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    * Increases the levels of “good estrogens” (2-hydroxyestrogen) while reducing the level of "bad" estrogens (16-hydroxyestrogen). Not only does increased production of 2-hydroxyestrogen result in higher levels of testosterone output but 2-hydroxyestrogen also has been shown to rapidly metabolize fat.



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    Goals
    * Lose Fat * Boost Libido

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    * ON Whey * Formestane * Leviathan * Omega Oils * Vitamin C * Multi * Niacin * Saw Palmetto

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    * 228lbs * BF: ??? ffs still need to find a Dr. that has calipers or something. * 5'7" * DC Style Training *


    Day 1
    * 4ml Form * Comments: Applied 4ml via dropper to Chest, Belly, Thighs, Feel the rushhhhhhh

    Day 2
    * 4 caps Leviathan, 2 morning & 2 Pre workout with food * 8ml Form * Workout - Chest: Dips BWx3 | Dec DB 40x15~40x12~45x6~45x6~45x6 | Inc BB 35x6~35x4~35x4 | Flat Fly 25x6~25x5~25x5 All working sets performed with 15 breath rest only * Comments: Applied 4ml (morn / night)via dropper to Chest, Belly, Thighs. Currently am working my way up to 2g's Niacin a day as per study for cholesterol lowering

    Day 3
    * 4 caps Leviathan, 2 morning & 2 Pre workout with food * 10ml Form * Workout - None Day Off chest still hurting from yesterday * Comments: Applied 5ml (morn / night)via dropper to Chest, Belly, Thighs.

    Day 4
    * 4 caps Leviathan, 2 morning & 2 Pre workout with food * 12ml Form * Workout - Chins / Neg Chins BWx 8 * Comments: Applied 6ml (morn / night). Upped my single dose amount of Niacin to 1g at a time because flush was diminishing on 500mg doses.

    Day 5 - 28th July 2007
    * 4 caps Leviathan, 2 morning & 2 Pre workout with food * 12ml Form * Workout - Seated Hammer Smith Rows: 70x15~70x10~80x7~80x8~80x7 | Pull Downs: 120x6~120x7~130x7~130x7~130x6~ 130x6 | Bent Rows: 45x10~45x10~45x10~45x10 * Comments: Upped my single dose amount of Niacin to 1g. Good back workout. Added in Trib Test from Diesel to help with previou low test condition, we'll see how this goes.

    Day 6 - 29th July 2007
    * 4 caps Leviathan, 2 morning & 2 afternoon without food * 12ml Form * Workout: None * Comments: Upped my single dose amount of Niacin to 2g, body adapted as no flush now. Good back workout. Added in Trib Test from Diesel to help with previous low test condition 2 morning 1 afternoon on empty stomach.

    Day 7 - 30th July 2007
    * 6caps Leviathan, 3 morning & 3 afternoon without food * 3 x Milk Thistle pills * 12ml Form * Workout: BW exercises - Chins: BWx10 singles / statics as I am not strong enough to do more than two reps yet ~ Palm Facing Chins - BWx 5 static holds * Comments: Balls are definitely larger as per Mrs.Neoborn. Libido boosted I feel mighty fine darn it! Not sure what I am supposed to be feeling from the Leviathan if anything. Weight: 226.5 morning. Updated bodyshots taken >>>here<<<

    Day 8 - 31st July 2007
    * 6 caps Leviathan,3 morning & 3 afternoon without food * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: HIIT Cardio 20 minutes * Comments: Good cardio workout, was sweating like crazy from the heat! Feel warm after taking Leviathan and Niacin.

    Day 9 - 1st August 2007
    * 6 caps Leviathan, 3 morning & 3 afternoon without food * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: Started DC Training: Incline Chest BB: 25x15~35x10~35x4~35x5~35x4 | Shoulder DB Press: 30x10~35x8~35x6~35x6 | Skullcrushers: W Bar x 15~10x7~10x6~10x5 | Pulldowns: 120x12~130x6~140x6 | Rack Deads: None * Comments: Good workout sweated like a mofo. Leviathan keeping my temperature up.

    Day 10/11 - 2nd & 3rd August 2007
    * 6 caps Leviathan, 3 morning & 3 afternoon without food * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: None * Comments: Taking it easy to recover and working in the yard / on the house.

    Day 12 - 4th August 2007
    * 6 caps Leviathan, 3 morning & 3 afternoon without food * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: Biceps Alt DB Curls: 20x15~30x10~35x6~35x4~35x4 | Forearms Hammer Curls: 20x5~20x4~20x5 | Calves: Standing Toe Raise: BWx10~BWx6~BWx6 | Ham Curls: 30x15~40x15~50x15~60x13~70x10 | Squats: Barx15~25x15~35x10~35x8 * Comments: Good workout sweated like a mofo. Leviathan keeping my temperature up.

    Day 13/14 - 5th & 6th August 2007
    * 6 caps Leviathan, 3 morning & 3 afternoon without food * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: None other than walking / rollerblading a little * Comments: Faaaaack, I haven't worked calves in like forever, or performed ham curls for that matter! My left calve / hamstring is mega tight. I can hardly walk. I have to keep stretching it out multiple times a day but am pretty much limping around. If I sit down for more than five minutes it's like rigamortis sets in Crazy!

    Day 15 - 7th August 2007
    * 6 caps Leviathan, 3 morning & 3 afternoon without food * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: Decline Chest BB: 24x15~35x15~45~7~45x5~45x4 | Shoulder BB Press: 25x7~25x6~25x6~25x5 | Skullcrushers as I couldn't do dips: 10x15~10x15~20x6~20x4 W Bar | Rack Deads: 45x7~45x13~45x15 * Comments: Good workout sweated like a mofo.


    Last day of Leviathan as supply all used up. Good thermogenic. Starting weight: 228lbs Ending Weight: 226lbs. Kept muscle and lost some fat. Noticeable plus in motivation / gym intensity. Worthy supp 9/10.

    Pending some thought as I am going to continue Form but go onto Activate Extreme. First I have to get blood etc.

    Day 16 - 8th August 2007
    * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: Steady Pace Cardio 20 minutes * Comments: Good workout.

    Day 17 - 9th August 2007
    * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: None* Comments: Day off as tired / fatigued from DC training. Not adapted to the intensity yet.

    Day 18 - 10th August 2007
    * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: DC 2A: Alt DB Curl - 20x15~30x10~35x6~35x6~35x5 | Hammer Curl: 20x10~25x5~30x4 | Standing Left Calve Raise: BWx10~BWx8~BWx8~BWx8 | Ham Curl: 40x15~50x15~70x15~80x8 | Squats: 25x15~25x15~35x11~35x11. Comments: Taking it easy on squats so as not to f'cuk up my leg again. Good workout that kicked my ass. Feel Stronger / Look Fuller / Tighter.

    Day 19 - 11th August 2007
    * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: DC 1C: Incline DB Chest - 35x15~40x14~50x10~50x5~50x5 | Shoulder Front Press: 180x5~180x6~180x5 | SkullCrusher: 20x10~20x8~20x6 | Pulldownsl: 130x10~130x10~140x5~140x4 | TBar Row: 105x10~105x10~105x8 * Comments: Good workout. F'in hot in the gym.

    Day 20/21 - 12th/13th August 2007
    * 12ml Form * 3 Trib Test, 2 Morning & 1 Afternoon * Workout: None* Comments: Days off.

    Tapering down on Formestane now as getting ready for Activate Extreme Log after day 30 of this log. Cutting Formestane by 1ml a day until zero ml's
























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    Sounds like a good stack.

    I assume you're using bulk Form with Penetrate?
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    Looks good.

    For BF% ask your local gym if they do health assessment test...they should check your BF as part of it.
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    It's about time you started this!

    Watch the heart rate/BP to make sure the combo doesn't make you even MORE of a spaz
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Looks good.

    For BF% ask your local gym if they do health assessment test...they should check your BF as part of it.
    They don't it's a small gym with only the essentials I'll have to look around.

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    It's about time you started this!

    Watch the heart rate/BP to make sure the combo doesn't make you even MORE of a spaz
    What if I like the palpatations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    They don't it's a small gym with only the essentials I'll have to look around.

    What if I like the palpatations?
    tsk tsk... and I was just about to send you a link to a body composition site that has a calculator for 3, 5, and 7 point skinfolds. All you need is a cheapo caliper. Oh well
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    tsk tsk... and I was just about to send you a link to a body composition site that has a calculator for 3, 5, and 7 point skinfolds. All you need is a cheapo caliper. Oh well
    I'll take that link please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    tsk tsk... and I was just about to send you a link to a body composition site that has a calculator for 3, 5, and 7 point skinfolds. All you need is a cheapo caliper. Oh well
    Yeah, he deserves to be left out in the dark for that.

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    Don't fret. Neo has his head up his ass again, your linkage is safe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xjsynx View Post
    Don't fret. Neo has his head up his ass again, your linkage is safe...
    Who......fret, wah....ass.....head what??? sigh you guys and your secret spy lingo!
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    suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuub'd Neo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xjsynx View Post
    Don't fret. Neo has his head up his ass again, your linkage is safe...
    again or still?
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    Quote Originally Posted by john123131 View Post
    suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuub'd Neo!
    good maybe you can class this joint up a little. whats up john?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    good maybe you can class this joint up a little. whats up john?

    your classy enough for us all bigt

    haha..sup brutha
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    Neo, when I dose niacin that high, I get all itchy and a weird rash that last for a few days. Also, I've noticed breathing difficulty for about 45 minutes after a mega-dose of niacin in the 2.5g range. Do a search for "niacin toxicity" on wikipedia for more info. Ramp slowly to make sure you can tolerate doses that high.
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    Yeah baby. I had the flush from the beginning. Was taking 2 doses of 500mg niacin a day. When I took it on an empty stomach it was even more agitated. Last night I took a dose ( 500mg ) on empty and little to no flush. Personally I love the "on" or effect of niacin and form I'm an ex junky ( mary jane, sugar, adrenaline )

    I am now ( today ) going to ramp up to taking 1g at a time see how that goes and then on to two. Finally taking 2g's before bed on empty.

    http://intelegen.com/nutrients/niacin.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Yeah baby. I had the flush from the beginning. Was taking 2 doses of 500mg niacin a day. When I took it on an empty stomach it was even more agitated. Last night I took a dose ( 500mg ) on empty and little to no flush. Personally I love the "on" or effect of niacin and form I'm an ex junky ( mary jane, sugar, adrenaline )

    I am now ( today ) going to ramp up to taking 1g at a time see how that goes and then on to two. Finally taking 2g's before bed on empty.

    http://intelegen.com/nutrients/niacin.htm
    holy shiit neo, 2grams? we'll miss you buddy.
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    holy cow-couldnt imagine 6gm a day! i apologize neo, once again your wisdom has baffled me.
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    Hahah its cause I be smurt as a somebuddy who haz dem braynez n stuff.

    I am thinking of this combo just cause:

    1. Take dose Niacin which increases blood flow of small capillaries etc i.e. just think improved blood flow

    2. Shower then Formestane application.

    3. Therefore this opening of the capillaries in the dermal layer and then adding the TD Form should make this even more absorbed no?

    Just thinking...my brayn hurts, must lay down now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Hahah its cause I be smurt as a somebuddy who haz dem braynez n stuff.

    I am thinking of this combo just cause:

    1. Take dose Niacin which increases blood flow of small capillaries etc i.e. just think improved blood flow

    2. Shower then Formestane application.

    3. Therefore this opening of the capillaries in the dermal layer and then adding the TD Form should make this even more absorbed no?

    Just thinking...my brayn hurts, must lay down now.
    interesting point neo

    btw, I wasn't knocking niacin as it has it's place. I just thought 2g every night was a bit high. Run it that high for a few weeks and you might be treading water on some liver toxicity. Just something to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    interesting point neo

    btw, I wasn't knocking niacin as it has it's place. I just thought 2g every night was a bit high. Run it that high for a few weeks and you might be treading water on some liver toxicity. Just something to think about.
    As always I love your input ( no no not you bigT ) and appreciate your candor with me, hmmm or is that splendor? I dunno. I appreciate you and you thinking of me, now stop your lusty thoughts and get back to your log

    I will keep that in mind. I need to get my blood done again soon anyway I think I'll get it done after one month.

    Anyone wanna chime in on the liver toxicity thing? What's a good cheap way to keep my liver happy ( no not $60 usd cycle support ), like $10 cad happy or even stuff I can just buy at the zupermarkeet.

    Thanks guys

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    Hmmmm may try This
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    do u have wal marts in planet canada? salymarin (extract from milk thistle) is super cheap. so is nac. SamE seems to be top notch in liver protection but now you're looking at higher prices because it's marketed to old people for wellness (no offense T)

    Neo, what gave u the idea to use niacin to increase TD absorption. I'm seriously curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    do u have wal marts in planet canada? salymarin (extract from milk thistle) is super cheap. so is nac. SamE seems to be top notch in liver protection but now you're looking at higher prices because it's marketed to old people for wellness (no offense T)

    Neo, what gave u the idea to use niacin to increase TD absorption. I'm seriously curious.
    haha just add some bulk niacin to the e-form. just kidding neo. jeez, kids.
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    Mega dosing niacin has only been associated with liver disease in the case of extended or delayed release niacin. The complex of the binders in the products often leads to delayed liver processing with subsequent damage taking place to the organ. There has not been any known effect with regular instant release nicotinic acid(not saying that it wouldn't happen... just saying). However, neo unless you suffer from dyslipidemia or some type of hypercholesterolemia I really don't see the need for that high a dosage. We're talking therapeutic dosages prescribe for such cases by physicians, why take it if your perfectly healthy.

    As for artery dilation and form.... who knows, I highly doubt the short term blood rush would be enough to elicit anything above what you would see normally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    do u have wal marts in planet canada? salymarin (extract from milk thistle) is super cheap. so is nac. SamE seems to be top notch in liver protection but now you're looking at higher prices because it's marketed to old people for wellness (no offense T)
    Thanks man, and yes we do, please don't forget half the world is "Americanized" I am going to pick up some of that Salymarin then or NAC after researching it.

    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Neo, what gave u the idea to use niacin to increase TD absorption. I'm seriously curious.
    It didn't I got my results back from my bloodtest telling me I have some problem areas.

    1. Blood sugar possible pre diabetes ( most likely not but we'll see )

    2. Cholesterol - Bad cholesterol values

    3. BP

    4. Liver values.

    This is all from being a fat lazy f*cker for many years including having a sitdown job and loving bacon n eggs . So now I'm taking the steps to resolve this.

    This is where the Niacin comes into play because of my cholesterol. I read where Niacin in reasonably large doses reduced bad chol, raised good and boosted IGF-1 if taken on an empty stomach. I also drink orange juice and am going to start capping cinnamon which will also help with blood sugar issue.

    That's why I got the idea about Niacin "possibly" helping absorbtion via the flush / capillary system opening up....just a thought.

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    Mega dosing niacin has only been associated with liver disease in the case of extended or delayed release niacin. The complex of the binders in the products often leads to delayed liver processing with subsequent damage taking place to the organ. There has not been any known effect with regular instant release nicotinic acid(not saying that it wouldn't happen... just saying). However, neo unless you suffer from dyslipidemia or some type of hypercholesterolemia I really don't see the need for that high a dosage. We're talking therapeutic dosages prescribe for such cases by physicians, why take it if your perfectly healthy.
    Kewl did you read this Prld?

    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    As for artery dilation and form.... who knows, I highly doubt the short term blood rush would be enough to elicit anything above what you would see normally.
    Was just a thought with no science behind it but it does dilate blood vessels etc so.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Thanks man, and yes we do, please don't forget half the world is "Americanized" I am going to pick up some of that Salymarin then or NAC after researching it.



    It didn't I got my results back from my bloodtest telling me I have some problem areas.

    1. Blood sugar possible pre diabetes ( most likely not but we'll see )

    2. Cholesterol - Bad cholesterol values

    3. BP

    4. Liver values.

    This is all from being a fat lazy f*cker for many years including having a sitdown job and loving bacon n eggs . So now I'm taking the steps to resolve this.

    This is where the Niacin comes into play because of my cholesterol. I read where Niacin in reasonably large doses reduced bad chol, raised good and boosted IGF-1 if taken on an empty stomach. I also drink orange juice and am going to start capping cinnamon which will also help with blood sugar issue.

    That's why I got the idea about Niacin "possibly" helping absorbtion via the flush / capillary system opening up....just a thought.



    Kewl did you read this Prld?



    Was just a thought with no science behind it but it does dilate blood vessels etc so.....
    Just keep in mind that it dilates blood vessels, it doesn't dilate skin layers. So for penatration and absorption I doubt it'll be anything substantial, buuuuuut you could try it and see how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Kewl did you read this Prld?
    Niacin has been used for hypercholesterol since the 50's, as aside from statins it's one of the only other things to offer statistically significant effects in each and every trial run.... so your theory is spot on with the intended effects. I question the authors advice on offering niacinamide for the same effects in hopes of avoiding adverse sides with nicotinic acid. There has been no studies done with niacinamide which indicates it lowers lipids whatsoever... so how they got that conclusion I don't know.
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    Currently taking 2g's of niacin now & 6 Leviathan, do people get an 'on' feeling with Leviathan?
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    It's a pretty darn good thermogenic.... definetly makes you feel like moving some weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Currently taking 2g's of niacin now & 6 Leviathan, do people get an 'on' feeling with Leviathan?
    I get really warm....never shaky, even @ 8 a day I didnt..haha...
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    Quote Originally Posted by john123131 View Post
    I get really warm....never shaky, even @ 8 a day I didnt..haha...
    I'm at 6 a day. I know what you mean by warm. It was hard to tell in the beginning because I was dosing it at the same time as the Niacin. Both are working wonderfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    I'm at 6 a day. I know what you mean by warm. It was hard to tell in the beginning because I was dosing it at the same time as the Niacin. Both are working wonderfully.

    good to hear C....is it hot as hell up in ONT. right now?...its sooo humid here its gross....one nice day, one humid day where I sweat all f-ing day, then sun again...crazy weather. Think the ocean would help with a breeze...naw....sucks
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    Yes it's crazy hot. Good thing I hide away all day in the AC
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    You said you were gonna get some blood values. I'd be particularly interested to see if there were effects from the form.

    Neo, any sides? Palpitations, irritability/anxiety, and interference with sleep patterns are sides that are hit or miss for me with form.
  

  
 

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