well curiosity got to me so i decided to give these a shot. used and loved the originals so i had some high hopes for these.
first the good 1-andro i'm finding quite effective not as strong as the original but i'd say 600 mgs is about the same as 400-500 mgs of 1ad. been getting great strength and size gains but like the original libido is down the tube. i can tell the difference my self looking in the mirror and have been getting comments at work people saying i look bigger.
now the bad 4ad i consider a bust. the only thing i noticed was increased water retention and lots of it now increase in aggression no positive effect on libido even went up to 8 caps a day 1600mgs. now maybe if they threw the atd out some positive benefits could be felt but i dunno. i felt better results using eform and dhea then this stuff.
needless to say ive discontinued the 4ad and replaced it with andro extreme-d (adrenosterone) so when i complete my cycle i will give up dates on adreno/1ad.
other notes diet has been mainly clean except for going out a couple times a week ie steak, chinese food but around 750+ a day on average.