Gotta catch 'em all gotta catch 'em all
- 08-04-2007, 04:37 PM
That is seriously the lamest "boost up your product" claim, I've heard in a long while. Depeding upon what the caffeine is being extracted from, it is by no means difficult to get essentially pure caffeine. I've done so myself using lipton and the old school, 1980's method of decaffination (which has since been replaced by the less carcinogenic supercritical CO2 as the solvent).
- 08-04-2007, 07:21 PM
Red Jak Energy Drink
Red Jak is made by North America Beverages. They used to have the original can that was all black. I am only familar with the one shown in the picture, however, I went to a gas station the other day and I saw their black/red can of Red Jak. Maybe they might be bringing the original back. The current picture is not the original one. In fact, now that I think of it, I'll go pick up that black looking can too sometime since it is out.
I'm not exactly sure how to describe Red Jak's taste. It is sort of a tart cherry taste with a tint of musty ass. That's one thing that I noticed when I smell/drink Red Jak is it seems somewhat musty. I'm not really fond of this taste, it just leave a gross taste in my mouth after I am done drinking it.
There is no amount of caffeine being shown, but judging from how I 'feel on it' I'm going to speculat that it is around 120-140mg of caffeine which seems to be standard in non-stated caffeine quantities.
One thing I want to note about Red Jak is it contains 1,894mg (2x 947mg) of taurine. Most standard energy drinks come with 2,000mg of Taurine like Rockstar/Monster, so they should give themselves a round of applause for nickle and diming the difference between theirs and the other drinks out there. Sounds like cheap phucks if you ask me.
RATING: 1/10. I like the handprint on the can that's kinda neat. Drink is weaker than Rockstar/Monster. The taste reminds me of musty ass and it costs around the same amount as Rockstar/Monster. The caffeine quantity is not disclosed by the company, but it most likely contains 120mg-140mg if not even something less than that. This is one of the more 'below average' energy drinks I've came across.
......Lost Perfect 10 energy drink
This is also going to be really easy as well. My girlfriend bought this yesterday and started drinking it. 'Hm, this tastes familiar', she said. I told her to let me take a sip of it. I did and lo' and behold it is a Monster clone. She finished the rest of it so I don't break my caffeine withdrawl. I was quite pissed because the Joker can was somewhat noticeable, but this Lost Perfect 10 can looked like it was something new. The whole damn thing is Monster. Same ingredients, same everything. Wow Monster is the Muscle-Tech of energy drinks. It makes me wonder now how many clones they got out there.
RATING: 0/10. See 'Joker' review
Yesterday I got one of my friends to try Endorush. I told him to let it sit in the fridge so it gets really cold, then on an empty stomach pop back half the bottle really quickly. (The cold is to get maximum absorption in the shortest period of time in case you didn't know). He did then we went to the gym to go workout. After about 10 minutes he said he was feeling pretty good and we were doing knocking out sets,etc. After about another 10 mins (20 after we started) he finished a set of squats, ran over to the trash can and started dry heaving. After about the 5th dry heave he finally puked up some liquid. I'm not going to even speculate what that was. (he's 6'2" 220lbs).
I asked him if he was fine, he said 'yeah' he was just feeling extremely dizzy earlier. He actually got back in and we finished our workout. Lol now he only drink 1/4 the bottle at a time.......puzzy.
my favorite energy drink is Xenergy, it tastes pretty good and i can get them for about 3 bucks CDN each.
They used a nice round number of taurine in the recipe, but when all the other ingredients are thrown in, it becomes swayed like that.
106mg of extra taurine is likely not going to give you any more noticeable affect, it is possible that the other companies round off their numbers.
I agree that the 106mg of taurine probably won't make a difference, it is actually quite a small amount. I didn't think about the other companies rounding their taurine numbers to 2000mg since the quantity difference is so small. I'm not sure that is just speculation, I'm just reading the can.
Clear Shot (part 2)
Earlier in my log I purchased (2) Clear Shots and drank one with less than stellar results. This time I gave it a 4 day hiatus without caffeine and tried Ergopharm's Clear Shot again this morning when I woke up. I took the Clear Shot out of the fridge and tossed the bottle back on an empty stomach and hit the gym right afterwards.
I gotta say I'm extremely impressed with how the space between the last drink and this one turned out. As I stated before I'll be doing one drink then 2 days off, etc, etc.
Moving forward, the taste is still the same taste. If any of you have drank a Clear Shot you know what I mean I don't have to describe it. It is pretty crazy how the thermogenic feeling hits right away. This actually happened last time as well, it just floods your body with this warm feeling like a shot of Bacardi 151.
Nootropic: Clear Shot works pretty damn amazing as a mental enhancement/nootropic. I had a good expierence with Clear Shot as an nootropic last time and it seemed like this time was even better. I had good focus while I was lifting and it was extremely clean. This would have been awesome for me during finals week when I was in college.
Energywise: Clear Shot is the cleanest energy I've felt from an energy drink so far. It is not brute force like Endorush, but at the same time it was still a pretty decent drive. I'm EXTREMELY surprised how clean it was off of 250mg caffeine (whole bottle) especially for me early in the morning. I had no crash from using this.
Thermogenic: Clear shot had me sweating more than I usually did when I lift. I was actually sweating pretty damn hard while doing chest/bench press this morning. I'm not sure if this is to actually also facilitate fat loss or just a 'cool feeling effect', but either way it seemed to really put its effect on me.
-Good, clean energy
-Good thermogenic feeling
-Taste..again..rubbing alcohol+dijon mustard.
-Price. If you see the thumbnail below that's how much it would cost from Nutraplanet.com to get a pack of 12 Clear Shots to my place since I can't just go to the store and buy them. Very expensive.
Ok so to me including S&H: $41.95/12 = $3.49 PER BOTTLE !?
RATING: 8.5/10. Clear Shot was much better second time I used it. I probably had some blunted tolerance prior to usage of Clear Shot so the timely hiatus made a difference. The quality of the energy is very good, I had no side effects like trouble breathing, crashing, or headaches. Nothing. The taste is nasty beyond belief, but that's about it. Something needs to be done about that ungodly price too. Overall it is a good product with the exception of taste and price which I think Patrick should not have any issue conquering those 2 aspects.
= 8.5 score
Since I cannot buy this at GNC/Vitamin Shoppe that means I have to order it online and pay for shipping and handling. Since I have to do a special online order, to me that is essentially like paying extra for the drink. In fact, the 2 Clear Shots from Nutraplanet.com cost me damn near $10.00 for 2 !? That's ridiculous......actually now that I think of it, each one individually is like $3.80ish x 2 + S&H so I think it was even more than that. Like $13-$14ish.
Up until now:
-Better quality energy: Clear Shot
-More brute raw energy: Endorush
I haven't thought about if I am going to log alcoholic energy drinks. They come with so much phucking sugar plus the malt liquor will probably make me puke guaranteed. I normally don't drink anything but beer, I'll take water over hard liquor/malt liquor.
that someone's collection would be you? damn impressive.
i thought malt liquor is beer. I drink malt liquor (Olde English) and id say it's beer.
That's what I only drink beer. Good or bad...just needs to be beer.
Yesterday I left for a business trip. I arrived at the hotel later on in the afternoon. Everything was fine and dandy but it was cloudy outside. After going out with my collegues for dinner I went back to my room for the evening.
It started raining extremely hard around 10:00pm. I ended up going to bed around 12:30am that night. Still raining hard as phuck. At this point it is thundering and lighting extremely hard. It looked like my hotel room was a disco floor due to all the lighting flashing. Around 1:45am lighting struck the hotel and the $#@$@# fire alarm goes off. I have no idea what the phuck the loud noise was at first, but it is extremely loud and sharp. It had to be atleast 105dB.
I immediately woke up and put on my contacts. I looked outside in the hallway and people were walking around and sticking their heads outside the door as well. After about 5 minutes of ear deafing sound I make my way down to the lobby where all the guests staying in the hotel are gathering. It is still raining ridiculously hard, in fact it looked like some tropical typhoon at this point. Everything is flood outside, the parking lot and the grass. The fire department comes to de-activate the alarm. I'm just talking to my 5 other collegues and we are all so tired and groggy-eyed. After the alarm went off the staff at the reception desk informed us that it was the lighting that struck and caused the alarm to go off (as I had expected). After some social cursing we all go back to our rooms.
Around 2:45am the phucking power decides to go out. I can hear my computer beeping (this laptop I'm using right now) and I hear the a/c turn off. I get up again to go unplug my computer, and at this point there is no power within the entire hotel. So it is 80ish outside and my room is starting to warm up. On top of that the typhoon is still going on and my room keeps lighting up like a damn disco floor.
I can't really sleep at this time, because now that there is no power in my room it is making me uncomfortable having that lighting flash in my room, esp. when there is a big ass mirror directly in front of my bed. I'm just waiting for the lighting to flash and I'm going to see a dismembered corpse or something. So now this is the second time I've been woken up plus now I'm being a puzzy about going to sleep b/c I keep looking at the mirror across my bed while the lighting is flashing.
There is no coffee made b/c the power was out. I couldn't see in my room b/c the power was out and the hallway was pitch dark. I finally find my way to the lobby where my other collegues are. They cannot print a reciept but tell me they will fax it to me sometime (so I can't get reimbursed until then...tight!).
No one can really stay awake at the seminar that I attended including me. I did not have any Endorush unfortunately and after awhile I just stopped trying to fight the fatigue trying to stay awake. I finally make it back home today @ 1:00am and I'm tired as phuck.
That was my most recent business trip adventure.
The only good thing about alcoholic energy drinks is that most of them look like non-alcoholic energy drinks. I've had a few friends get out of getting busted because the 5-0 thought Sparks was generic Red Bull.
I didn't clarify. That collection is someone elses' collection that I found. I don't even have probably 1/8th of those. I'm just collection the type, not like Rockstar, every flavor, just the different kinds of drinks. I hate drinking the non diet energy drinks. They have way too many carbs/sugar.
On that note, IBE's Matrix is coming today in the mail so I'm gonna try that out.
Vault soft drink/energy drink
Until now I'm still confused as to refer to this as a energy drink or what. Well, it says 'energy' on the bottle so I'll take it as that. Their slogan is "Drinks like a soda, kicks like an energy drink." I picked up one of these last night coming back from my business trip. Vault is relatively cheap compared to the other energy drinks. Once again I'm kinda baffled just thinking about this.
Taste: I enjoy Vault more than Mountain Dew. It has a more tart flavor vs. Mountain Dew but not much. I believe Vault is Coca-Cola's version of the failed 'Mountain Dew MDX'. I supposed they figured it might do better if they just changed the name. I don't have the bottle with me but I'm pretty sure Vault is just a soda with extra caffeine in it.
The Mountain Dew MDX had the caffeine, guarana, etc...all that usual stuff. The Vault does not have any of that. A 12oz can contains 70mg of caffeine, and a 20z bottle contain 117.5mg of caffeine for the 20oz bottle.
I have only seen Vault Zero sold in 20oz bottles in gas stations, grocery stores, etc, but not in cans. The regular version is the only one I have seen that is sold on the 24 packs.
RATING: 4/10. Its cheap enough and it has less caffeine than Monster/Rockstar, but it is enough if you don't feel like spending $2.00+ for a can. I would buy this in a 24 pack, but since obesity is still the 'in thing' I have to buy the 20oz bottles until Coca-Cola decides otherwise. Its nothing too stellar and if anything, they've taken a step backwards from their previous MDX drink. So there's really nothing too special about this. Their new slogan should be 'Drinks like a soda, and has just a bit more caffeine.' That's all this is.
Energy Drink ingredients
Here's a breakdown of what you see on the side of that can that keeps on reappearing, reappearing, and reappearing on the same side of every energy drink.
Caffeine: The most common stimulant, found in coffee, Coke and Mountain Dew. Found in much higher quantities in energy drinks. Most energy drinks contain between 70 and 200 mg. A 5 oz cup of coffee contains 110-150mg for drip, 65-125mg for percolated, and 40-80 mg for instant. Dr. Pepper gives you 61mg, and a can of Coke provides 50mg. A full can of RockStar has 150mg. A lot of people experience side effects above 200mg, but then again they are probably girlie men. A lot of companies are trying to boast how much caffeine that they jam pack in their drink. To me that's kinda like comparing each other's pen1s size, but I digress. If nothing else, every 'energy drink' has some type of caffeine.
Taurine: Taurine is an amino acid that your body naturally produces. It helps regulate heartbeat and muscle contractions, and energy levels. Usually your body makes enough that you don’t need to supplement. It’s thought, but not proven, that under “stress conditions” like illness, physical exertion, or injury, the body does not create enough and supplements can help. Taurine might be a “mild inhibitory neurotransmitter”, some studies show it helps with excitable brain states. While this isn’t exactly what we want, maybe it helps level us out so we function better with elevated levels of other stimulants.
Guarana: Guarana comes from plants in South America. Amazonians have used it for a long time to increase alertness and energy. It’s more dense in caffeine than coffee beans (3-4% vs 1-2%). It’s not just called “caffeine” because it contains a couple other things: theobromine and theophylline. They’re found in coffees and teas, and are known stimulants. Marketing retards will sometimes call this one guaranine, as if it’s something different. It’s not.
B-Vitamins:These are essentially the things that help you convert crap to energy. Crap like sugar, which is found in abundance in energy drinks. The jury’s still out on whether or not they increase energy levels via supplementation, but they also allege that they get rid of hangovers, but that's up to you to believe that. Whenever you take a piss and it looks like a bright yellow highlighter, that's all those vitamin-bs that are being flushed out. My guess would be that they go through your system so fast that your body dosen't have time to absorb them as efficiently as it could. Who knows.
Ginseng: Ginseng, an adaptogenic herb, is known to increase energy, has some anti-fatigue components, and supposedly relieves stress. Right now it’s suspected that gingseng helps stimulate the hypothalamic and pituitary glands, which then secrete something called adrenal corticotropic hormone. With a name like that, it can’t possibly be bad. Ginseng is nothing that’s naturally created by your body, so having this in your drink certainly won’t hurt. 200mg/day seems to be the standard dose, but you can safely take up to 2700mg.
Ginkgo Biloba: It’s suspected that ginkgo biloba is the longest-living organism on this planet. Using the theory that you get something’s (or someone’s) powers by eating the brains, eating the oldest thing on the planet is probably a good thing. Or maybe it’s such a hardy mofo that it’ll kill you instantly. But that’s never been the case. It helps memory rentention, concentration, circulation, acts as an anti-depressant, and even shows signs of helping people with Alzheimer’s. The German government recognizes it as something that helps with memory loss, concentration, and depression.60mg is a standard supplementation dose, and you can easily take 240mg.
L-Carnitine: An amino acid usually created by your liver and kidneys, this stuff helps up your metabolism and energy levels. Because of the way it interacts with your body, it may act as a thermogenic and help increase weight loss and endurance during exercise. The jury’s still out on whether or not you need to supplement unless you have an unusual diet, but you can take 2-6 grams without worry. Make sure you get L-Carnitine, which is the type your body creates and can use. D-Carnitine is “inactive” and may actually hurt endurance levels. Some people take this to support their heart, so putting it in an energy drink that increases your heart rate.
Sugars: Glucose is the body’s preferred fuel. The majority of energy drinks contain a ton of sugar. Therefore, energy. It’s a carbohydrate, and a lot of exercise regiments suggest a good dose of sugar for workouts lasting more than an hour. A lot of athletes take it in the form of rice or noodles, complex carbs, whichever... so they have timed absorption. You can take a bunch of this easily… 150 grams in your system might get you wired, but probably won’t hurt you. Eating in excess will make you fat due to the high sugars/carbs causing insulin spikes, like all the fructose in regular soda.
Ya know, there's really very little science behind an energy drink's formulation. The market is do damn big, that any Johnny "I have enough $$$ to fund production" can throw something together.
Think about it:
-Good taste is optional. That's half the battle right there.
-You know what the pioneer companies use, if you're close, you're in the clear.
-Throw some sh*t together, and have a bottling company shove it in a can, and start making profits.
Between Nutraplanet and the local Kroger, I'm willing to bet I could put something together to know your socks off.
I think that the way the product is marketed and the taste is the majority of what the energy drinks are composed of. Some of the ingredients have some reality behind it like caffeine, but for the most part its all theoretical on that part.
I think the majority of the energy drinks are regurgitated formulas of someone else's product, but there are a couple out there that do have some results that differ from the other such as endorush/clear shot which both have a unique ingredient content vs. Rockstar+caffeine.,etc...
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