P.C.T. Log: Dermacrine Sustain w/ NO SERM

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  1. I'm really not as lean as a lot of guys on here. Last I checked my BF was 12.8%. I think im somewhat of an ecto though. If you saw me in person you wouldnt think I weigh 219lbs. Unfortunately I dont carry my weight very well and look about 190-200.
    That's weird.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Aggravated View Post
    That's weird.
    Huh, why?
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  3. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    I'm really not as lean as a lot of guys on here. Last I checked my BF was 12.8%. I think im somewhat of an ecto though. If you saw me in person you wouldnt think I weigh 219lbs. Unfortunately I dont carry my weight very well and look about 190-200.
    you know, when you are a fatass like me, its a good thing when people think you are 20lbs lighter
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    you know, when you are a fatass like me, its a good thing when people think you are 20lbs lighter
    Lol, yeah I can understand that. My entire weight training life has been spent trying to get bigger. About 4-5 years ago I weighed in around 150lbs. I am really going to see how big I can get these next few months. Pry gain fat but oh well I feel its easier to cut for me.
  5. Never enough
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    I regularly have won stuffed animals for the kids at the "guess your weight within 5 lbs" thing, as they always guess a good 20lbs lower :P
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  6. Update:

    Weight 220.5lbs this morning. Strength, libido, and overall feeling are still very good. This is my last week of PCT.

    I have noticed some nipple puffiness but nothing to freak out about.

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  7. lookn a lot thicker than when you finished your havoc cycle. You looked so skinny compared to now. Congrats!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    lookn a lot thicker than when you finished your havoc cycle. You looked so skinny compared to now. Congrats!
    Thanks! I'm glad I have a full fall/winter ahead of me to get even bigger. Still wish I carried my weight better...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Thanks! I'm glad I have a full fall/winter ahead of me to get even bigger. Still wish I carried my weight better...
    You look great. Dont sweat it.
  10. Red face


    Weight is stuck between 219-220! Egh. I've been trying to pound down food too it just isnt budging. I'll keep at it though. Got several more months of this bulk and its pretty cool that I havent lost anything in PCT.

    Still using 5 pumps/day of Dermacrine Sustain. I'm going to be sad when this stuff runs out. Workouts have been pretty good lately. Motivation and aggression are all there. The last couple of days I have noticed libido is a lil lower than average. It's possible this is due to stress as I have been having problems with an ex lately.

    I'm searching around for a new doc. Pry get as much tested bloodwork wise as I can that is covered under my insurance.

    If tests come out alright I think I might run a mild AI solo. Just to stave off any E rebound if it were to occur. I have also never ran an AI solo so I'd like to see what effects the reaction of lower E will have on my natural test levels.

  11. Which AI are u planning on using? 6-bromo??

  12. Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    Which AI are u planning on using? 6-bromo??
    I actually just ordered some e-form. Just went the cheapest route (15 bucks). I do plan to use 6-bromo on cycle if I decide to run PP for my next cycle though.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    I actually just ordered some e-form. Just went the cheapest route (15 bucks). I do plan to use 6-bromo on cycle if I decide to run PP for my next cycle though.
    I hear that, u can't beat E-form for $15.

  14. Don't get discouraged on your weight bro...I only wish my post cycle therapy will go as good as yours!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    I hear that, u can't beat E-form for $15.
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  16. Lil update. Weight is holding steady at 219lbs. Good thing is that I am finally getting comfortable eating what I need to maintain this weight. So I will pry try to increase the food intake again shortly.

    post cycle therapy is basically over but I still have a few more days of Sustain left so I'll continue to run it until its out. I have a Dr's appointment next week to go over a few things and pry get some bloodwork outta him.

    I did notice yesterday that I am getting some small stretch marks on my chest....which is cool but not so cool if ya know what I mean. May have to pick up some Java lather.

    E-form should be here shortly. Also just dropped a chunk of change on 35lbs of protein.

    Next cycle I am contemplating these options either PP or superdrol. I really just wanna do a test cycle but I have to travel for work and I am not sure my roommates are down....especially with the recent crackdown.
    Last edited by Travis; 10-08-2007 at 08:49 PM. Reason: edit: weight

  17. 119! what kinda cardio you doin! jk
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    119! what kinda cardio you doin! jk
    Eeeeck. I friggin do that all the time. Forget about the 100lbs I carry in my pants.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Eeeeck. I friggin do that all the time. Forget about the 100lbs I carry in my pants.
    After seein that Avi I think I gained 100lbs in my pants. Big naturals right?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    After seein that Avi I think I gained 100lbs in my pants. Big naturals right?
    Awww yeah. It's a gif but I have no idea how to use those in an avatar here. She bounces around on my PC...its a fun time for me and her.

  21. u gettin e form was sustain not enough?

  22. Hey Travis, great log man. In your opinion do you believe that the Sustain successfully replaced your need for a SERM? Or in your opinion would you feel comfortable running Sustain in place of a SERM for a future post cycle therapy?

  23. in my personal opinion: I would rather see studies and or bloodwork proving Sustain will work well with NO SERM. I agree that its worth a shot with a lower dose of SERM right off the bat though

  24. Quote Originally Posted by pudzian2 View Post
    in my personal opinion: I would rather see studies and or bloodwork proving Sustain will work well with NO SERM. I agree that its worth a shot with a lower dose of SERM right off the bat though
    I agree with the want for some more scientific proof. I believe that Sustain could probably work fine with some of the more mild compounds out there or if someone were to run a pulse cycle.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by drewh10987 View Post
    Hey Travis, great log man. In your opinion do you believe that the Sustain successfully replaced your need for a SERM? Or in your opinion would you feel comfortable running Sustain in place of a SERM for a future post cycle therapy?
    Great questions. It is difficult for me to say ONLY because I did use 10mg's and 5mgs of nolva for 2 weeks. Eric has told me (contrary to popular belief) that maximum testosterone stimulation occurs with 10mg's (based on his review of over 200+ studies). The more and more I learn I do believe the BB'ing community does overdue things always thinking more is better.

    To more directly answer your question YES, I would be more than comfortable using only Sustain in PCT off of a Epidrol/havoc/epi cycle. At the same time I will always have a SERM on hand.

    I think PCT should be tailored depending on what your cycle is. I think a stronger cycle may be more dependent on using a SERM in conjunction with Sustain. And by stronger I don't even necessarily mean orals.

    Also I dont have bloodwork....yet. Although I cant guarantee my doc will allow me bloodwork. I know several guys on other boards have ran extended Test cycles and only used Sustain in PCT and to date I have only read positive feedback.

    For now I definitely have to give Sustain two thumbs up.

  26. S...S...S...S...SuBBeD!

    Damn - I don't know how I missed this one - but I'm here BRONANA!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    S...S...S...S...SuBBeD!

    Damn - I don't know how I missed this one - but I'm here BRONANA!
    Lol, no prob bro. It's actually over for the most part. I have bloodwork coming in the mail. I'll pry post results when I get them in.

  28. I'm surprised you didn't add in dermatherm. A product to control cort would probabaly really help pct. I actually plan on trying sustain/dermatherm for a pct.

  29. Any update on your Bloodwork?
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