Rat Poison Pulse, aka Mini-CEL M-Drol Log

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    Sounds like a solid post cycle therapy.

    Me, I like to launch straight into a NHA cycle and grow my balls to the size of grapefruits.
    nice, i actually do have some activate xtreme lying around, which i might toss in as well


  2. ok switched my routine, going to work out 4 times a week now.
    this is my second day taking 20mg, for week 3, strength has gone up a little bit and might have felt back pumps just a little bit.

    joints are a bit sore, but nothing out the ordinary, because i did increase the reps on a few sets.
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  3. current weight: 200lbs, might cut back the calories, eating 3k im putting on weight quickly, no aerobic exercise except for some ab work

  4. yeah, good idea, that has to be a bit of fluff besides muscle

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yeah, good idea, that has to be a bit of fluff besides muscle

    in the beginning felt good now some of it is becoming soft. everyone kept warning me you have to eat you have to eat, and i see some people bulking with 5000 calories which seems crazy to me. i gain weight easily and so i will cut back calories to around 2700 for the last two weeks.
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  6. yeah, i think its mostly important to have true maintenance cals figured out in advance, then figure weight goal. if you wanted to gain 8 lbs in 4 weeks, then 1000 over maintenance a day. Some guys do hit 5000 cal, but they have maintenance of 3500+

  7. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yeah, i think its mostly important to have true maintenance cals figured out in advance, then figure weight goal. if you wanted to gain 8 lbs in 4 weeks, then 1000 over maintenance a day. Some guys do hit 5000 cal, but they have maintenance of 3500+
    yup, my maintenance was 2200-2350, so i upped it to 3100 calories on this, but im still putting on extra weight

  8. how does mirror test show ? does it feel like its fat? loosing definition?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    how does mirror test show ? does it feel like its fat? loosing definition?
    kind of in the beginning it felt pretty solid, now im beginning to see love handles developing, im going to cut back on the calories, i'm 11lbs up all my lifts have gone up, im going to cut back on the calories try to get more lean gains out of this

  10. ok yesterday was the last day so i did 3 weeks gained 11lbs was going to do one more week but i don't want to push my luck, so started torem, lean xtreme, and activate xtreme today.

  11. 3rd day into pct, went to workout today and gains are still coming, was able to lift personal best today on bench

  12. nice!

  13. im sort of disappointed in the torem, and nha stack so far. people claim that there balls and libido comes back quickly and i'm not getting that same revitalizing/dramatic feeling.

    4 days of 120mg, 2 days so far of 90 (1.8ml)

  14. Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    im sort of disappointed in the torem, and nha stack so far. people claim that there balls and libido comes back quickly and i'm not getting that same revitalizing/dramatic feeling.

    4 days of 120mg, 2 days so far of 90 (1.8ml)
    I don't understand this, I come back so fast my balls hurt from growing in about 3 days. Libido problems can be from starting NHA too fast and getting estrogen too low.

    I think you should list out all the things you are currently taking and doses. Hopefully no Soy products.

    I also don't understand how 1.8 ml = 90 mg. I don't know anyone selling it at 50 mg per ml.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    I don't understand this, I come back so fast my balls hurt from growing in about 3 days. Libido problems can be from starting NHA too fast and getting estrogen too low.

    I think you should list out all the things you are currently taking and doses. Hopefully no Soy products.

    I also don't understand how 1.8 ml = 90 mg. I don't know anyone selling it at 50 mg per ml.
    thanks for replying werewolf,

    pct so far:
    4 pills of activate xtreme spread out through out the day
    4 pills of lean xtreme spread out through out the day
    1 pill of novedex xt at night
    liquid torem/fareston in the morning, i can't mention where i got this stuff for my experiment but these research "guys" are popular on other bodybuilding boards so i presume its legit. the bottle is 30 ml @ 50mg/ml so if i need 120 for first couple of days it would be 120/50 = 2.4 ml, and then 90 would be 90/50 = 1.8ml, am i correct in doing it this way, it is liquid so thats the only way to measure.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    thanks for replying werewolf,

    post cycle therapy so far:
    4 pills of activate xtreme spread out through out the day
    4 pills of lean xtreme spread out through out the day
    1 pill of novedex xt at night
    liquid torem/fareston in the morning, i can't mention where i got this stuff for my experiment but these research "guys" are popular on other bodybuilding boards so i presume its legit. the bottle is 30 ml @ 50mg/ml so if i need 120 for first couple of days it would be 120/50 = 2.4 ml, and then 90 would be 90/50 = 1.8ml, am i correct in doing it this way, it is liquid so thats the only way to measure.
    I think you should up your dose novedex XT to 3 or 4 because it isn't clear that your toremifene is good. I'm unformilar with who ever you got your toremifene from. The activate xtreme should be raising your test levels too. Are you starting to feel recovered yet?

  17. Did you actually get any shrinkage during cycle? or are you more talking about just libido effects? Cause actually taking novedex xt can lower libido.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    thanks for replying werewolf,

    post cycle therapy so far:
    4 pills of activate xtreme spread out through out the day
    4 pills of lean xtreme spread out through out the day
    1 pill of novedex xt at night
    liquid torem/fareston in the morning, i can't mention where i got this stuff for my experiment but these research "guys" are popular on other bodybuilding boards so i presume its legit. the bottle is 30 ml @ 50mg/ml so if i need 120 for first couple of days it would be 120/50 = 2.4 ml, and then 90 would be 90/50 = 1.8ml, am i correct in doing it this way, it is liquid so thats the only way to measure.
    The Torem is legit so you shouldn't be worried bro.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    The Torem is legit so you shouldn't be worried bro.
    You are certainly not getting anywhere near the same effect I got from my torem. It was 60 ml bottle at 60 mg / ml. I have gone through a bottle and a half already. It kicked in hard every time.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    You are certainly not getting anywhere near the same effect I got from my torem. It was 60 ml bottle at 60 mg / ml. I have gone through a bottle and a half already. It kicked in hard every time.
    I just know the company that he bought the Torem from to be trustworthy. I think it is highly unlikely that he got a bad batch...but still possible.

  21. thanks for the replies guys;

    botch,
    i think you know where i got it from and the place has good reviews but i guess you never can be ultimately certain, i even tried downing it today without orange juice, and i felt like i was going to throw up that stuff was putred. im going to keep taking it with the oj.

    werewolf,
    wouldn't taking two novedex xt at night instead of the one cause more libido loss?

    easyejl,

    yeah in the end the balls kind of turned into walnuts. and libido went away, an example of this would be i need to have sex or if my girl can't provide it i need to take care of business myself everyday pretty much before the cycle. now it seems like its been two weeks since i had either and whats troubling is that i don't really have the desire too.


    UPDATE for today:
    well not sure about the balls returning to normal, but at least I was checking out some girls today, which i had no inclination to do prior. maybe i just need to finish off all the torem, first four day were at around 120, the last 4 days have been at 90, ill probably continue at 90 up until the 14th day. i know everyone loves this stuff so maybe i was expecting too much, although i remember when i did 6oxo extreme the volume in my testicles definitely was bigger then.

  22. something is beginning to work because ance has appeared nicely wtf, i think that stuff in activate xtreme is not good for me i took mass fx once with that **** and samething happened

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    I just know the company that he bought the Torem from to be trustworthy. I think it is highly unlikely that he got a bad batch...but still possible.
    Yep they are. His stuff should be fine. Werewolf's 60mg/ml 60 ml place is for sure top quality though.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    something is beginning to work because ance has appeared nicely wtf, i think that stuff in activate xtreme is not good for me i took mass fx once with that **** and samething happened
    Its too soon to be taking Nettle Root. You should wait until testosterone levels have come back before you move into a NHA stack.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    Its too soon to be taking Nettle Root. You should wait until testosterone levels have come back before you move into a NHA stack.
    Activate Extreme has testosterone boosters, not just nettle root so it can be started early and get benefit. It is different than original ActivaTe. Besides if acne is showing up then Test is back.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by StellaArtois View Post
    something is beginning to work because ance has appeared nicely wtf, i think that stuff in activate xtreme is not good for me i took mass fx once with that **** and samething happened
    Things that help with Acne:
    Guggulbolic
    2 ounce shot of lemon juice
    up to 5 grams of B-5

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    Things that help with Acne:
    Guggulbolic
    2 ounce shot of lemon juice
    up to 5 grams of B-5
    thanks werewolf,

    little update for myself
    120mg torem - 4 days
    90mg torem - 6 days
    60mg torem - 1 day (today in the morning)

    i have a question on the first day i opened the bottle and went to grab something and brushed my elbow against the bottle tipping it over some spilled out and i'm kind of running low. should i just finish of the last couple of days with 60mg or is it better to lower the dosage to 30mg and extend the usage?

    thanks

  28. tough call. how are you feeling libido wise? I would lean towards thinking lowering the dose is probably better overall

  29. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    tough call. how are you feeling libido wise? I would lean towards thinking lowering the dose is probably better overall
    I agree.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    If you are going to take cycle support take it at least 4 hours from when you dose your last oral.

    Wait what? Not trying to hijack here, but can you elaborate on this? I purchased some Cycle support for my future 1st cycle I am considering running, but would like to make sure it is not going to render my anabolics less effective
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