Neoborn's Formestane / Leviathan Log

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    interesting point neo

    btw, I wasn't knocking niacin as it has it's place. I just thought 2g every night was a bit high. Run it that high for a few weeks and you might be treading water on some liver toxicity. Just something to think about.
    As always I love your input ( no no not you bigT ) and appreciate your candor with me, hmmm or is that splendor? I dunno. I appreciate you and you thinking of me, now stop your lusty thoughts and get back to your log

    I will keep that in mind. I need to get my blood done again soon anyway I think I'll get it done after one month.

    Anyone wanna chime in on the liver toxicity thing? What's a good cheap way to keep my liver happy ( no not $60 usd cycle support ), like $10 cad happy or even stuff I can just buy at the zupermarkeet.

    Thanks guys

    Much Love,

    Neoborn

    Hmmmm may try This


  2. do u have wal marts in planet canada? salymarin (extract from milk thistle) is super cheap. so is nac. SamE seems to be top notch in liver protection but now you're looking at higher prices because it's marketed to old people for wellness (no offense T)

    Neo, what gave u the idea to use niacin to increase TD absorption. I'm seriously curious.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    do u have wal marts in planet canada? salymarin (extract from milk thistle) is super cheap. so is nac. SamE seems to be top notch in liver protection but now you're looking at higher prices because it's marketed to old people for wellness (no offense T)

    Neo, what gave u the idea to use niacin to increase TD absorption. I'm seriously curious.
    haha just add some bulk niacin to the e-form. just kidding neo. jeez, kids.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  4. Mega dosing niacin has only been associated with liver disease in the case of extended or delayed release niacin. The complex of the binders in the products often leads to delayed liver processing with subsequent damage taking place to the organ. There has not been any known effect with regular instant release nicotinic acid(not saying that it wouldn't happen... just saying). However, neo unless you suffer from dyslipidemia or some type of hypercholesterolemia I really don't see the need for that high a dosage. We're talking therapeutic dosages prescribe for such cases by physicians, why take it if your perfectly healthy.

    As for artery dilation and form.... who knows, I highly doubt the short term blood rush would be enough to elicit anything above what you would see normally.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  5. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    do u have wal marts in planet canada? salymarin (extract from milk thistle) is super cheap. so is nac. SamE seems to be top notch in liver protection but now you're looking at higher prices because it's marketed to old people for wellness (no offense T)
    Thanks man, and yes we do, please don't forget half the world is "Americanized" I am going to pick up some of that Salymarin then or NAC after researching it.

    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Neo, what gave u the idea to use niacin to increase TD absorption. I'm seriously curious.
    It didn't I got my results back from my bloodtest telling me I have some problem areas.

    1. Blood sugar possible pre diabetes ( most likely not but we'll see )

    2. Cholesterol - Bad cholesterol values

    3. BP

    4. Liver values.

    This is all from being a fat lazy f*cker for many years including having a sitdown job and loving bacon n eggs . So now I'm taking the steps to resolve this.

    This is where the Niacin comes into play because of my cholesterol. I read where Niacin in reasonably large doses reduced bad chol, raised good and boosted IGF-1 if taken on an empty stomach. I also drink orange juice and am going to start capping cinnamon which will also help with blood sugar issue.

    That's why I got the idea about Niacin "possibly" helping absorbtion via the flush / capillary system opening up....just a thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Mega dosing niacin has only been associated with liver disease in the case of extended or delayed release niacin. The complex of the binders in the products often leads to delayed liver processing with subsequent damage taking place to the organ. There has not been any known effect with regular instant release nicotinic acid(not saying that it wouldn't happen... just saying). However, neo unless you suffer from dyslipidemia or some type of hypercholesterolemia I really don't see the need for that high a dosage. We're talking therapeutic dosages prescribe for such cases by physicians, why take it if your perfectly healthy.
    Kewl did you read this Prld?

    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    As for artery dilation and form.... who knows, I highly doubt the short term blood rush would be enough to elicit anything above what you would see normally.
    Was just a thought with no science behind it but it does dilate blood vessels etc so.....
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Thanks man, and yes we do, please don't forget half the world is "Americanized" I am going to pick up some of that Salymarin then or NAC after researching it.



    It didn't I got my results back from my bloodtest telling me I have some problem areas.

    1. Blood sugar possible pre diabetes ( most likely not but we'll see )

    2. Cholesterol - Bad cholesterol values

    3. BP

    4. Liver values.

    This is all from being a fat lazy f*cker for many years including having a sitdown job and loving bacon n eggs . So now I'm taking the steps to resolve this.

    This is where the Niacin comes into play because of my cholesterol. I read where Niacin in reasonably large doses reduced bad chol, raised good and boosted IGF-1 if taken on an empty stomach. I also drink orange juice and am going to start capping cinnamon which will also help with blood sugar issue.

    That's why I got the idea about Niacin "possibly" helping absorbtion via the flush / capillary system opening up....just a thought.



    Kewl did you read this Prld?



    Was just a thought with no science behind it but it does dilate blood vessels etc so.....
    Just keep in mind that it dilates blood vessels, it doesn't dilate skin layers. So for penatration and absorption I doubt it'll be anything substantial, buuuuuut you could try it and see how it works.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  7. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Kewl did you read this Prld?
    Niacin has been used for hypercholesterol since the 50's, as aside from statins it's one of the only other things to offer statistically significant effects in each and every trial run.... so your theory is spot on with the intended effects. I question the authors advice on offering niacinamide for the same effects in hopes of avoiding adverse sides with nicotinic acid. There has been no studies done with niacinamide which indicates it lowers lipids whatsoever... so how they got that conclusion I don't know.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  8. Currently taking 2g's of niacin now & 6 Leviathan, do people get an 'on' feeling with Leviathan?

  9. It's a pretty darn good thermogenic.... definetly makes you feel like moving some weight.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  10. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Currently taking 2g's of niacin now & 6 Leviathan, do people get an 'on' feeling with Leviathan?
    I get really warm....never shaky, even @ 8 a day I didnt..haha...

  11. Quote Originally Posted by john123131 View Post
    I get really warm....never shaky, even @ 8 a day I didnt..haha...
    I'm at 6 a day. I know what you mean by warm. It was hard to tell in the beginning because I was dosing it at the same time as the Niacin. Both are working wonderfully.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    I'm at 6 a day. I know what you mean by warm. It was hard to tell in the beginning because I was dosing it at the same time as the Niacin. Both are working wonderfully.

    good to hear C....is it hot as hell up in ONT. right now?...its sooo humid here its gross....one nice day, one humid day where I sweat all f-ing day, then sun again...crazy weather. Think the ocean would help with a breeze...naw....sucks

  13. Yes it's crazy hot. Good thing I hide away all day in the AC

  14. Updated with current details added to OP

  15. You said you were gonna get some blood values. I'd be particularly interested to see if there were effects from the form.

    Neo, any sides? Palpitations, irritability/anxiety, and interference with sleep patterns are sides that are hit or miss for me with form.

  16. I am going to get blood still after tapering down to zero on day 30. How long should I wait after that for blood?

    Sides to begin with because I upped the dose quickly and had wonderful ( I actually like the on feeling ) palpitations, other than that no sides whatsoever unless you call having huge lovely balls and a libido again sides

    Much Love,

    Neoborn.

  17. I'd ask prld and bigT on appropriate time frame to get the blood drawn. I see john and mace are subbed and they are also much more experienced than me. I have a pretty good idea but would like to defer to more experienced sources.

    Re the palpitations,to each his own I guess

  18. Honestly would wait the length of time on before getting the blood drawn. 30 days or so.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  19. Nooooooooo I can't wait that long Have to start my DS Activate Extreme log How about a week

    Much Love,

    Neoborn

  20. Honestly at a week results would probably still be off a little, if your planning the DS stack then try to wait at least 2(but you got to do what you got to do).
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  21. ok 2 it is . It's gonna be tough. Man I am having such a hard time with not doing my Epi pulse run It's calling my name from the fridge, taunting me every day, telling me how big I am gonna get, how cut n sexy I will look, can't take much more.......cann't tttttt....aakkkke .....muchhhhhhhhh.....morrrrrr rrrrrrreeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    ok 2 it is . It's gonna be tough. Man I am having such a hard time with not doing my Epi pulse run It's calling my name from the fridge, taunting me every day, telling me how big I am gonna get, how cut n sexy I will look, can't take much more.......cann't tttttt....aakkkke .....muchhhhhhhhh.....morrrrrr rrrrrrreeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
    Hmm now that you are an IBE rep, and will have access to real epistane, what are you going to do with the epidrol?

    Dang 6 leviathan a day eh? I was pondering that for my PAL contest, not sure whether i'm allowed Whats your weight down to? And did you find a job again? I don't remember seeing you post anything on that.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Hmm now that you are an IBE rep, and will have access to real epistane, what are you going to do with the epidrol?

    Dang 6 leviathan a day eh? I was pondering that for my PAL contest, not sure whether i'm allowed Whats your weight down to? And did you find a job again? I don't remember seeing you post anything on that.
    neo's a rep? congratulations bro, you've earned it. but i too am interested in what you're stats are from this. 6 levi isnt that bad, after tolerance build up i think most people do around 6. neo this is just me, but i would go right into the act- x and stay on the form. lots of guys who have logged ae seem to think activatex/form would be great together. good luck buddy.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  24. [QUOTE=EasyEJL;986126]Hmm now that you are an IBE rep, and will have access to real epistane, what are you going to do with the epidrol?

    Dang 6 leviathan a day eh? I was pondering that for my PAL contest, not sure whether i'm allowed Whats your weight down to? And did you find a job again? I don't remember seeing you post anything on that.[/Q

    I am going to pulse the Epidrol and then continue on with Epistane if I need to. I got the Epidrol for testing purposes and will fullfill that, that was I can give a good comparison.

    Yeah I was doing 6 Leviathan but didn't really have an "on" feeling as such though I am now more defined and lost a few pounds I'm sure. I am still hovering around 226 but the bf% has dropped i.e. classic recomp.

    I have a new job I am starting on the 10th sept as a Customer Service Rep for a credit card services company. Not bad pay, benefits after 30 days and ten to twenty minutes from my front door, amen! Beats driving for 2 - 4 hrs a day for my last job

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    neo's a rep? congratulations bro, you've earned it. but i too am interested in what you're stats are from this. 6 levi isnt that bad, after tolerance build up i think most people do around 6. neo this is just me, but i would go right into the act- x and stay on the form. lots of guys who have logged ae seem to think activatex/form would be great together. good luck buddy.
    Thanks for the thanks . Please see above note to Easy. I cannot go straight into Activate Ex as I have agreed to be a tester with bloodwork and this would skew the test results for them otherwise I would have fo sho!.

    Have you guys stopped your Transdermal Form and noticed your skin being really really dry for a while, I have that, may not be Form etc maybe just city water with more chemicals.

    Much Love,

    Neoborn

  25. no its the form. vit.e oil about 5-10 minutes after applying or at night will oil u rite up. izza:
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