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    Prop Pulsed: All the cool people are doing it!


    OK, some of you knew this was coming, and the time has finally arrived! To my knowledge, this is the first ever solo pulse of Propadrol logged on AM. Thanks to those who helped design this cycle, especially Celc5 and Dr. D. Your insight was priceless.

    I have no prior steroid or prohormone experience, so I hope this serves as a clean slate from which we can all learn more about Propadrol. I chose Propadrol for the low occurance of side effects and because I was intrigued by the inclusion of an anti-e compound. Plus it fits well with my goal of a clean bulk. I chose the pulse method because of the promise of getting most of the benefits with less sides. Hopefully I have come up with a clean, safe cycle plan which will yield 5-10 pounds of LBM that stick around.

    Stats

    28 years old, 60, 182lbs
    I will measure BF this weekend and update, but believe to be between 15 20% (hopefully closer to 15%!)

    10 years weight training, including 4 years as a D1 college athlete

    Supplement History

    Arginine AKG
    NO Xplode
    Creatine Monohydrate
    Lipo-6 (not 6x)
    Dymetadrine Extreme
    Glutamine
    BCAA
    Tribulus
    DHEA
    Whey Protein


    Cycle

    Week1 = Propadrol (60mg-MWF)
    Week2 = Propadrol (60mg-MWF)
    Week3 = Propadrol (60mg-MWF)
    Week4 = Propadrol (60mg-MWF)

    Doses will be 30mg pre w/o and 30mg post w/o. No plan to go to 90mg at this time. If the first 4 weeks go well, I will consider extending the pulse up to 2 additional weeks.

    Support Supps

    Restore (3 caps on off days), NAC (600+mg ED), SuperCissus, BCAA, Glutamine, Whey Protein, Creatine Mono (cycled 3 days on, 3 days off), Multi-V

    Quasi post cycle therapy

    6-OXO (ramp up from 100mg ED to 300-400, then ramp back down to 100mg), DHEA (100mg ED and taper to 50mg), SuperCissus as needed, NAC (600+mg ED), BCAA, Glutamine, Whey Protein, Creatine Mono (cycled 3 days on, 3 days off), Multi-V

    Typical Diet

    Since I am targeting a clean bulk, I am only eating a few hundred calories above maintenance. There is some variation because of cycling the creatine, but this is basically it.

    Approx. 3100 calories / day
    Approx. 350g protein / day

    Example:
    Pre w/o Protein shake w/ glutamine
    Post w/o Protein shake w/ glutamine and BCAA
    30 min. post w/o Cereal w/ skim milk
    1.5 hrs. post w/o Protein bar
    2.5 hrs. post w/o Protein shake
    Lunch Chicken breast w/ 2c green beans
    Snack Oatmeal w/ flax seed. String cheese
    Late Afternoon Protein shake
    Dinner Chicken breast w/ 2c green beans
    Bedtime Protein shake

    Weekdays start with lifting at 5:15AM. Protein shakes are made with water. I won't list every day's diet but will briefly comment.


    Workout

    Max OT is my preferred workout. However, I have a couple nagging injuries (left knee and lower back) which require that I modify some exercises. For at least the next 4 weeks, this is my schedule:

    Monday Back and Traps
    Tuesday Shoulders
    Wednesday Legs
    Thursday Biceps, Forearms, Abs
    Friday Chest and Triceps

    Ill cover individual exercises as I begin the log on Monday, 7/2.

    Come along for the ride!

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    If all the cool people jumped off a building, would you do that too...hmm ECTO???

    Good luck...I'm in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewilman View Post
    If all the cool people jumped off a building, would you do that too...hmm ECTO???

    Good luck...I'm in.

    Only if it resulted in bigger muscles!

    Nice to see you Wilman. Hope you enjoy the log.
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    A couple of additional pieces of information:

    1 - I am coming back after a 2 month injury lay-off. I started back into the gym this week and felt pretty good but, like I said previously, I still have some issues to work around.

    2 - My water intake is min. 1 gallon per day, but usually closer to 2 gallons.

    3 - I will be doing Max OT Cardio (basically it's a 16 min. version of HIIT) on weekends, once Sat. and once Sun. If I'm really feeling good, I may throw in a Tues. or Thurs. night session, but I doubt it. I hate cardio.

    Word...
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    I thought you were going to pulse test propionate...thank god i was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    I thought you were going to pulse test propionate...thank god i was wrong.
    Yep, you were wrong. Not much point in pulsing an injectable.

    Getting this started tomorrow. If I miss a day, I'll catch up shortly after, so keep checking back!

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    Good luck. I'm a physical therapist so, if you have questions about training around injuries, let me know.
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    Day 1


    Dosed 30mg of Propadrol pre w/o with Super Cissus, 600mg of NAC and my protein shake. Went to the gym at about 5:30 AM. Official starting weight is 182. Dosed another 30mg of Prop along with fish oil, multi-v, and post w/o shake right after I finished my lift.

    Workout

    Back & Traps
    Lat Pulldowns
    6x190, 6x190, 4x200

    V-Grip Pulldowns
    6x160, 6x170, 4x180

    T-Bar Rows
    4x135, 4x135

    Barbell Shrugs
    6x315, 6x335, 5x335

    Summary

    I didnt feel sh*t on the first day. But I did see some increased vascularity and a little more pump than usual. Plus my workout went well. Pulldowns felt pretty good. I would have liked to get another rep or 2 on the first set of T-Bar Rows, but I think I was already a little blitzed from the pulldowns. Shrugs were great as usual, except I had a little discomfort in my lower back. I really dont want to irritate that disc too much, so I may abandon the Max OT rules on this exercise in the future.

    Diet has been spot on so far today, despite having to drive 2.5 hours round trip for a 20 minute meeting this morning.

    No sides to report, of course. Well see if I feel anything on Wed. when I dose again for leg day. Shoulders tomorrow and 3 caps of Restore.

    Other starting measurements:

    Right Arm 14.0
    Chest 38.0
    Waist 33.5
    Hips 33.0
    Right Thigh 22.0

    Verdict
    Nothing really to report so far. However, I can already give some props for SuperCissus Rx. I took 2 doses yesterday to see if it would help my back and knee on its own and then another dose this morning. This stuff certainly works quickly! Well see how its working a couple weeks from now, but Im happy so far.

    Now if youll excuse me, I have to eat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    I really dont want to irritate that disc too much, so I may abandon the Max OT rules on this exercise in the future.
    Your instincts are correct. Training guidelines are just that, guidelines. Make the change right away as necessary. Maybe prone incline dumbell shrugs to take the tension off of your back?

    Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    I can already give some props for SuperCissus Rx. ... This stuff certainly works quickly!
    Cissus has an analgesic (pain relief) effect for the first few days. Even if that effect wears off, continue to take it as you planned to get the potential tissue repair effects. I'm getting the best benefits in the last 5-10 days and I'm on week 10 of cissus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Your instincts are correct. Training guidelines are just that, guidelines. Make the change right away as necessary. Maybe prone incline dumbell shrugs to take the tension off of your back?



    Cissus has an analgesic (pain relief) effect for the first few days. Even if that effect wears off, continue to take it as you planned to get the potential tissue repair effects. I'm getting the best benefits in the last 5-10 days and I'm on week 10 of cissus.
    Yeah, I'm taking 2 doses per day right now and will continue at that dosage or slightly higher for at least 8 weeks. It's good stuff!

    For shrugs, I'll probably try going with lighter weight and higher reps next week and see how it feels.

    And I read your PM about Quasi-PCT. I've got to figure that one out, but I was thinking exactly what you were thinking about not ramping up the 6-oxo. I'll see if I can find more info.
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    I finally got some calipers to measure body fat % today.

    16.2%

    Shoulders tomorrow. Rock out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    Yep, you were wrong. Not much point in pulsing an injectable.

    Getting this started tomorrow. If I miss a day, I'll catch up shortly after, so keep checking back!

    I see.. and what about pulsing Suspension? It can have an equal 'active life' than some orals (possibly less than some). From the limited amount I know of this pulsing protocol, that would stand to reason.

    Prop is Propionate, if you must get sassy and shorten your oral's name, call it something else or you get the real heads around here excited.

    *sigh* I don't even know what Propadrol is. I am happily out of the loop.

    good luck in any event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    I see.. and what about pulsing Suspension? It can have an equal 'active life' than some orals (possibly less than some). From the limited amount I know of this pulsing protocol, that would stand to reason.

    Prop is Propionate, if you must get sassy and shorten your oral's name, call it something else or you get the real heads around here excited.

    *sigh* I don't even know what Propadrol is. I am happily out of the loop.

    good luck in any event.
    OK then... Can't change the name of the thread, so oh well.

    Propadrol = 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene 17 and

    6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate

    You're now in the loop. Welcome. And thanks for the "good luck." You too.
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    damn it, I wanted to be OUT of the loop.

    You don't need to change it, I was feigning gear snob.

    My the gods of anabolism sprinkle you with hypertrophic pixie dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    damn it, I wanted to be OUT of the loop.

    You don't need to change it, I was feigning gear snob.

    My the gods of anabolism sprinkle you with hypertrophic pixie dust.
    Now that's funny! Don't be mad at me if one day I decide to steal that last line for my signature.

    Cheers.
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    Day 2


    Took 3 doses of Restore today. One pre-w/o, one around lunch, and one around dinner time. Also took 2 doses of SuperCissus and all the supporting supps as planned.

    Workout

    Shoulders
    Military Press
    6x125, 5x135, 4x135

    DB Shoulder Press
    6x60, 5x60

    Side Lateral Raise
    6x35, 5x35

    Rear Lateral Raise
    6x25

    Summary

    Before anybody laughs at my military press, I should state that this has ALWAYS been a difficult exercise for me. For whatever reason, I just seem to struggle with it. Maybe this cycle will help me blow through that roadblock, but it didn't really today. Everything else was fine.

    Diet was right on, except I ate lunch a little later than usual. Water intake was around 1.5 gallons.

    I felt tired today and I've had a headache most of the day. Has anyone experienced either of those effects with Restore? The fatigue could be Propadrol, but I didn't have a headache until an hour or so after my workout. We'll see how I feel tomorrow.

    Verdict

    No libido problems or shrinkage, but I've only dosed one day. Still, I'm checking. Weighed in at 182.5. Up half a pound, which is probably water. Legs tomorrow and I'll have to take it easy on squats because my back is yelling at me. I should be able to kick some butt on everything else though.

    Happy 4th all! Be safe.
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    Day 3


    Dosed 30mg Propadrol pre w/o and another 30mg about 30 min. post w/o. Took all other support supps and added creatine today.

    Workout

    Legs
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    6x225, 6x245, 6x255

    Lying Leg Curl
    6x160, 6x170, 6x180

    Seated Calf Raise
    8x225, 8x235, 6x235

    45 Degree Calf Raise (one leg at a time, on leg press)
    8x315, 8x335

    Summary

    OK, I think the Propadrol kicked in some strength gains today! I still don't feel any different in the gym, but the lifts show me that something is going on. 255 is my PR for squat and that was 3 months ago. I've quickly gotten back to that level, despite a bum back and sore knee. 180 on leg curls is a PR by 10 pounds. I'm doing those because I can't do sldl with a bad back. Also equaled my PRs on both calf raise exercises. So, PRs all around!

    So far today, diet has been good. No work due to the holiday, so I'll have to stay focused on eating well while getting in some family time.

    I still feel tired as sh*t and have a headache. The funniest thing was that I woke up with a headache and had a headached driving to the gym. But as soon as I put my headphones on and got ready to lift, my headache went away. Then when I got home, the headache came back. Is there such a thing as "weight lifting withdrawal?"

    Verdict

    Weight is still 182.5. This lethargy is unexpected, as is the headache. If I can't function normally outside the gym and if I'm always cranking because my head hurts, then this is not worth it. I'll give it a few more days, but that's it. If these symptoms persist, I will have to terminate the pulse.

    Other than the crappy sides and increased stregth, I think I have also had some increased muscle hardness. Balls are fine and libido is normal. Time to eat again.
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    Waited until I got some solid food in my belly before I took my first dose of Restore. All other supps remained the same.

    Workout

    Biceps, Forearms, Abs
    Barbell Curls
    6x105, 5x105, 4x105

    Alternating DB Curls
    6x40, 6x45, 5x45

    Standing DB Wrist Curls
    6x60, 5x65, 5x65

    Incline Crunch
    12x5, 12x10, 12x10

    Chair Leg Raise
    12xBW, 12xBW, 12xBW

    Summary

    Got PR? Another solid workout today. I was a little disappointed I didnt get one more rep on the last set of barbell curls. But I made up for it by equaling my PR on DB curls. Then I equaled my PR on DB wrist curls too. Good stuff! I may have to start changing up my ab routine to get more weight into it. I started off light because of my back, but so far that hasnt been a problem and Im getting the full compliment of reps on each set. So, I need more weight!

    Diet is on so far and went pretty well yesterday too. I even avoided the ice cream my wife bought in favor of a protein shake.

    I still feel lethargic, but maybe not quite as bad today. Headache is letting up a bit too. Its still there, just less intense.

    Had sex last night and can say that I have no libido or performance problems whatsoever. And the wife liked it! ose:

    Verdict

    Weight is still 182.5. Its still early, but I am going to start ramping up the calories a little, since I have not gained so far. Im liking the strength in the gym, even on off days. If the headache continues to go away, then Ill be good to go for the rest of the scheduled pulse. Ive gotten some good PMs on this issue and will continue to look into it. Ill try to get a BP test soon as a precaution, but Im hoping the headache going away means it was just my body getting used to the compound. On the subject of lethargy, I know that is a reported side of several other compounds, but I havent seen any reports of it with Propadrol, which is why Im surprised by it. If anybody who I havent already talked to has any input, Id love to hear it. Thanks.
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    Done like dinner...


    Well folks, it's been fun... but not really. I am terminating my pulse of Propadrol due to lethargy and a 3 day headache which is probably from increased blood pressure. I'm not willing to risk long term damage to my body, so I'm out!

    My plan is to run the 6-oxo and dhea together as I had planned for a PCT. I won't log it, but I'll provide the results in a month or so. Wish me luck.

    My incomplete verdict on Propadrol is that it may have been promising for strength increases, as I already had some evidence of that, but it may also not be as "mild" as some have stated. Everyone reacts differently and it's possible that I just can't handle this kind of compound. One other note is that it is probably best as a cutter or for recomp. I didn't gain an ounce this week, so even the target of a clean bulk is probably not going to happen on Propadrol. Good luck kiddies.
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    The headaches probably started from watching the Browns last year

    Seriously, that sucks... I'd still get your BP checked at the local pharmacy or walk in Rite Aide nurse practitioner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    The headaches probably started from watching the Browns last year

    Seriously, that sucks... I'd still get your BP checked at the local pharmacy or walk in Rite Aide nurse practitioner.
    Oh, you suck!

    Yeah, I will. Thanks for all your help and sorry I couldn't provide more complete feedback on Propadrol! :
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    Sorry EP! Hope you feel better soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewilman View Post
    Sorry EP! Hope you feel better soon!
    Thanks man. I'm sure I will soon. This one just didn't work out, ya know?
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    No need to apologize. I bet your idea will inspire some others to try out a prop... er, propADROL pulse. Good luck with getting rid of the headaches and on future stacks
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    definitely reminds me to check my bp regularly. I don't quite fit in drugstore cuffs tho those damn things only go up to 13-14 inches. I wonder how accurate they are with ~15.5ish arms
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    definitely reminds me to check my bp regularly. I don't quite fit in drugstore cuffs tho those damn things only go up to 13-14 inches. I wonder how accurate they are with ~15.5ish arms
    I have access to cuff and sphygmomanometer and the drug store cuff comes within about 4-5mm systolic for me. I have 16.5" inch arms and it's not a problem. I guess not all of them would be super accurate all the time though.
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    The drug store I go to uses the forearm, so no problem fitting. I was 122/77 last night. I expected it to be a bit higher, but that is up some from where I was (110/65, I think). Slow-mun says that there have been some reports of elevated BP with Propadrol, so there you go. I'll check it again this weekend. My headache is still there today, but better.
  

  
 

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