[rothyman]

First of all, I'm 21. I've never used a PH in my life, been clean as a whistle. I've been educating myself around the forums (just signed up for this one) for 3 or 4 years now. I'm 5'8 175lbs. I've recently just switched to a 5x5 routine to increase my major lifts (so far so good

Goals - To gain lean mass and vascularity, preferably no bloat. A reachable goal I would think would be 6 - 8lbs

Diet - Just above maintenance, all clean proteins (chicken, fish) and not too many carbs.

Epistane
Week 1 – 20mg (10mg first day)
Week 2 – 30 mg
Week 3 – 30mg
Week 4 – 30/40mg depending on side-effects

DHEA
Week 1 - 100mg
Week 2 - 200mg
Week 3 - 200mg
Week 4 - 200mg

Support Supps
Cycle Support (1 week pre-load and during cycle)
Fish Oil 3g/day
Taurine 2-3g/day
Multi
Sesamin 1g/day

post cycle therapy
Toremifene
First 4 Days – 120mg
Week 2 – 90mg
Week 3 – 60mg
Week 4 – 30mg (If needed)

SNS Reduce XT
Week 1 – 3 Caps
Week 2 – 3 Caps
Week 3 – 3 Caps
Week 4 – 3 Caps

NO Product
Creatine
Xtend
Cycle Support

[rothyman]

Day 2
Starting Weight - 173
Current Weight - 173

Chest/Tris
Today was a sub-par day in the gym. Going in I had major pumps and a great feeling about my workout. Soon enough, muscle soreness set in and while I still had pumps, I didn't feel so ontop of the world anymore. This was strange considering I rested a lot this week, working out only 2 days of the 5. Anyways -

DB Press
5x120
5x140
5x160
5x180
3x190

Incline DB Press
5x100
5x120
5x140
5x160
4x170

Dec DB Flies
50x12
60x10
70x8

Dips (till failure)
20x
16x

Skullcrushers
55x12
65x10
75x8

Reverse Grip Pushdowns
80x12
90x10
110x8

So far, not bad. Took 20mg the first day and I felt minor tightness in my back,which taurine relieved.

I'm thinking about just ramping up to 30/30/30/40 for the rest of my cycle since I'm seeing some good results through that on the forums. Only thing I'm hesitant about is shutdown. I feel the more I take over 4 weeks, the worse shutdown will be. Anyone want to chime in on whether it's ok to ramp up to 30?

[hardestgainer]

what u dosing the dhea at?

[rothyman]

what u dosing the dhea at?

Sorry I'm going to edit my first post.

100mg First Week
200mg Till end through pct

[hardestgainer]

why the dhea? just curious

[Werewolf]

Sorry I'm going to edit my first post.

100mg First Week
200mg Till end through post cycle therapy

You want to get DHEA down below 101 mgs before last week on post cycle therapy. It is suppressive at amounts above that. Usually a 21 year old isn't going see much benefit from DHEA off-cycle.

[neoborn]

/subbed

[rothyman]

why the dhea? just curious

Redivision posted a solid Epistane/DHEA log on BB.com. I've heard it helps with libido/joints. Is there any reason I shouldn't be taking DHEA?

[Werewolf]

Redivision posted a solid Epistane/DHEA log on BB.com. I've heard it helps with libido/joints. Is there any reason I shouldn't be taking DHEA?

DHEA is useful for producing estrogen on cycle, it also produces testosterone. It should not be used on cycles that produce a lot estrogen all ready (wet steriods). Yes, it can help with libido and joints. Epistane is not a wet steriod. Epistane is actually going to try to block the estrogen so I don't know how the two are going to work together. DHEA is also helpful keeping white blood cell counts up and LDL levels up from the estrogen produced when on an estrogen reducing cycle.

[hardestgainer]

DHEA is useful for producing estrogen on cycle, it also produces testosterone. It should not be used on cycles that produce a lot estrogen all ready (wet steriods). Yes, it can help with libido and joints. Epistane is not a wet steriod. Epistane is actually going to try to block the estrogen so I don't know how the two are going to work together. DHEA is also helpful keeping white blood cell counts up and LDL levels up from the estrogen produced when on an estrogen reducing cycle.

Awesome, thanks man. I am going to be running epi soon so i was wondering about the dhea.

[Variocam]

Id go for more than 4 weeks, thats really short. Epistane is supposed to be pretty mild.

I did superdrol for 3 for my first cycle and still regret it. I think you have to be on it for awhile to guarantee that you keep alot of the gains when you go off.

[hardestgainer]

Id go for more than 4 weeks, thats really short. Epistane is supposed to be pretty mild.

I did superdrol for 3 for my first cycle and still regret it. I think you have to be on it for awhile to guarantee that you keep alot of the gains when you go off.

hahah, that's funny

[rothyman]

Id go for more than 4 weeks, thats really short. Epistane is supposed to be pretty mild.

I did superdrol for 3 for my first cycle and still regret it. I think you have to be on it for awhile to guarantee that you keep alot of the gains when you go off.

I appreciate the advice, but I've seen countless logs of guys going on for 4 weeks and keeping everything through PCT. Although you might think epistane is "mild", different drugs effect different people in different ways.

As for Superdrol, I might sound like a *****, but I'd never do a cycle of that stuff. I've heard it's so bad for you, why not just do regular gear?

[rothyman]

Day 3

Current Wt : 172lbs

10mg Before Workout
10mg Tonight

Overall good day @ the gym. Set some PRs. Had some minor back pumps during my workout. Also, I noticed my heart was beating a little faster earlier this morning after my 10mg.

Deadlift
195x5
205x5
225x5
275x5
315x5 PR!

Bent Over BB Rows
95x5
115x5
135x5
155x5
185x5 PR!

Lat. Pulldowns
70x6
100x6
130x6
160x6 PR!

[Solitude]

rothyman

Are you using IBE Epistane or Genera Supplements Epidrol?

[rothyman]

rothyman

Are you using IBE Epistane or Genera Supplements Epidrol?

Epistane

[rothyman]

Day 4

Weight - 172

Not much to report. I've been taking 20mg for 4 days now and I think I'm going to up the dose to 30 tomorrow. I don't want to rush the cycle, but I do feel that boosting it to 30 would be alright. I've seen guys running 30/30/40/40 cycles all over the forums.

Side Effects - Minor Back Pumps
Minor Acne

[LakeMountD]

Yeah bumping to 30mg would be fine. I will say that 20mg takes a little longer to kick in but 20 or 30 give it a week and you'll be rollin . Epistane is very sensitive to calories, so continue to up your cals until you get the desired weight gain. It does a pretty good job of keeping you lean!

[rothyman]

Day 5

Weight : 173

Dosage : 20mg Pre-Workout (11am), 10mg Dinner (6PM)
DHEA - 100mg 11am, 100mg 6pm

Today was the first day I noticed a strength increase. I decided to take 30mg yesterday, popping a 10mg before I went to bed. I got up today feeling great, and took 20mg before I went to the gym. I felt a decent pump and definitely a small strength increase at the gym.

Shoulders/Biceps/Squats

DB Shoulder Press
90x12
110x10
130x7
140x4

DB Frontal Raises
20x12
25x10
30x8
35x5

Bent Over Rows (Hands over grip)
95x12
115x10
135x8
155x6

Military Presses (Behind Neck)
95x12
115x10
135x8
155x4

Concentration Curls
25x12
30x10
35x8

Alt. Inc. DB Curls
20x12
25x10
30x8

Squats
175x20

Sides - None except for minor acne, getting a little bit worse.

[neoborn]

Keep up the good work

[metroba]

Sheesh you have some really impressive lifts..subbed and repped

[rothyman]

Day 6

Weight - 175 (+2)

Dosage : 10mg 11AM, 10mg 5PM, 10mg 11PM
DHEA - 100mg 11am, 100mg 5pm

Update - I took 2 days off of Epi. I had an important event that inevitably involved drinking, therefore I decided to play it safe. Anyways I didn't lift today but I took 30mg spread out through the day. After a week, I'm very satisfied with my results. I've yet to have a negative side effect, with the exception of some back pain when drinking last night (no more alcohol for me on cycle). I'm up 2lbs and I feel a little stronger and leaner. Nothing spectacular, but it's there.

Tomorrow is chest, so hopefully I'll see some gains unless the past few days wore me out.

Sides - Some back pumps/pain when drinking lastnight. I'm not touching alcohol again till the cycle is over.

[rothyman]

Sheesh you have some really impressive lifts..subbed and repped

Thanks.. I never really thought I was so great in the strength category, but I appreciate the compliment. I'm happy with my size, but the real reason I'm on this cycle is for strength.

[rothyman]

Day 8

So I'm a week into my cycle and I'm wondering when things are going to start kicking in. I'm still around 173/175 fluctuating. As far as vascularity goes, I look about the same. I've seen little/no strength increase even when going 20mg pre-workout. Yesterday I was hoping to have a diesel CHEST day @ the gym, but it turned out to be one of my worst workouts in awhile.

My caloric intake is around 2800 and I'm splitting 40/40/20. I'm drinking plenty of water everyday. I'm going to up my protein intake a bit to see if things change.

Also, I'm changing my cycle as long as sides aren't bad.

Wk1 - 20mg
Wk2 - 30mg
Wk3 - 40mg
Wk4 - 40mg/50mg

Could the 200mg of DHEA/day have a negative effect with the epistane? If anyone has any pointers let me know. Then again, I could be expecting too much from a mild steroid, but I have seen no improvement in the gym thus far.

Oh yeah, and I think the joint dryness is kicking in. My back/elbows/shoulders have been sore all the time the past 3 or 4 days. When I was benching yesterday, I had to stop on my last set due to soreness near my armpits/shoulders/arms. It really pissed me off because my chest wasn't even worn down, but my shoulders and arms were! This makes NO SENSE at all, being that my chest has always been a weaker part of me and my arms have always been gigantic in comparison. I'm thinking about buying some cissus tomorrow if they sell them at local nutrition stores

[beebab]

nice log so far, subb'd. also, nice lifts I must say. You can push up 140 lb dumbbells in the shoulder press? Thats good **** bro, very impressive. you gonna post any pics?