The best product ive ever used. I feel like an animal in the gym, lost some unwanted "flab"
did you take any liver protector or a PCT
Actually, im on my second week, up to 4 capsules a day, and i dont know whats in this stuff but i think its more than epthio!!! Hahahaha!!
I will probably just get on some Trib like when im through.
You do not know what is in it, and you take it? You do not know what PCT you are suppose to have? AWESOME!
it was a comment, don't take it literally. Im just really impressed with whats its done for me in only two weeks. Of course i know whats in it.....you guys need to relax!
I've wasted plent of $$$ on sh.t that hasn't paid any dividends, im sure you guys can relate
Do you have a pct besides trib lined up you claim you know about it but most on the 2nd week of the cycle do not take 40mg unless they have multiple cycles already i ran Havoc for a 1st cycle and ran support supps ryr,milk this, Haw berr and Liverlonger during the cycle and ran it 10/20/30/40.
I noticed shedding at 40mg and your running 40md 2nd week not to sure that is wise and i also had a SERM, natty test booster and cortisol blocker for pct but you do not mention any of these things. Also from what i can tell you have no other cycle exp. listen to these guys they know what they are talking about i understand that you get your hands on something like Epi and you cannot wait to get started but it really is better to wait till you have gathered the knowledge and ALL the needed supps to go along with it.
Yes it is Thanksgiving and you may feel great now but if you continue to do what your doing your Christmas may not be so merry take care and happy holidays
Thanks for the insight bro!!!
I pulsed Epi myself. 3-4 caps/day four days a week (only on work out days)
I had no shutdown, no cramps or back pumps, no acne, no sides PERIOD. Used no liver protectant but I took my fish oils, ALA, and multi vitamin.
So, if ya want to feel a helluva lot better and not have to think about the sides, start pulsing now . . when pulsing, the extra support - RYR, hawthorn berry, etc - isn't a must.
I ran mine ED, and actually ran it nearly 6 weeks (5 1/2 weeks actually) so I could dose it 10mg/day for 3-4 days so I could see what it was going to do. Ran 4 more weeks at 20mg/day, 30mg/day, 40mg/day, 40mg/day. I can say I made my greatest gains at 30mg/day in both size and strength.
In my case, I didn't have much noticable shut down, but some. Finishing up my post cycle therapy in the next 2 weeks, taking a couple months off and doing it again, except staying at 30mg/day for weeks 3-6.
Its an awesome product (probably the best I've ever taken in the last 13 years) but you still have to take precautions.
I will be giving Havoc a real go in January myself, @ 30-40mg/day for 4 weeks. Wondering what Epi's 'FULL EFFECTS' really would be on my body .. And when that time comes, I'll be adding in the aforementioned liver/BP/Cholestorol supps, as I'm running it [Havoc] at optimum dosage, and not *****-footing around . . haha
Ive heard others mention the 30mg vs 40mg dosages as well.
Good luck with your run!
I am pulsing Epistane with POST Cycle Support and Cycle Support throughout and am loving it.
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I think you will enjoy the Havoc with all the support sups and pct no sides to speak of except slight shredding last week at 40mg nothing big. And you have previous cycle exp you probally will not have any problems at that dose and if that is your avatar you look great bro keep up the good work.
I have a bottle of m-drol and h-drol i will run 1 or the other in April 08 leaning to the h-drol as it tends to be milder along the same lines as Havoc/epi. The m-drol scares me i keep seeing posts that with even very good support supps and pct the sides can be nasty and still some get gyno even with the proper pct but i will research it more.
I gain 9lbs in my 4 week Havoc cycle at 10-20-30-40 and just finishing 3rd week pct nolva 40-30-20-10 diesel test 2 tabs 3 times a day and retain 2 1 tab 3 times a day. I have kept 7 lbs and my strength went up nice not awesome but very noticable have kept all the strength gains and only lost 2 lbs some all in all was very pleased with it good luck bro
Guys, I am just wondering, how do you determine 30 mgs when one capsule is 20 mg, so do you break it into half ???
BTW, you don't need serm for epistane cycle except if you start at 40 mg for the whole cycle. The first cycle will not be the same as the second cycle so don't expect the same gains always.
All the epi/Havoc i know of comes in 10mg per tab not 20mg there maybe a clone out there that is 20mg but i do not know of one as far as i can tell it comes 90 tabs at 10mg per tab