[justreading]

Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns

Needles huh.

Are you taking silence of the lambs/saw notes on how to torture each of us?

[Awful Knawful]

Originally Posted by justreading

Not in a million years if you paid me... id sooner take a bullet in the foot... just a phobia thing

LOL Yea I understand, I think Id need the guys credentials before I let him do it

[bman]

Only slept 3-4 hrs a night until I was 29 yrs old then I started having acupuncture. 4 treatments started to sleep 6 hrs a night. 8 treatments 7 hrs. 33 yrs old, now i sleep 8 hrs EZ. The needles are very small about the size of a human hair(36-40 gauge) not like an injection or getting blood(19 gauge) drawn at all.

[prld2gr8ns]

Originally Posted by justreading

Are you taking silence of the lambs/saw notes on how to torture each of us?

LOL, no just curious. But that was one of the most brutal scenes I've seen in a movie, when they tossed that chick into the pit.

[justreading]

Last night was a NO SLEEP AID night.

To be honest last night with no sleep aids was a better experience than Lean Dreams. Lean Dreams only had 2 potonetial benefits: I got VERY sleepy and felt like I could have gotten up in the middle of the night (which ended up sucking.)

On my night taking nothing I noticed that some of my sleep problems are less than they have been in recent memory but some still pursist. I was able to go to sleep at 1:30am but that is only because I got up at 7am the day before and got HORRIBLE sleep the night before as well. So while I got a good night sleep, getting to bed at 1:30am without any sleep aid isn't impressive because I was much more tired than normal. So the problem od my internal clock being off still is there when I do not take something. The positive feedback though is that I got a good night sleep. This could be due to some cumulative effect from abyss (could it?) or because my androgen levels are lower (cycling down) or because I am not eating carbs (this has been a major improvement to my quality of life)


My new job keeps getting pushed back so I think for real I will be starting Tues or Weds. Abyss is going to REALLY need to prove its worth and get my night owl ass to bed at 11pm. I have been doing everything I can to take abyss on nights where I really need to sleep and keep any tolerance issues at bay. I may be being over cautious on the tolerance thing but I have natural high adaptation to things like phenibut or alcohol or nearly any medicine for that matter.

[justreading]

Night 11

Well last night was great. I slept 7 hours through without even waking up to go the bathroom which never never never happens. I really wonder how long I would have slept if I didnt set an alarm which might have been bad because I woke up about to explode ha.

Last night I took 1 Lean Dreams with 4 ABYSS. I only have 1 Lean Dreams left guys so don't worry I won't to too far off subject for much longer.

The experience of Abyss was MUCH better than Lean dreams alone and from my research, my experience with Lean Dreams is much like what others have experienced.

If I had to rank all the the sleep substances I have used over the last few weeks.

1. Abyss
2. Melatonin
3. Nothing
4. Lean Dreams

[justreading]

I FORGOT ONE VERY IMPORTANT ADDITION:

When I would take RPM before this I could not get to sleep until 5am. Last night I got to bed at 12 easy and then slept 7 hours through.

[workin2005]

Originally Posted by justreading

I FORGOT ONE VERY IMPORTANT ADDITION:

When I would take RPM before this I could not get to sleep until 5am. Last night I got to bed at 12 easy and then slept 7 hours through.

Workin

[justreading]

UPDATES! UPDATES!

Alright so lets recap my feelings about abyss over the last 3-4 nights I have taken it:

Since starting ABYSS my sleep overall had been better which made me think, although brielfely, that it was not making a big difference but then I noticed a few things.

1. After ABYSS I felt much better the next day even after the same amount of sleep.

2. on abyss nights I had less dreams which is a great positive because of me dreams disturb my sleeping.

3. I WAS ABLE TO SLEEP AFTER RPM!!! - This is huuuuuge for me.

RPM is my life saver but was my life ender as well before ABYSS. Rpm is something I NEED to start the day and to enjoy working out. It has allowed me to do 15 reps with 100 pound dumbells on incline while coming OFF a looooooong cycle. Great right? nope, I could never sleep after it until abyss.

Overall so far I would say the effects have been great. At times the benefits are vague and hard to notice until you stop or take a step back.

[prld2gr8ns]

Originally Posted by justreading

UPDATES! UPDATES!

Alright so lets recap my feelings about abyss over the last 3-4 nights I have taken it:

Since starting ABYSS my sleep overall had been better which made me think, although brielfely, that it was not making a big difference but then I noticed a few things.

1. After ABYSS I felt much better the next day even after the same amount of sleep.

2. on abyss nights I had less dreams which is a great positive because of me dreams disturb my sleeping.

3. I WAS ABLE TO SLEEP AFTER RPM!!! - This is huuuuuge for me.

RPM is my life saver but was my life ender as well before ABYSS. Rpm is something I NEED to start the day and to enjoy working out. It has allowed me to do 15 reps with 100 pound dumbells on incline while coming OFF a looooooong cycle. Great right? nope, I could never sleep after it until abyss.

Overall so far I would say the effects have been great. At times the benefits are vague and hard to notice until you stop or take a step back.

Abyss should really come in handy for anybody who likes to "overstimulate" for those evening workouts. Thanks for sharing this bit of info JR.

[workin2005]

Originally Posted by justreading

UPDATES! UPDATES!

Alright so lets recap my feelings about abyss over the last 3-4 nights I have taken it:

Since starting ABYSS my sleep overall had been better which made me think, although brielfely, that it was not making a big difference but then I noticed a few things.

1. After ABYSS I felt much better the next day even after the same amount of sleep.

2. on abyss nights I had less dreams which is a great positive because of me dreams disturb my sleeping.

3. I WAS ABLE TO SLEEP AFTER RPM!!! - This is huuuuuge for me.

RPM is my life saver but was my life ender as well before ABYSS. Rpm is something I NEED to start the day and to enjoy working out. It has allowed me to do 15 reps with 100 pound dumbells on incline while coming OFF a looooooong cycle. Great right? nope, I could never sleep after it until abyss.

Overall so far I would say the effects have been great. At times the benefits are vague and hard to notice until you stop or take a step back.

Excellent feedback!

Workin