Well, i got some samples of this and gave them a go. I really wanted this product to work, but in the end I'd say its a dud. I got virtually no pump, the energy was not very clean feeling, and I crashed about 2 hours after drinking it. I felt nothing from the ba. I was hoping for the best, but it just didnt cut it for me. It wasn't horrible, but not worth the money when you compare other options. It was def one of the worse pre-workout supps i have tried. I'll stick with my Primal N20 or. Gonna be logging a few days worth of R4W v2 next though. On a side note, this stuff smelled and tasted good, but didn't .