Travis' Primordial Performance's Dermacrine + Epidrol Synergy Log

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Wow got a good nights sleep and weight was up again this morning. Still felt pretty rundown during the workout tonight. Ear ache has been giving me headaches and ****. Much better today then yesterday though.



    Dosing right now is 4 pumps Dermacrine every morning. 10mg Epidrol in the morning, 20mg pre-workout, and 10mg's pwo.

    Legs tonight:

    Did the squat rocker thingy again
    5x8 worked up to 8 rep max on the thing
    Wide stance squats
    4x8 135/145/165/185
    Leg Extention
    4x10
    Ham Curls
    4x8 worked up to 190
    Calf Raise
    2x10 2 plates

    Felt pretty ****ty all workout. Need some more food and sleep. izza:
    Are you still pulsing?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    Are you still pulsing?
    Right now sorta. The first week I took 30mg Mon-Fri, then off Sat & Sun. This week I have taken 40mg's everyday and I may just keep taking the same dosage everyday from here on out. I am only going 4 maybe 5 weeks. Need to decide though...
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Some guys have been putting it on their balls and say that it will last longer b/c of the higher absorption rate. I believe that to probably be somewhat true.
    Yeah, odd but true.

    The scrotum actually gets about 3x more absorption compared to any other skin on the body. It’s a good way to get a nice little “boost” from what I hear.

    BTW, the “run down” feeling may be a result of you experiencing semi-insomnia from the epidrol. You may want to consider running just in the early parts of the day if you arnt doing that already.

    -Pp

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Right now sorta. The first week I took 30mg Mon-Fri, then off Sat & Sun. This week I have taken 40mg's everyday and I may just keep taking the same dosage everyday from here on out. I am only going 4 maybe 5 weeks. Need to decide though...
    Just wondering because i saw you took some in the morning too

  5. Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    Just wondering because i saw you took some in the morning too
    Yeah, I am just running this everyday though out the cycle.

    BTW, yesterday weight was 213.5 then this morning it was 212.5 so still keeping the cals high.

    Yesterday I worked Back and a lil bi's:

    Rack pulls 5x6 started at 225 and worked up to 315 with the pin set about 2 inches below the knees.
    Cable wide grip row 4x8 stack
    Lat pulldown 4x8
    Single arm cable row 4x8

    Pull ups superset w/ incline seated DB curls 3 sets
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  6. Weight this morning = 212.5lbs


    So I got a lot of sleep this weekend and I had a great workout today. Still using 4 pumps of Dermacrine every morning. I upped my epidrol dosage to 50mg's as of today. 20mg's in the morning, 10mg's at lunch, 10mg's pre-wo, and 10mg's pwo.

    Just did arms today, nothing special but the weights were up all around and I felt very aggressive. Like so agressive that I found myself talking **** to the weights as I lifted them....

    BTW, the Dermacrine seems to be helping libido a lot. Its as strong as ever and by this time my last havoc/epidrol cycle I didnt have a very good one.

    I have noticed some shedding but nothing big so I picked up some 1% nizoral today. I'll begin using that tomorrow.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    So I got a lot of sleep this weekend and I had a great workout today. Still using 4 pumps of Dermacrine every morning. I upped my epidrol dosage to 50mg's as of today. 20mg's in the morning, 10mg's at lunch, 10mg's pre-wo, and 10mg's pwo.

    Just did arms today, nothing special but the weights were up all around and I felt very aggressive. Like so agressive that I found myself talking **** to the weights as I lifted them....

    BTW, the Dermacrine seems to be helping libido a lot. Its as strong as ever and by this time my last havoc/epidrol cycle I didnt have a very good one.

    I have noticed some shedding but nothing big so I picked up some 1% nizoral today. I'll begin using that tomorrow.
    To confirm, your last Epi cycle was only Havoc correct?....if so, how would you compare the Epidrol to Havoc at this point?...better or the same?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Cordeen View Post
    To confirm, your last Epi cycle was only Havoc correct?....if so, how would you compare the Epidrol to Havoc at this point?...better or the same?
    I would have to say at this point the Epidrol is better than Havoc.
    Libido is higher, much higher. Workouts are very aggressive. I did get sick for a few days on my Havoc cycle so that may have slowed things. So far my weight is going up much fast with the Epidrol+Dermacrine combo.

    Then again I am using the Dermacrine for all the negatives I experienced using Havoc. So I have to give the Derm some mad props so far. Oh and I should have mentioned the weight gain doesnt appear to be much fat!

    I forgot to weight myself this morning, but still had a great workout tonight. Did shoulders:

    DB Mil Press 5x8 worked up to 65's
    underhand front raises 4x10
    One arm side raises 4x10
    Smith machine press 3x10

    Then did BB shrugs 4x10 finished with 385lbs

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    I would have to say at this point the Epidrol is better than Havoc.
    Libido is higher, much higher. Workouts are very aggressive. I did get sick for a few days on my Havoc cycle so that may have slowed things. So far my weight is going up much fast with the Epidrol+Dermacrine combo.

    Then again I am using the Dermacrine for all the negatives I experienced using Havoc. So I have to give the Derm some mad props so far. Oh and I should have mentioned the weight gain doesnt appear to be much fat!

    I forgot to weight myself this morning, but still had a great workout tonight. Did shoulders:

    DB Mil Press 5x8 worked up to 65's
    underhand front raises 4x10
    One arm side raises 4x10
    Smith machine press 3x10

    Then did BB shrugs 4x10 finished with 385lbs
    Good stuff man! Keep it up!

  10. Not lifting today. Must have tweaked something in the gym yesterday b/c I am not able to turn my head to the left quickly and my left upper trap and neck are really sore. Doesnt feel to serious but figured a day off and a bunch of cissus was necessary.

    Oh, and btw weight this morning was 214lbs!!
  11. stacking with the dermacrine


    It's interesting that you feel as though the negatives of the Havoc/Epidrol (since they are the same stuff really) have been allevieated by the Dermacrine.

    I was thinking about taking Orastan-E (Gaspari) while on the Dermacrine. I want to stay away from the methylated stuff and go with something a little safer.

    What do you all think would be a good combo with:

    1. Dermacrine
    2. Dermacrine Sustain post cycle.

    I was also thinking about taking Carbolin 19 (anavar wannabe) continuosly and ZMA at night.

    Also thinking about using SizeOn and SuperPump from Gaspari.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bo0omer View Post
    It's interesting that you feel as though the negatives of the Havoc/Epidrol (since they are the same stuff really) have been allevieated by the Dermacrine.

    I was thinking about taking Orastan-E (Gaspari) while on the Dermacrine. I want to stay away from the methylated stuff and go with something a little safer.

    What do you all think would be a good combo with:

    1. Dermacrine
    2. Dermacrine Sustain post cycle.

    I was also thinking about taking Carbolin 19 (anavar wannabe) continuosly and ZMA at night.

    Also thinking about using SizeOn and SuperPump from Gaspari.
    Boom, honestly I am not that familiar with some of the unmethylated stuff. I know epidrol/havoc/epistane are relatively mild methylated compounds. I would just suggest reading threw the threads on here and see what fits you best. I think the Dermacrine would be great with just about any oral out there. Seems to keep things steady for me.

    I doubt Carbolin is anything like anavar result wise but Im sure it wouldnt be harmful during cycle. I however would pry use it in PCT, but I dont know much about it so I'm just throwing that out there. ZMA is good shat all the time.

  13. BTW, just an update but weight is staying between 214 and 215 the last couple days. My neck feels fine (a lil tight), but I did chest and tri's yesterday. Pumps are lasting into the day and I feel very aggressive. Lethargy is still an issue at times but not too bad. I'll update again later today with my workout from tonight.
  14. Weight this morning = 214.5lbs


    Things are still going good. Weight has stalled, but that is probably due to my diet lately. I havent eaten as much the past week and a half so I need to get back on that. Some days I look in the mirror and think I am making progress, and other days not so much....not real sure. Thinking about making this last 5 weeks though.

    Still applying 4 pumps Dermacrine every morning, upped the dosage of Epidrol today to 50mgs. Libido is still great, and today I felt very "on", even at work which is where most of my lethargy has been lately. Sides are virtually non-existent!

    Just did arms today:

    BW Dips
    Close Grip elbows in DB press
    Reverse grip smith mach press
    tri kick backs

    Seated BB curl
    DB Hammer curl
    reverse grip one arm cable curls
  15. appetite stimulant....


    Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Things are still going good. Weight has stalled, but that is probably due to my diet lately. I havent eaten as much the past week and a half so I need to get back on that. Some days I look in the mirror and think I am making progress, and other days not so much....not real sure. Thinking about making this last 5 weeks though.

    Still applying 4 pumps Dermacrine every morning, upped the dosage of Epidrol today to 50mgs. Libido is still great, and today I felt very "on", even at work which is where most of my lethargy has been lately. Sides are virtually non-existent!

    Just did arms today:

    BW Dips
    Close Grip elbows in DB press
    Reverse grip smith mach press
    tri kick backs

    Seated BB curl
    DB Hammer curl
    reverse grip one arm cable curls

    How has the appetite been? Most guys get ravenous hunger after a couple weeks on the Dermacrine.

    -Pp
  16. Weight this morning = 215.5lbs


    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    How has the appetite been? Most guys get ravenous hunger after a couple weeks on the Dermacrine.

    -Pp
    It's been off and on. I usually struggle to bulk though it seems I am a bit of an ectomorph....or at least my appetite is.

    My weight inched up so that is a good thing. Yesterday I had a pretty ****ty workout and didnt even feel like posting. Today was another story, got on the stims before the gym and did legs:

    ATG Squat
    6 sets worked up to 295x2
    Single Leg Step ups
    Holding 40's 3x10
    50's 1x10

    Squat rocker thingy 4x8
    Ham curls 4x8

    Standing calf raises

    :squat: :squat: :squat: :squat:

    I do seem to be packing on some size now. Specifically in the traps and arms. Which is good cause my goal was to gain some arm size. I'll maybe post some progress pics Friday when a girl friend brings over a digital camera. Should be better than the starting pics.
  17. No more pulsing


    So you have completely waxed the pulsing idea by this time?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bo0omer View Post
    So you have completely waxed the pulsing idea by this time?
    Yeah bro, I dropped the pulse after about week 1. I really think pulsing would be better with a stronger compound like superdrol or M1T. This compound is so mild even at high doses.

    Oh, and oddly this morning i weighed in at 220.5lbs! Not sure where that 5 pound jump came in but I'll take it....maybe water who knows.

    :bb3:

  19. Just a quick update. Weight is holding between 216-220. Didnt lift the last couple days as I have come down with a pretty bad cold. I am shoveling in vit E & C and pinning B12 to help fight it.

    On a good note, I ran into a bunch of old college friends who havent seen me in 3+ years. I got an unbelievable amount of compliments on my size/transformation. Obviously they were not based on just this cycle but it was motivating. The last time most of these friends saw me I was about 140-150lbs.

  20. hmmm good stuff......................... .......have you repped gwen lately???????????????????????? ?????
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  21. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    hmmm good stuff......................... .......have you repped gwen lately???????????????????????? ?????
    Im so whored out to all you guyz all the time. I do love Gwen, but Im a much bigger Rihanna fan.



    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TripDog again.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Im so whored out to all you guyz all the time. I do love Gwen, but Im a much bigger Rihanna fan.



    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TripDog again.
    You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2
  23. Weight this morning = 218lbs


    Hit shoulders yesterday and legs again today. I am now into week 5 of this cycle. Honestly I still seem to be making gains in terms of weight and strength however I dont see it in the mirror.

    I am basically running this until my Dermacrine runs out. I must have not been using enough because I still have a few days worth left in the bottle and it states you should have enough for 30 days. I also upped my Epidrol dosage to 70mgs as of today. No sides to speak of except a little shedding! I am still not too excited about ending this cycle.....I dont like being NOT ON ya know!


  24. i hate to break it to ya but from what i have gathered epi products arent gonna give you results like you want....i mean i love ibe more than my own family,but epi is garbage!
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  25. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    i hate to break it to ya but from what i have gathered epi products arent gonna give you results like you want....i mean i love ibe more than my own family,but epi is garbage!
    Yeah I hear ya. I just wasnt ready to pin and didnt feel like killng my liver...I think I'm there now. Test will almost for sure be part of my next cycle.

    P.S. I dont do steroids. This is all just a joke.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Couple pics. Little bloated already from bulkin, should be a fat day at the beach tomorrow, lol. May add more later...this camera phone sucks btw...
    Travis, you look so different in your pics than you do in your avater...


  27. [QUOTE=Travis;987253]Hit shoulders yesterday and legs again today. I am now into week 5 of this cycle. Honestly I still seem to be making gains in terms of weight and strength however I dont see it in the mirror. [QUOTE]

    I never made huge weight gains but I did see good strength gains and I definitely added some lean muscle on this stuff.

    Have you felt much in the way of increased sex drive or aggression. I feel it pretty strong when I'm on this stuff.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    i hate to break it to ya but from what i have gathered epi products arent gonna give you results like you want....i mean i love ibe more than my own family,but epi is garbage!
    I dunno if i'd say garbage since it seems to work ok for gyno, not exactly a huge mass builder tho. at $35-40, its cheaper than most decent AIs

  29. Quote Originally Posted by DMac View Post
    I never made huge weight gains but I did see good strength gains and I definitely added some lean muscle on this stuff.

    Have you felt much in the way of increased sex drive or aggression. I feel it pretty strong when I'm on this stuff.
    Yeah, it seems like strength gains are really coming along now in the 4 and 5th week. Last time I used havoc I really didnt experience much in terms of strength but my cycle was lower dosed and shorter.

    Sex drive has been awesome...but I actually attribute that to the Dermacrine cause it seems higher during the day when I am dosing the Epidrol lower. I really like the Dermacrine, and I'm pretty excited about using Sustain in my PCT.

    Today I definitely had that ON feeling. I had a great workout in terms of aggressiveness. Weight this morning was 219.5 so I am definitely doing right on my bulk. I'll pry wait until PCT is over to get my BF tested again.


  30. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    at $35-40, its cheaper than most decent AIs
    not where i get em...
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2
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