Celc5's NutraPlanet Ultimate NHA Stack (plus some leftovers) and HST Training

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  1. Cool Celc5's NutraPlanet Ultimate NHA Stack (plus some leftovers) and HST Training


    Final Review is Post #2

    Log Plan Summary

    Days 1-30
    4 Caps Activate Extreme
    2 Caps "old" Activate
    4 Caps Alpha Drive XL
    6 pumps Eform/day
    4 Caps Lean Extreme
    4 Caps RPM Preworkout

    Day 31-45
    6 Caps Activate Extreme
    10 pumps Eform
    3 Caps Reduce XT
    4 Caps RPM Preworkout

    Training

    HST as adviced by Sfearl1 and thesinner. Time under tension with progressive load philosophies will be followed. Emphasis was on rehabilitating a mild low back muscle strain while maintaining mass and losing fat.

    Diet

    -40/40/20 macro ratio
    -Approximately 250/250/50

    Stats

    .............weight.....bf%... ....LBM.........fat
    Day 1.....199.8.......17.07.....16 5.86.....34.14
    Day 45....197.8.......16.15.....16 4.48.....33.32

    Significant Events

    Week 1
    Positive: Enhanced Libido
    Negative: Nose Bleeds

    Week 2
    +: Extended Pumps, mild hardening, mild leaning appearance
    -: Mild facial acne, mild bacne

    Week 3
    Positive and negatives same as week 2 but more pronounced

    Week 4
    +: added 1/4 inch to arms, increased vascularity, continued previous positive aspects
    -: drop in libido

    Week 5
    +: subjective positives continue
    -: unpredicatable libido, recomp effect plateaus

    Week 6
    +: subjective positives continue, increased hardness overall, libido returns
    -: body comp plateau


  2. Supplement Reviews

    Alpha Drive XL
    This is my second negative experience with ADED products. I do not believe this has any positive effects and it may be associated with negative effect on libido.

    Activate Extreme
    May have contributed to pumps, hardness, and vascularity. I believe this to be a mediocre supplement at best

    Lean Extreme and Reduce XT
    I believe that both were equally effective in fending off a bit of body fat. I would like to try one of these 7oxo products again in the future.

    Eform
    Anyone who knows me knows that I like this supplement.

    RPM
    This is an excellent BEGINNER stim. I seem to be hit or miss with stims and preworkout mixes, so this was a pleasant surprise. Those more experienced with stims might not get an aggressive kick that they are looking for. I personally thought that RPM effective. I give it a thumbsup.

    HST Training Review

    The goal of continued weight training without aggravating a mild back injury was very successful. The planned progressive load theory ensured back safety and a psychologically successful workout every time.

    Full body routines are mentally challenging, especially if you are accustomed to long rest periods between sets. The repetition of the same routine got boring during the 5's week. The pump and hardness rewards during 15s and 10s was more than worth it.

    If I ran HST a second time, I would make 2 changes:

    1) I would strictly run 3 full body routines. I would NOT split into push/pull or upper/lower at any time.

    2) I would run 16s, 12s, and 8s. 4 weeks of 5s was unproductive IMO. Also, when the weights get heavy in the 5's, it requires more warm up sets for compound moves. You can't just throw 300 or 350 pounds on your back for squats without several warm up sets. This is innefficient time management in a routine which demands efficiency for success.

    "Final Review"

    If I ran this stack a second time, I would drop the Alpha Drive XL and Activate Extreme. I would run either Lean Extreme or Reduce XT at 3 caps per day with 200mg/day TD formestane. I believe RPM has it's place and was effective for me personally.

    I believe some of the body comp plateau came after the transition from 10's to 5's (repetition range) during the HST routine. This may have skewed what could have been more positive gains during the final 3-4 weeks of this stack.

    Although my objective body comp results are less than spectacular, I believe I look much leaner than the skinfolds indicate. I've also gotten many compliments, especially on my arms since running this stack. This hasn't happened since I ran my halo cycle in august.

    My plan is to preload and then run AX Pheraplex in January. I'll use my own high volume split during the preload and cycle. I will run HST for post cycle with 16/12/8 microcycles as mentioned above.
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  3. Are you doing the full body training each session or splitting upper/lower? Time off with HST is called deconditioning....its my favorite part of HST, lol.

  4. Subbed, I plan on getting this stack when my money permits.

  5. Day 5

    Tuesday, November 13

    Postive:
    I'm noticing some hardening up overall. Pumps in the gym are lasting several hours after workouts. I credit the pumps to the supplements and the frequency of the full body workouts.

    Negative:
    So far ADED is 2 for 2 in giving me spontaneous nose bleeds. I had nose bleeds last summer on Jungle Warfare and again with Alpha Drive XL. I've tried all the other supplements in my stack and they are not the culprit. I'll ride this out because I don't see it as that big of a deal.
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  6. Travis, I'm doing the full body workouts 2 times per week with a random day on Saturdays with a training partner. This full body routine is a welcome change because I don't think I've EVER used full body routines before. Very unimpressive lineup in my split:

    Squat
    SLDL
    BB Row
    Pullups
    Flat Bench
    Lateral Raise
    BB Shrugs
    BB Curl
    Nose Breakers
    Calves, abs, random delts etc etc when time permits.
    ... I can hear the yawns from here

    UNC, by the time I'm done with this stack, you'll know for sure if it prodcues results. I'm looking for a recomp effect.

  7. Interesting... SuBBeD!

  8. Nice. HST is a great routine. If I didn't hate it so much, I'd definitely do it more frequently. (When saying I hate it, I mean the monotony and 3x per week was too much on my lower body with cardio on off days).

    You are definitely going to get some great results. HST is VERY effective.

  9. Matt, thanks for joining the fun.

    Thesinner, you KNEW I was gonna try it eventually. Rep schemes are closer to 15's and 12's at this point. The heavy stuff is gonna come gradually due cautiously protecting the muscle strain.

  10. Its easy to overtrain with imo....sorta what sinner alluded too. I did love it on a cut..which was odd since its a mass building routine.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Matt, thanks for joining the fun.

    Thesinner, you KNEW I was gonna try it eventually. Rep schemes are closer to 15's and 12's at this point. The heavy stuff is gonna come gradually due cautiously protecting the muscle strain.
    The higher reps phase is important. It teaches your body to better handle lactic acid as well as "re-wires" you, which will drive into a greater hypertrophic response as you while you're progressive loading at the higher weights (lower reps).

    This is an important aspect of HST, which (although I've 'tweaked' it a lil') I still use in my routine.

  12. the leanextreme proved to be better than i expected, anything over two caps a day and my joints were crying. i ran the activate extreme at 6 caps a day and had decent recomp effect, but damn i went through that bottle fast. good luck celc, tough break with the back. btw i liked the extreme better than mass fx, just my opinion.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID
  13. Thumbs up


    I'll keep that in mind with the Lean Extreme. If any joint issue pop up, I'll consider lowering the dosage for sure. Thanks for the advice.

    I thought the divanil only version of Activate was more effective than Mfx so I expect the ActEx to be at least as effective. I like it so far.

    The party starts when BigT is in the house

  14. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    I'll keep that in mind with the Lean Extreme. If any joint issue pop up, I'll consider lowering the dosage for sure. Thanks for the advice.

    I thought the divanil only version of Activate was more effective than Mfx so I expect the ActEx to be at least as effective. I like it so far.

    The party starts when BigT is in the house
    I've used LX 2.0 up to 5 caps a day. Didnt notice any dry joints so seems really user dependent. I thought D recommended double dosing it....cant recall exactly though.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    I've used LX 2.0 up to 5 caps a day. Didnt notice any dry joints so seems really user dependent. I thought D recommended double dosing it....cant recall exactly though.
    I do morning, 4 hours later, pre workout, before bed, and I also have no joint issues.

    I never dose 2 at a time though...

  16. Quote Originally Posted by nelix View Post
    I do morning, 4 hours later, pre workout, before bed, and I also have no joint issues.

    I never dose 2 at a time though...
    i dont consider it a bad thing, at 2 caps ed it lasts alot longer. most stuff i have to double dose, so lean extreme gets a thumbs up.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  17. Thanks for the feedback fellas

    Travis, I've heard similar suggestions but moreso in terms of Retain2 being significantly underdosed. I can't remember where I read that though.

    Nelix, that's pretty close to how I'm dosing the 3 primary supps in the stack. Morning and then every 4 hours.

    BigT, I seem to be hit or miss with the joint issues. If you remember, 6oxo WRECKED my joints (otherwise an AWESOME supplement). I don't think any supps have contributed to joint issues since then. Although, I've never steadily dosed 7OH so I'll be careful for sure.

  18. Retain is slightly underdosed - I usually buy a bottle of Relora by NOW Foods and take with it. Or just take the Relora, it's cheap and effective.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Thanks for the feedback fellas

    Travis, I've heard similar suggestions but moreso in terms of Retain2 being significantly underdosed. I can't remember where I read that though.

    Nelix, that's pretty close to how I'm dosing the 3 primary supps in the stack. Morning and then every 4 hours.

    BigT, I seem to be hit or miss with the joint issues. If you remember, 6oxo WRECKED my joints (otherwise an AWESOME supplement). I don't think any supps have contributed to joint issues since then. Although, I've never steadily dosed 7OH so I'll be careful for sure.
    i really like the lean extreme, nice firming effect. its nice for me to find a supp thats effective at or below recommended dose. everyones different but it works well for me at a low dose. good luck celc.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  20. well lookie lookie...subbed, looking for tweaks to my own stack. I substituted Retain2 so that I can save the LX for another PH cycle PCT
  21. Thumbs up


    NasD, crazy coincidence that you pm'd me about this stack- Welcome bro

    Thesinner and Travis, I believe the overtraining issue with HST has to deal with our habits of training to failure. Progressive load negates the need to train to failure all the time. So in the first week of 10's and 5's, you're still making gains along the progressive load theory without burning out your CNS and feeling overtrained.

    Day 7

    Nice lift today, but split things up to do just push moves as time was limited.

    The RPM takes a bit longer to kick in than stims that I am accustomed to. 4 caps takes about 1 hour and 15 minutes to kick in, even on an empty stomach. It gave me good energy today but there is no enhanced mood when compared to my standard for ideal preworkout- TRAC Extreme NO.

    IF I worked out in the morning, I'd dose 6 caps RPM preworkout. Problem is, I work out around 5ish and it interfered with sleep 2 nights ago on 5 caps.

    Libido is off the charts. I have to admit that I hooked up with an ex last night. I made it clear that no phone calls or "drop ins" are allowed Anyway, performance, stamina, and size were all enhanced without a doubt. I'll dub this the rockstar stack if it continues in this direction

  22. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    NasD, crazy coincidence that you pm'd me about this stack- Welcome bro

    Thesinner and Travis, I believe the overtraining issue with HST has to deal with our habits of training to failure. Progressive load negates the need to train to failure all the time. So in the first week of 10's and 5's, you're still making gains along the progressive load theory without burning out your CNS and feeling overtrained.

    Day 7

    Nice lift today, but split things up to do just push moves as time was limited.

    The RPM takes a bit longer to kick in than stims that I am accustomed to. 4 caps takes about 1 hour and 15 minutes to kick in, even on an empty stomach. It gave me good energy today but there is no enhanced mood when compared to my standard for ideal preworkout- TRAC Extreme NO.

    IF I worked out in the morning, I'd dose 6 caps RPM preworkout. Problem is, I work out around 5ish and it interfered with sleep 2 nights ago on 5 caps.

    Libido is off the charts. I have to admit that I hooked up with an ex last night. I made it clear that no phone calls or "drop ins" are allowed Anyway, performance, stamina, and size were all enhanced without a doubt. I'll dub this the rockstar stack if it continues in this direction
    notice how sex with an ex is always better than it was before they were an ex. btw try dumping 2or3 rpm in flavored drink and chugging, tastes like crap but it works much faster.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  23. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    notice how sex with an ex is always better than it was before they were an ex. btw try dumping 2or3 rpm in flavored drink and chugging, tastes like crap but it works much faster.
    T, you got that right... ex's will do crazy things in crazy places!

    Day 8

    I'm tweaking my HST a bit here and there. I have to admit, I do find this style of training to be fun. The planning and organization matches my personality quite well. Truth be told, if I would have just looked at it at face value, I would disregard it as BS.

    Today was pull day since I split the routine yesterday. Nothing spectacular to note. Although I'm feeling a bit harder and I'm getting the heralded HST muscle twitches in weird places like triceps and calves.

    Initial stats updated in post #2.

  24. you holding gains youmade on h-drol? you should be getting bulked up, this stack should lean you out some.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  25. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you holding gains youmade on h-drol? you should be getting bulked up, this stack should lean you out some.
    I held my H-drol gains for about 6 weeks. After post cycle, I switched to Max OT and broke PR's in just about all of my lifts. However, several factors contributed to poor body comp effects including low volume on MaxOT, creatine/sugar bloat, and the back injury. Yes, this stack is leaning me out rather quickly and I'm looking forward to the Phera run after the New Year.

    Day 11

    Monday, November 19

    Supplements: Pumps in the gym are good, libido and sexual performance are enhanced (bagged a REALLY good one yesterday after the pathetic Steeler game), and the puffy/soft feeling (body comp wise) that I've had is fading steadily.

    Edit: I have 4 zits on the face and some mild bacne. I'm skeptical of that there would be any androgenic effect with this stack. Weird thing is, I'm NOT succecptable to breakouts. Maybe 1 zit every 6 months and to have 4 is unhear of.

    HST: I'm starting to realize that every workout is planned so that you will have a successful lift. That makes it easy to be psychologically excited for the day's lift. I recommend this routine for those who are in a rut and max power is not concern.

    Most joints are holding up nicely except for the hands. The frequency of the "pull" lifts which require grip and the everyday tasks of my job are difficult on the fingers. Not sure if this will become problematic or not at this point.

  26. the leaning out is what i liked best about this stack. the libido and mood enhance aint bad either.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  27. hell ya brother! Kick some ass mang. I like this setup/stack dude..

  28. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    hell ya brother! Kick some ass mang. I like this setup/stack dude..
    oh heck, that darned ra is back .lol,jk. where ya been hiding?
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  29. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    oh heck, that darned ra is back .lol,jk. where ya been hiding?
    He's been stuck under a fat chic

    ...although, I'd settle for one of those cause I struck out like 3 times this week. I guess I'm streaky and can't win em all.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    He's been stuck under a fat chic

    ...although, I'd settle for one of those cause I struck out like 3 times this week. I guess I'm streaky and can't win em all.
    one out of four, your batting as good as a-rod and that sob gets 32 mill, who said life was fair?
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID
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