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    3rd day into pct, went to workout today and gains are still coming, was able to lift personal best today on bench

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    im sort of disappointed in the torem, and nha stack so far. people claim that there balls and libido comes back quickly and i'm not getting that same revitalizing/dramatic feeling.

    4 days of 120mg, 2 days so far of 90 (1.8ml)
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    im sort of disappointed in the torem, and nha stack so far. people claim that there balls and libido comes back quickly and i'm not getting that same revitalizing/dramatic feeling.

    4 days of 120mg, 2 days so far of 90 (1.8ml)
    I don't understand this, I come back so fast my balls hurt from growing in about 3 days. Libido problems can be from starting NHA too fast and getting estrogen too low.

    I think you should list out all the things you are currently taking and doses. Hopefully no Soy products.

    I also don't understand how 1.8 ml = 90 mg. I don't know anyone selling it at 50 mg per ml.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    I don't understand this, I come back so fast my balls hurt from growing in about 3 days. Libido problems can be from starting NHA too fast and getting estrogen too low.

    I think you should list out all the things you are currently taking and doses. Hopefully no Soy products.

    I also don't understand how 1.8 ml = 90 mg. I don't know anyone selling it at 50 mg per ml.
    thanks for replying werewolf,

    pct so far:
    4 pills of activate xtreme spread out through out the day
    4 pills of lean xtreme spread out through out the day
    1 pill of novedex xt at night
    liquid torem/fareston in the morning, i can't mention where i got this stuff for my experiment but these research "guys" are popular on other bodybuilding boards so i presume its legit. the bottle is 30 ml @ 50mg/ml so if i need 120 for first couple of days it would be 120/50 = 2.4 ml, and then 90 would be 90/50 = 1.8ml, am i correct in doing it this way, it is liquid so thats the only way to measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    thanks for replying werewolf,

    post cycle therapy so far:
    4 pills of activate xtreme spread out through out the day
    4 pills of lean xtreme spread out through out the day
    1 pill of novedex xt at night
    liquid torem/fareston in the morning, i can't mention where i got this stuff for my experiment but these research "guys" are popular on other bodybuilding boards so i presume its legit. the bottle is 30 ml @ 50mg/ml so if i need 120 for first couple of days it would be 120/50 = 2.4 ml, and then 90 would be 90/50 = 1.8ml, am i correct in doing it this way, it is liquid so thats the only way to measure.
    I think you should up your dose novedex XT to 3 or 4 because it isn't clear that your toremifene is good. I'm unformilar with who ever you got your toremifene from. The activate xtreme should be raising your test levels too. Are you starting to feel recovered yet?
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    Did you actually get any shrinkage during cycle? or are you more talking about just libido effects? Cause actually taking novedex xt can lower libido.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    thanks for replying werewolf,

    post cycle therapy so far:
    4 pills of activate xtreme spread out through out the day
    4 pills of lean xtreme spread out through out the day
    1 pill of novedex xt at night
    liquid torem/fareston in the morning, i can't mention where i got this stuff for my experiment but these research "guys" are popular on other bodybuilding boards so i presume its legit. the bottle is 30 ml @ 50mg/ml so if i need 120 for first couple of days it would be 120/50 = 2.4 ml, and then 90 would be 90/50 = 1.8ml, am i correct in doing it this way, it is liquid so thats the only way to measure.
    The Torem is legit so you shouldn't be worried bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    The Torem is legit so you shouldn't be worried bro.
    You are certainly not getting anywhere near the same effect I got from my torem. It was 60 ml bottle at 60 mg / ml. I have gone through a bottle and a half already. It kicked in hard every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    You are certainly not getting anywhere near the same effect I got from my torem. It was 60 ml bottle at 60 mg / ml. I have gone through a bottle and a half already. It kicked in hard every time.
    I just know the company that he bought the Torem from to be trustworthy. I think it is highly unlikely that he got a bad batch...but still possible.
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    thanks for the replies guys;

    botch,
    i think you know where i got it from and the place has good reviews but i guess you never can be ultimately certain, i even tried downing it today without orange juice, and i felt like i was going to throw up that stuff was putred. im going to keep taking it with the oj.

    werewolf,
    wouldn't taking two novedex xt at night instead of the one cause more libido loss?

    easyejl,

    yeah in the end the balls kind of turned into walnuts. and libido went away, an example of this would be i need to have sex or if my girl can't provide it i need to take care of business myself everyday pretty much before the cycle. now it seems like its been two weeks since i had either and whats troubling is that i don't really have the desire too.


    UPDATE for today:
    well not sure about the balls returning to normal, but at least I was checking out some girls today, which i had no inclination to do prior. maybe i just need to finish off all the torem, first four day were at around 120, the last 4 days have been at 90, ill probably continue at 90 up until the 14th day. i know everyone loves this stuff so maybe i was expecting too much, although i remember when i did 6oxo extreme the volume in my testicles definitely was bigger then.
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    something is beginning to work because ance has appeared nicely wtf, i think that stuff in activate xtreme is not good for me i took mass fx once with that **** and samething happened
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    Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    I just know the company that he bought the Torem from to be trustworthy. I think it is highly unlikely that he got a bad batch...but still possible.
    Yep they are. His stuff should be fine. Werewolf's 60mg/ml 60 ml place is for sure top quality though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    something is beginning to work because ance has appeared nicely wtf, i think that stuff in activate xtreme is not good for me i took mass fx once with that **** and samething happened
    Its too soon to be taking Nettle Root. You should wait until testosterone levels have come back before you move into a NHA stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    Its too soon to be taking Nettle Root. You should wait until testosterone levels have come back before you move into a NHA stack.
    Activate Extreme has testosterone boosters, not just nettle root so it can be started early and get benefit. It is different than original ActivaTe. Besides if acne is showing up then Test is back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    something is beginning to work because ance has appeared nicely wtf, i think that stuff in activate xtreme is not good for me i took mass fx once with that **** and samething happened
    Things that help with Acne:
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    2 ounce shot of lemon juice
    up to 5 grams of B-5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    Things that help with Acne:
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    2 ounce shot of lemon juice
    up to 5 grams of B-5
    thanks werewolf,

    little update for myself
    120mg torem - 4 days
    90mg torem - 6 days
    60mg torem - 1 day (today in the morning)

    i have a question on the first day i opened the bottle and went to grab something and brushed my elbow against the bottle tipping it over some spilled out and i'm kind of running low. should i just finish of the last couple of days with 60mg or is it better to lower the dosage to 30mg and extend the usage?

    thanks
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    tough call. how are you feeling libido wise? I would lean towards thinking lowering the dose is probably better overall
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    tough call. how are you feeling libido wise? I would lean towards thinking lowering the dose is probably better overall
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    If you are going to take cycle support take it at least 4 hours from when you dose your last oral.

    Wait what? Not trying to hijack here, but can you elaborate on this? I purchased some Cycle support for my future 1st cycle I am considering running, but would like to make sure it is not going to render my anabolics less effective
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    I have never used novedex xt so I don't know best way to use it. So you need to guess how it relates to what you are doing, but here some info that may help.

    Doing a NHA cycle with original ActivaTe I would taper in one ATD at 4 day of post cycle therapy for 4 to 7 days then add 1 Rebound Reloaded for another 4 days, then add second ATD. This worked for me to keep libido from being effected from ATD and getting maximum test levels without dropping estrogen too low.

    When I did this with ActivaTe extreme (new), it pushed my estrogen levels too low so backed off to just 2 ATDs. I can tolerate 50 mgs of ATD without libido issues as long as I taper in, some people can not. The ActivaTe Extreme has its own estrogen lowering and test raising ingredients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    I have never used novedex xt so I don't know best way to use it. So you need to guess how it relates to what you are doing, but here some info that may help.

    Doing a NHA cycle with original ActivaTe I would taper in one ATD at 4 day of post cycle therapy for 4 to 7 days then add 1 Rebound Reloaded for another 4 days, then add second ATD. This worked for me to keep libido from being effected from ATD and getting maximum test levels without dropping estrogen too low.

    When I did this with ActivaTe extreme (new), it pushed my estrogen levels too low so backed off to just 2 ATDs. I can tolerate 50 mgs of ATD without libido issues as long as I taper in, some people can not. The ActivaTe Extreme has its own estrogen lowering and test raising ingredients.
    im just keeping the novedex xt which basically atd to one pill a day, supposedly it has 25mg per pill plus some other proprietary blend in it. i just wish i hadn't spilled some of that torem.
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    do you still have the bottle of m-drol handy? Gixxer82 thinks he may have gotten a bad bottle, and was wondering if you could compare log #s
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    do you still have the bottle of m-drol handy? Gixxer82 thinks he may have gotten a bad bottle, and was wondering if you could compare log #s
    ill see if i can help, he seems pretty aggravated
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    ill see if i can help, he seems pretty aggravated
    Gixx's situation was handled. I am not sure exactly what was goin on but i hadanother AM member contact me about his batch also. I never heard back about any of the COAs on anything. I am on day 4 of a regular cycle and hoping things begine to pick up in week 2 like many say they do.
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    I can't imagine not getting the lethargy taking 20mg together tho, when I did some short term pulsing, 10mg wasn't very noticeable, but 20mg preworkout had me ready for a nap post workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCasino View Post
    Wait what? Not trying to hijack here, but can you elaborate on this? I purchased some Cycle support for my future 1st cycle I am considering running, but would like to make sure it is not going to render my anabolics less effective
    Cycle Support is a great product. The further away you dose your Cycle Support from your orals the more time your liver has to clear the orals from your system before your liver supplements do their thing. So, just stagger your dose and you'll be fine. We all pay the price of diminishing gains by using liver supps on cycle. To what extent are the gains diminished? I do not know the answer to that, but if you're running a straight cycle its not worth it to put your health in jeopardy for a little more muscle. However, if you're running a pulse then feel free to save your cycle support for another cycle and just pick up some ancillaries without liver support for this one.
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    does anyone know how long i have to be on designer activate xtreme for my pct, its about two weeks now that im into it and been using the stuff. if i knew it had divanil in it which is the same stuff found in massfx i wouldn't have bought it, i know this is not a steroid but this thing makes me shed hair, its insane. i had the same thing happen with massfx, i know im not crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    does anyone know how long i have to be on designer activate xtreme for my post cycle therapy, its about two weeks now that im into it and been using the stuff. if i knew it had divanil in it which is the same stuff found in massfx i wouldn't have bought it, i know this is not a steroid but this thing makes me shed hair, its insane. i had the same thing happen with massfx, i know im not crazy.
    The increased amount of free test is now available for the body to do whatever it wants including conversion into other hormones such as your nemesis DHT and the possible hairloss contributer estrogen.

    You don't have to use Activate in PCT bro. In fact most that use it really enjoy it...but as a way to keep growing or feeling good after PCT. If it is a negative to you just drop it.
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    just a little update


    torem 4 days at 120mg, 5 days 90mg, 3 days at 60mg, 4 days at 30mg and ill probably take it for another 3 days at 30mgs, i think this is enough for pct i only took the mdrol 10x at 20mg during the 3 week pulse, honestly the last week when i took it (4x that week) is when i felt shutdown. does anyone think i need more torem for this cycle, if it wasn't for me spilling some i would just take for 4 weeks but i don't have enough.

    final results i gained weight, and strength returned to where it use to be. the biggest difference is lats, its like there is a new set of muscles on top of the lats giving me a better v shape look. just so everyone knows its not very dramatic but theres a difference.

    libido seems to be back
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    cool deal! you should be fine with that for pct for a pulse.
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