Drive during PCT

edwards · 09-28-2007, 09:00 PM

Lets see what all the hype is about. The Drive arrived Sept. 28.

Some personal history:
Age 29 Weight - 199 BF - 18% LeanBodyMass - 160lbs
Current Workout Routine:
10 Week Mass Building

Cardio 2-3x per week, 30 minutes on recumbant bicycle

Diet - I am aiming for 2400 calories. 6 meals x 400 calories avg each.

Sample Diet:
7:00 am 6 Egg Whites, 1 Egg Yolk, 1 piece Whole Wheat Toast, 1 tblspoon Peanut Butter, 1 Tblspoon AllFruit Jelly
Total 500 calories

10:30 am Protein Shake: 50 grams protein, 4 oz Soy Milk, "latte flavoring" (50 calories), coffee beans
Total 350 calories

1:30 pm chicken breast and sweet potato
Total 400-500 calories

4:00 pm "Oh Yea" Protein bar -
Total 380 calories

7:30 Protein Shake, pre workout. 50 g protein, 4 oz soy
Total 290 calories

10:00 PM shake. 20 grams Casein, 4 oz soy , banana -
Total 270 calories

Sleep: 6 - 7 hours per night.

Recent "Supplement" History:
I just finished a Halovar (Halodrol50) and Epistane Cycle. I added 10 lbs in 1 1/2 months. For PCT I am currently taking: Toremifene (SERM), X-Lean, Bulk Cissus (2-3 grams a day), Joint Support by Proline. My liver was tested on Monday and showed no sign of stress. My libido is still down but my nads seem to be recovering fine.

Goal:
Reduce BF% significantly while maintaining as much muscle and strength as possible. I always record my workout log to compare to previous workouts and will note increases in weight and reps if they occur.

Per Lanbane's request, I will be noting:

Strength:
Bodyweight/Body Comp:
Pumps/Vascularity:
Endurance:
Aggression:
Focus:
Libido:
Muscle Density/Hardening:
Overall Energy:
Personal Commentary:

I am excited to put Drive to the test and will do my best to keep an honest, thorough and straitforward log.

09/28/07
I took my first dose today at 1:30. I noticed a slight energy increase. I took my 2nd dose at 6:30 and did 30 minutes on the recumbant bike at 8:00. Nothing noticeable to report.

matthew76 · 09-28-2007, 11:08 PM

You know I'm subbed!

No shirt tearing first impression!?! Good - I would have to question that one.

metroba · 09-29-2007, 01:34 AM

subbed

neoborn · 09-29-2007, 03:29 AM

/subbed

drewh10987 · 09-29-2007, 07:48 PM

subbed

EasyEJL · 09-29-2007, 08:23 PM

let us know if you start getting random erections (I had to come up with something to say besides subbed)

edwards · 09-29-2007, 09:38 PM

Day 2

7:00 am 1st dose of Drive (2 pills), 30mg Torem, 1 gram Cissus, Xlean

7:30 Breakfast (Should I wait longer to eat?)

2nd dose of Drive taken at 5:00 pm

10:00 90mg Torem, xlean, cissus

Rest day today, not much to report. 1 instance of Random Wood.

EasyEJL · 09-30-2007, 10:25 AM

drive seemed to me to not quite need an empty stomach like RPM. probably a 1/2 hr between would be nice.

elcid2007 · 09-30-2007, 10:43 AM

Just wondering what kind of dosages you are using for your PCT.. I'm about ready to start PCT and am just trying to get the dosages fine-tuned

edwards · 09-30-2007, 11:01 AM

I ran Torem @ 180 for the first 3 days then 120/90/60/30 for the next four weeks.
X Lean is taken twice daily. One in the morning and 1 at night.
Cissus is dosed 1gram, 3x per day.
I take drive at 6:45ish and again 30 minutes prior to workout or at 5:00 on non w/o days.

edwards · 09-30-2007, 06:08 PM

I worked out at 5:10 to 6:30. Legs
I pushed it hard and increased weight or reps in almost all exercises except my last exercise, lying hamstring curls with which I struggled. I was pretty beat after a day of work and an hour long workout.

I took Drive at 4:00 and had a protein pre w/o shake at 4:45.

Squats 3 sets, Deadlifts 3 sets, Hack Squats 3 Sets, Standing and Seated Calf Raises 3 sets each followed by Leg Curls.

Strength: Up in most exercises.
Bodyweight/Body Comp: Same
Pumps/Vascularity: Calf muscles feel like they are ripping though my skin. This is common with my calf workout. I do a modified workout of this Fitshow Episode 30
Endurance:Good until the last exercise
Aggression: No change
Focus: Good
Libido: I've had very little libido recently. I usually seek "relief" 5 or 6 times a week. Since the end of my halodrol/epi cycle, I haven't been thinking about sex at all.
Muscle Density/Hardening: No change
Overall Energy: Pretty good today. I was not as legargic as I've been while on the Epi.
Personal Commentary: So far so good. No noticible change except maybe some extra energy. Its hard to say. Overall a good workout today.

Tommorow is chest. Its been two weeks since my shoulder has healed and I'm looking forward to hitting it harder than I've been able to.

Lanbane · 09-30-2007, 06:53 PM

Easyejl and his erection talk......................

Subbed man!

bludevil · 10-01-2007, 11:35 AM

In for the ride

metroba · 10-01-2007, 12:05 PM

have you had any negative sides w/ the drive?

edwards · 10-01-2007, 02:28 PM

No negative sides. I haven't noticed much of anything yet.

matthew76 · 10-01-2007, 02:35 PM

Hmmmmm - so you have not noticed any of the following?
• Increase endurance
• Promote lean muscle growth
• Speed recovery time
• Enhance sexual performance
• Improve mood

rms80 · 10-01-2007, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew76

Hmmmmm - so you have not noticed any of the following?
• Increase endurance
• Promote lean muscle growth
• Speed recovery time
• Enhance sexual performance
• Improve mood

Give it a few more days

matthew76 · 10-01-2007, 04:17 PM

Oh trust me - I have high hopes for DRIVE. RPM, IGF-2, LIPO AM/PM have all worked well for me - and I have 2 bottles of NEOVAR on the way along with my 2 bottles of DRIVE. I believe and trust the science and the company behind these supplements. I think that running such a product after a cycle will not yield the same affects or effects than say running it clean.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rms80

Give it a few more days

edwards · 10-01-2007, 09:30 PM

Day 4

I woke up feeling leaner. I imagine that I was holding less water than normal. Sleep was restful, approximately 7 hours.

This morning, I ate around 7 and went back to sleep for another hour! I took Drive when I woke up at 8:50. I maintained a positive energy level all day.

Approximately 2300 calories over 6 meals today.

2nd dose of Drive taken at 7 pm.

Work out at 8:15. Good energy level though workout.

My shoulder injury is completely healed. I was able to add some weight back onto the bar today and felt good about it.

Strength: Back to pre-injury levels. Increased weight on Incline bench.

Bodyweight/Body Comp: Felt leaner in the morning.
Pumps/Vascularity: Triceps were about to explode out of my arms. Chest nice and pumped up.
Endurance: Good throughout workout. No fatigue.
Aggression: I'm a pretty mellow dude. No noticeable agression increase yet.
Focus: Good. I'll have to pay attn to my focus level more.

Libido: Coming back.
Muscle Density/Hardening: Not much change
Overall Energy: Good. I was falling asleep after lunch the last week on cycle. Now I'm awake and ready to work all day.
Personal Commentary: So far so good. As Matt pointed out, because I'm using this during PCT, I might not be able to see the same benefits as someone using it stand alone. However, I think that If I can a) maintain or add-to gains, b) lean out a bit, then I think this product will be worth it for someone in PCT mode.

I'll make sure to hit the steam room and weigh myself afterwards tomorrow after my workout.

On another note, I ran into some trouble with my SERM and may have to stop it altogether. I'm going to have to switch to Dermacrine Sustain. I realize that this might effect the results of the log. I apologize in advance. However, it seems to be unavoidable as the Toremifene appears to be tainted with another chemical that is causing me to test positive for meth-amphetimines. I can only hope that I don't end up with titties.

Ronnie · 10-02-2007, 03:39 AM

Its not the Torem. It is the XLean you are taking that has ephedra based stuff in it. Good luck.

edwards · 10-02-2007, 07:25 AM

Theres no ephedra in the XLean that I can see on the ingredient list.

EasyEJL · 10-02-2007, 07:42 AM

ma huang? maybe one of the other goofy names for it?

edwards · 10-02-2007, 07:44 AM

no. Just Androstenetriol, 7-beta-hydroxy-dhea and maltodextrin.

EasyEJL · 10-02-2007, 07:46 AM

I do agree with the other statements, the amount of anything that might be in just the torem as "dirty beaker" syndrom shouldnt be enough to throw a positive, but I don't see anything else either that could do it.

metroba · 10-02-2007, 09:19 AM

I would guess Xlean too. Gl to you edwards.

rms80 · 10-02-2007, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edwards

Day 4

I woke up feeling leaner. I imagine that I was holding less water than normal. Sleep was restful, approximately 7 hours.

This morning, I ate around 7 and went back to sleep for another hour! I took Drive when I woke up at 8:50. I maintained a positive energy level all day.

Approximately 2300 calories over 6 meals today.

2nd dose of Drive taken at 7 pm.

Work out at 8:15. Good energy level though workout.

My shoulder injury is completely healed. I was able to add some weight back onto the bar today and felt good about it.

Strength: Back to pre-injury levels. Increased weight on Incline bench.

Bodyweight/Body Comp: Felt leaner in the morning.
Pumps/Vascularity: Triceps were about to explode out of my arms. Chest nice and pumped up.
Endurance: Good throughout workout. No fatigue.
Aggression: I'm a pretty mellow dude. No noticeable agression increase yet.
Focus: Good. I'll have to pay attn to my focus level more.

Libido: Coming back.
Muscle Density/Hardening: Not much change
Overall Energy: Good. I was falling asleep after lunch the last week on cycle. Now I'm awake and ready to work all day.
Personal Commentary: So far so good. As Matt pointed out, because I'm using this during post cycle therapy, I might not be able to see the same benefits as someone using it stand alone. However, I think that If I can a) maintain or add-to gains, b) lean out a bit, then I think this product will be worth it for someone in post cycle therapy mode.

I'll make sure to hit the steam room and weigh myself afterwards tomorrow after my workout.

On another note, I ran into some trouble with my SERM and may have to stop it altogether. I'm going to have to switch to Dermacrine Sustain. I realize that this might effect the results of the log. I apologize in advance. However, it seems to be unavoidable as the Toremifene appears to be tainted with another chemical that is causing me to test positive for meth-amphetimines. I can only hope that I don't end up with titties.

Some of the compounds in Drive will actually compete with estrogen- so this willl probably help prevent any type of gyno

PS- You should keep all your gains, or even gain lean muscle, when using Drive for pct. It also has several components that mimic LH and boost cAMP levels significantly- and lowered LH and lagging cAMP levels post-cycle tend to be two major reasons that individuals coming off a cycle tend to lose at least some of their gains, and feel like **** in the process

metroba · 10-02-2007, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rms80

Some of the compounds in Drive will actually compete with estrogen- so this willl probably help prevent any type of gyno

thats always good!

rms80 · 10-02-2007, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metroba

thats always good!

Absolutely!!

matthew76 · 10-02-2007, 11:45 AM

Just curious - do you have any blood work to back this?

When I do my RPM / DRIVE stack in November I am going to get before and after panels to see if T levels are elevated at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rms80

Some of the compounds in Drive will actually compete with estrogen- so this willl probably help prevent any type of gyno

PS- You should keep all your gains, or even gain lean muscle, when using Drive for post cycle therapy. It also has several components that mimic LH and boost cAMP levels significantly- and lowered LH and lagging cAMP levels post-cycle tend to be two major reasons that individuals coming off a cycle tend to lose at least some of their gains, and feel like **** in the process

rms80 · 10-02-2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthew76

Just curious - do you have any blood work to back this?

When I do my RPM / DRIVE stack in November I am going to get before and after panels to see if T levels are elevated at all.

Good question- I am in the process of trying to round up testers to try and do this on my end- I know what some of the studies show as far as the components of Drive go- but w/o the blood work to back it up- it is just supposition at this point. My theory is that Drive will increase LH, raise free test, and lower SHBG levels- and I have contacted several labs in the Charlotte area to try and get pricing on pre- and post- RPM/Drive cycle bloodwork.

I am very interested in seeing your blood work pre and post- should be some interesting results!!