"Mass Tabs" Log!!!

[Insidious1]

Hello everyone... i am starting a "Mass Tabs" by IDS labs log. It is NOT sponsored... but i see MANY of my buddies taking them and are getting REALLY good results.

I did a little research and will trying them out as my FIRST ProHormone Cycle....

Feel free to follow along.....

Stats

Age: 22
Weight: 162lbs
Height: 5'9"
B/F: Roughly 12-13%
I am unsure as to my Endo/Ecto/Meso morph status. I can gain weight easily when i am not working out and/or dieting. When i am on a hardcore routine, as i am now, i can LOSE weight... but can't seemt on on lots of mass..... So i cant consider myself a "hardgainer" as i KNOW i can pack on muscle, but FAT jsut as easily...

I Just cut down from 177 to 162.

Goal is to be 180- 185 in about 4 - 6 months. I train 5 days a week (Mon - FRi, isolating each muscle group per pay).

I eat and eat! Every 3 hours i try to consume 40 grams of protein or so. I cycle my carbs (but still keep then pretty low).

Supps i an currently on:

- Animal Pack Multi
- "ICE" BCAA Glutamine "Cocktail" (pre and post workout)
- USPLabs "PowerFull" (taken as directed)
- ON Whey Protein

I will be taking the above (minus the PowerFull) PLUS:

- "Mass Tabs" by IDS
- Cycle Support
- post cycle therapy and TestBooster... MOST likely (since i am ordering it) will be taking Anabolic Xtreme's "Mass Stack" as my PCT along with Liquid Nolvadex as my SERM (40/30/20/10).


I start "Mass Tabs" tomorrow.....

CRITIQUE AS MUCH AS YOU'D LIKE (especially in regards to PCT and SERM...)



My Workout Routine

Monday: Chest/Abs

Tuesday: Back

Wednesday: Legs/Abs

Thursday: Shoulders

Friday: Arms/Abs


As i go through my weeks, i will post the individual workouts and what i did along with my impressions...


Diet

Morning: Cup Oatmeal AND Protein shake or 6 Egg Whites

Snack (3 hrs later): Canned Tuna or Protein Shake

Workout (around 12:00 or 1:00)

Post Workout Drink: "Mass Recovery" by ABB

1.5 Hours AFTER workout: Complex carb/high protein combo

Dinner: Canned Tuna/Chix breast/fish/ etc.

3 hours Later: Low Carb Protein Shake

Before bed: POSSIBLE shake or maybe cottage cheese with grapes....



THAT IS A ROUGH IDEA of my daily intake. I cycle my carbs based on my most strenuous workout days. Article i read this from is here: Testosterone Nation - The Carb Cycling Codex


Good reading.....


Anyways... will update as i go along...

COULD USE SOME MOTIVATION... so feel free to subscribe to this one...

 

[The G Train]

I'm in. Good luck. I'd throw some creatine in there too for pct if you dont bloat too much, or beta-alanine to maintain strength.

 

[rpen22]

Good luck, bro!

 

[Insidious1]

Pics as of Now...

Thank you SOOO much for the support everyone...

This WILL be an active thread... EVEN if i'm the only one posting!!! LOL I am determined to keep a good log as to have it for future training reference...

Here are a few Pics as of right now...

On a "good day"... LOL... Where the abs are nice....

Back.... (gotta get rid of those handles...)

Front.... (P.S. thats a Tattoo on my side... not some sort of growth or stain....)


This should serve as a decent "starting point" for some before and after pics....

Thanks again for subscribing :welcome: ... i REALLY like the motivation...

 

[pistonpump]

Good luck. THings look good, I wish more newbies would ask questions and be respectful as you are.

The more you look forward to a cycle and the more you research and get everything real tight, the more successful the cycle becomes.

I like your training split.
Question: do you do calves just on leg day?

 

[Insidious1]

Good luck. THings look good, I wish more newbies would ask questions and be respectful as you are.

I like your training split.
Question: do you do calves just on leg day?

Thanks for following along, and as a noobie, i REALLY (not joking) appreciate EVERYONE's unput.

I will do my best to learn from what you all have experienced.

In regards to calves... yes, i tend to only do them on leg days... would you recommend otherwise?

 

[Insidious1]

Day 1

Hello everyone... Day 1...... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Workout Routine

Chest/Abs Day:

Incline Press: 115/115/135/145 (i do 4 sets of 6-8 for MOST exercises, the numbers listed are the weight used)

DB Flat Press: 45/50/55/60

Weighted Dips: 25lb Plate, 3 sets of 8

DB Decline Press: 50/50/55/55

Machine Flies: 3 sets of 8-10 reps

Abs:

Leg Lifts: To Failure

"Jay" Crunches: To Failure

Ab Machine: 35/35/35/35




Diet Intake

9:00 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (2 scoops) + Wheat Pita

12:30 Snack: 1 Can Chunk lite Albacore Tuna (low sodium) + 1tbs real mayo


2:00 - 3:15: Chest/Abs Workout

3:30: "ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

3:45: "Mass Recovery" by ABB POST workout drink (60 grams of carbs, 35 g Protein)

6:00: ON 100% Whey Protein shake (2 scoops)

8:30 Dinner: Half a Chix + 1 small Sweet Potato (40 g carbs)

11:30 Before Bed: Protein Shake (2 scoops)


Totals:

- Fat: 45-55 grams
- Carbs: 115-125 grams (65 "Complex" carbs/ 60 "Simple" carbs for post workout)
- Protein: 225-245 grams
- Calories: Not sure... doesn't seem like enough though. The protein shakes are only 240 Cals (w 2 scoops). I have about 3 a day. Tuna is low on cals....
- Water: Almost 2 galons


Supplement Intake

PLasmaval Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast



Other Supps (i.e. post cycle therapy/SERM/Cycle Support) will be here in two days. Cycle support will be run as directed.


Impressions

None so far. Its only day 1. A little upset stomach late in the day. Might have been the "Mass Recovery" drink... sometimes it does that to me. I had good pumps (from the Plasmavol i think).

I cant WAIT to hit up back tomorrow! Today's chest wasn;t the best... i am workout out at a new gym and am finding the right equipment and where its located. ALSO.. had no spotter.. so that made it hard to go REALLY heavy.

Overall, not a bad day! Can't wait until about a 1.5 weeks into this (thats when i hear it REALLY kicks in)

 

[Insidious1]

Question

Quick Question for everyone....

Being on this cycle.. would everyone recommend i do about 30 minutes of cardio roughly 3-4 times a week?

Maybe distance runs.... OR sprints?

I am going to start consuming more carbs than i usually do. and could use the cardio...

Shall i save the cardio for AFTER my cycle instead... ?

Thoughts?

 

[pistonpump]

depends on how lean you want to stay...

if you are just purely bulking then cardio can be done 1 or twice a week.

if you want to stay lean then id opt for 3 long sessions and like 2 15min sessions a week.

i dont really like cardio much

 

[rpen22]

If you're debating between cardio now, or cardio during post cycle, my guess would be now. I'd think that cardio during post cycle would make it harder to keep the gains, but I really have no idea; just speculating.

 

[Insidious1]

Good point....

I'll keep the cardio to roughly 3 times a week... nothing CRAZY intense... just a little something to keep the abs from getting too blurry

 

[Insidious1]

Day 2

Hello everyone... Day 2...... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Workout Routine

Back Day:

Weighted Pull-Ups: 15lbs hanging, 4 sets of 6-8

Seated Rows: 120/120/135/135

Bent-Over T Bar: 70/70/90/90

Singe Arm DB Pulls: 40/40/50/50

Lat Pull Downs: 110/110/120/130

Lat Pull-Down Negatives: 160lbs, hold for 15 seconds, slowly release.

20 Minutes Cardo



Diet Intake

Was REALLY tired. Stayed up a little late... trying to recover from a LONG weekend. Slept till 10:30

11:00 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (1 scoop) + 1 cup oatmeal + 1 cup eggwhites

1:00-2:15 Back Workout

2:30: ABB "Mass Recovery" Post workout drink

2:45: "ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

4:15: Half a Chix + 1 small Sweet Potato (40 g carbs)

7:30 Dinner: ON 100% Whey Protein shake (1 scoops) + 5-6 oz Tilapia Filet + small salad no dressing

10:30: Protein Shake (2 scoops)

12:30: Another shake OR Cottage Cheese (if i'm awake)


Totals:

Didn't Calculate them. I just know i need MORE clean cals!!!


Supplement Intake

PLasmaval Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast



Other Supps (i.e. post cycle therapy/SERM/Cycle Support) will be here in 1 day. Cycle support will be run as directed.


Impressions

Again, nothing too much. ITs only day 2. I had good pumps (from the Plasmavol i think).

Great back workout today. I still feel it in my lats. I was told by a friend that my forarms seem a little more pumped and vascular. Don't know if that could be from the Mass Tabs... but i like it either way! LOL

Overall, not a bad day! Can't wait until about a 1.5 weeks into this (thats when i hear it REALLY kicks in)

**************QUESTIONS***************

****THOUGHTS ON MORE CLEAN CALS?!?! How do i get more "clean" cals in.... Any good ideas? ALSO... i read in the "Recipes" forum a good protein shake. It has over 700 cals! Is that TOO many cals for one serving? *****

Link to the Shake Recipe: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/recipes/45335-protien-shake-my.html

 

[Insidious1]

bump

 

[The G Train]

Supposedly EFA's will help the uptake of alkylated steroids. I took 1 or 2 fish oil capsules with each dose during my cycle. Just an idea. Keep up the good work man.

 

[Insidious1]

Day 3

Good Day today! And i wanted to say thank you to those who are following and helping me.

Again, its my first prohormone cycle... and i do A LOT of reading... but reading posts from ya'll helps even more! Keeps me motivated and wanting to hit the weights harder than i EVER have!

Thanks again....

BACK TO THE LOG!


Workout Routine

Legs/Abs:

Leg Extension: 120/120/120/120 (Warm up)

Squats ("FreeMotion" Machine): 240/240/260/260

Hamstrings: 75/75/75/75

Calves: Not sure on weight. As much as i could take. 4 sets.

Leg Press: 160/160/170/170

Abs

Leg Lifts: 3 Sets To Failure

Weighted Ab Machine: 35/35/35/35 (REALLY concentrating on the contraction)

Medicine Ball Sit-Ups: 15lb Ball/ 3 sets of 15

Cardio

20 Min RUN on the tredmill PRIOR to leg/ab workout.



Diet Intake

9:30 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (2 scoop) + Whole Wheat Pita w/ Natty Peanut butter and jelly.

12:45: Another Shake (2 scoops) WITH "Powerbutter" Peanut butter (2 tbs)

2:30: Preworkout Supps (Plasmaval + "Mass Tabs")

3:00: "ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

3:00 - 4:15 Workout!!!:

4:15: Post Workout Shake (Muscle Milk)

6:30 Dinner: Half a Chix + 1 small Sweet Potato (40 g carbs)

9:30: Protein Shake (2 scoops) + 2 Tbs Natty Peanut Butter

12:30: Another shake OR Cottage Cheese (if i'm awake)


Totals:

Didn't Calculate them. Better than yesterday! Had to ATLEAST add 300-400 more cals from the peanut butter. Thanks for the tip!



Supplement Intake

"PLasmaval" Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast



Cycle Support Arrived. Will be taking with my protein shake tonight.


Impressions

Again, nothing too much. Its only day 3. I had good pumps (from the Plasmavol i think).

Good leg day. Not much to really judge, as legs are decent but tend to not be my big focal point. They are well developed due to years of wrestling and MMA.

I had a pull-up competitiion with a buddy in the gym. My back was pretty sore from yesterdays workout... but i still polished off 15 good ones. He did 9. SWEET! I think i could do 20 or so if i was "fresh".



Measurements

Took a few QUICK measurements today.

Arms: 14"

Chest: Barely over 38"

WIll take more measurements soon. I hope to get 15" or more arms by the end of the cycle. Chest is to grow, i SINCERELY hope! THAT IS MY WEAKPOINT!

Pics!!!

Majority of my supps!

The Cycle!!!!

Post Cycle Therapy + the SERM (liquid Nolvadex)

*****************QUESTIONS*******************
Any tips for bulding chest... ?!?!?!?!?? feel free to suggest!!! I'm open to suggestions!!!!!!!!

 

[The G Train]

Great workout. Congrats on the pullups, i need to improve on those. Goals are definitely realistic by the end of PCT i'd say, just keep up the intensity!!!

 

[Insidious1]

Thanks bro!


Question... anyone know much about the "AST Program"?

 

[The G Train]

AST program, you mean the MAX-OT program?

 

[Insidious1]

Day 4

Workout Routine

Shoulders:

Lateral Raises: 20/20/20/20

DB Military Press: 45/50/50/55

Upright Rows: 85/85/85/85

70 degree incline Lateral Raises: 15/15/15/15

Shrugs: (machine that lets you put plates on it) 340/340/340/340 (ohhh yea!!! I love shrugs, they are the only "300" number anywhere in my workout!)




Diet Intake

8:00 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (2 scoop) + Banana + 1 tbs Natty Peanut butter + "Cycle Support" supplement

11:00: Canned Tuna w/ 1 tbs Mayo

2:00: Half a Chix + 1 small Sweet Potato (40 g carbs)

5:00: ON 100% Whey (2 scoops)

5:35: Preworkout Supps (i.e. "Mass Tabs", Plasmaval)

6:00 - 7:00: WORKOUT!!! ("ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

6:30: Post Workout Shake (Lean Body Shake)

9:30 Sushi (no soy sauce. No rice. Just sliced tuna and eel)

1:00 am: Protein Shake (2 scoops) + 1 Tbs Natty Peanut Butter



Totals:

Didn't Calculate them. I don't think i will! LOL Too much time!



Supplement Intake

"PLasmaval" Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast

Cycle Support: Taken with protein shake in morning and evening


Impressions

Notice a LOT of vascularity! I LOVE IT! Strength is not up yet. And "size"... i don't presonally see anything yet. THOUGH i have had two people say my forearms look bigger....

In regards to SIDE EFFECTS.... None yet. My skin feels just a SLIGHT but more oily.... but it could just be my imagination. I am on the "lookout" for any sides....



Thanks for following along!!!!!



*********************************************

G Train....


Yes... the Max OT is what i'm refferring to. It seems to be more of a HEAVY HEAVY routine that lets you do less reps and sets. I am unsure of how effective or how much "science" is really in it....

Thoughts?

 

[The G Train]

I subscribed to the MAX-OT program over a year ago. It's pros are that it shows you how to warm up properly, keeps you moving up in weight and motivated. They suggest a rep range of 4-6, but alot of the formal research (ACSM and NSCA) suggest a minimum of 6 reps for hypertrophy, anything under that is mainly strength gain not size. So I just use weight that allows me to get 6-8 reps, but absolute failure by rep 8 or I go up. And I never do under 3 sets for each exercise, MAX-OT offers that idea also, but hypertrophy is 3-6 sets.

 

[Insidious1]

DAY 5 (Yesterday)

******************YESTERDAY********************



Workout Routine


Arms:

V-Bar Pulldowns: 95/95/120/120

Incline Dumbell Curls: 30/40/35/30

Skull Crushers: 75/75/75/85

BarBell Curls: ?/?/?/?

Reverse Grip Push Downs: 85/85/95/95

Cable Curls: 985/95/110/110




Abs

Hanging Leg Raises: 2 Sets To Failure

Ab Machine: 3 Sets To Failure

"Jay" Crunches: 3 Sets to Failure






Diet Intake

8:00 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (2 scoop) + 1/2 cup oatmeal + Cycle Support

11:30: 8 oz Chiz Breast + Sweet Potato + A few black beans and rice

2:30: 8 oz Chiz Breast + Black Beans over top

5:30: Small piece of Chix (4 oz)

9:00: Mom's Good Old Fashioned Pot Roast!! MMMMMMM!!!

12:00 Protein Shake (2 scoops) + 1 tbs natty peanut butter + cycle support

1:00 am: Protein Shake (2 scoops) + 1 Tbs Natty Peanut Butter



Totals:

Didn't Calculate them. I don't think i will! LOL Too much time!




Supplement Intake

"PLasmaval" Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast

Cycle Support: Taken with protein shake in morning and evening


Impressions

Sorta bad back pumps at night. Drank LOTS of water and felt better. Good pump... though i felt my arm workout wasn't the best. Was working out with a few friends and the timing was off and i didn;t feel a few of the exercises....

No side effects to really speak of. Slight back pumps... but nothing intolerable.... A little oily forehead.... but might just be me being paranoid about acne.... Starting to feel the whole "Alpha Male" mentality kick in (i.e. slightly shorter fuse... will get pissed a LITTLE easier...)




Thanks for following along!!!!!

 

[Insidious1]

Today:

I ate the SAME EXACT thing as yesterday...

I actually ate a cookie too! First time in over 3 months!!! LOL Wow did it taste good!

Had to help the local college cheerleaders do a car wash at work today.... felt good to take the shirt off! OHHH YEA!!! LOL

Not quite as good as it will feel with another 10 lbs of muscle... but still good....

 

[greenwing7]

keep up the good work man, I am thinking about my first cycle here soon, hope that you got the 10# bag of ON whey! you really seem to eat a lot of it. GOOD LUCK!

 

[yeahright]

Today:

I ate the SAME EXACT thing as yesterday...

I actually ate a cookie too! First time in over 3 months!!! LOL Wow did it taste good!

Had to help the local college cheerleaders do a car wash at work today.... felt good to take the shirt off! OHHH YEA!!! LOL

Not quite as good as it will feel with another 10 lbs of muscle... but still good....

We need pics of the cheerleaders.

 

[pistonpump]

Today:

I ate the SAME EXACT thing as yesterday...

I actually ate a cookie too! First time in over 3 months!!! LOL Wow did it taste good!

Had to help the local college cheerleaders do a car wash at work today.... felt good to take the shirt off! OHHH YEA!!! LOL

Not quite as good as it will feel with another 10 lbs of muscle... but still good....

i thought you were going to say it felt good to watch their wet titties in their wet tees....you homo.:trout: :nutkick:

 

[Insidious1]

i thought you were going to say it felt good to watch their wet titties in their wet tees....you homo.:trout: :nutkick:

LOL..... I read back over it... and it DID sound like i was about to say something else! LOL Tu Shay... :duel:



Workout Routine

Chest/Abs Day:

Incline Press: 115/125/135/145

Flat Bench: 135/135/145

30 Degree DB Press: 45/50/55/55

DB Decline Press: 50/50/55/55

Dips: 2 Sets to Failure

Cable Cross-Overs (I had a little more energy)

Abs:

Leg Lifts: To Failure

"Jay" Crunches: To Failure

Ab Machine: 35/35/35/35




Diet Intake

7:00 Breakfast: ON 100% Whey (2 scoops) + Wheat Bread

10:30 Snack: 1/4 Lbs Sliced Chix

1:30: Apple + More Chix

3:00-4:00: Chest/Abs Workout

3:45: "ICE" Amino Acid/Glutamine Mix (During and Post workout)

3:45: "Mass Recovery" by ABB POST workout drink (60 grams of carbs, 35 g Protein)

5:30: 6 oz Chix Breast + Black Beans + Sweet Potato

9:00: Mixed Greens Salad w. Chix. Vinagrette Dressing

12:30 Before Bed: Protein Shake (2 scoops) + 1 Tbs Natty Peanut Butter + Cycle Support




Supplement Intake

PLasmaval Creatine/NO Supplement: 45 Min Prior to Workout

"Mass Tabs": 30 Minutes Prior to workout

"ICE" BCAA/Glutamine Mix: During and After Workout

Multi-Vitamin: 30 Min after breakfast

Cycle Support: One scoop in morning and 1 before bed




Impressions:

Starting to really feel it. I definately am getting the whole "Alpha Male" mentality. I DO notice a little more aggression. My friend said i seemed a bit more on edge recently....

No acne or anything... My "boys" are still good...

My strength has OBVIOUSLY went up.... i feel good. But almost like i have SOOO much energy after workout. Like i didnt do anything during my workout.... i know i did b/c i rep to failure.... but 15 minutes later i feel i could pump out MORE weight and reps...

All good... this week, supposedly, i am to feel MUCH more. I am very happy with product thus far....

The back pumps have gone away since using "Cycle Support" and drinking more water....


Thanks for following along.




P.S. i MIGHT just be able to get those pics! LOL They took pics and i know one of them. Maybe i can get a copy! I'll let ya know...

 

[Insidious1]

Ok guys.....

I got my liquid tamoxifen citrate in the mail....

I havent noticed ANY gyno or "shrinkage" as of yet.... I am holding on to this "just in case"....

Everyone has told me to inlcude it as my PCT.... dosing at 40/30/20/10 (mg).....

WHEN do i start this....?

I am planning on taking MassFX, Hyperdrol, Retain2 as my PCT.... if thats the case, i am unsure as to WHEN to use the SERM.....

NEED suggestions....?

 

[The G Train]

I believe the common protocol is starting it the last night of your cycle, unless gyno symptons occur, then i'd probably start sooner. Cycle's looking good man, I like how IDS includes the herbal ingredients no matter all the flaming they get. Your PCT should pretty good too, though you might want to consider getting a pill carrier and rationing everything out in the morning, remembering how many I've taken gets hard sometimes.

 

[greenwing7]

I don't know your body as well as you do but have you actually done a calorie log, it would seem to me, even though I am new, that you just need to eat more like maybe another 10-15% I think I started the summer 165 give or take and right now I am at 173, still have my abs and good cuts, but I eat way more calories than you, but maybe you will want to save the "dirty" bulking for the winter and cut before next summer.

 

[Insidious1]

Sorry everyone... been ou tof town for a little while...

Still been workin out... but diet is wasn't the best.... i'm back and hittin it up hard this week!

I am on week 2 (day 13 or 14) of Mass tabs.....

I notice a LARGE increase in strength! On DB shouler press.... i usually put up 45-50's i was able to do my last set of 65lbs for 6 reps!!! I felt like a BEAST!!

Anyways..... here's a quick pic of 13 days intoMass Tabs cyce....

I see myself every day... i feel there is a little change... but would REALLY like your input!!!!!!

 

[rpen22]

Lookin good bro. Make sure you get that diet back on track.

 

[The G Train]

good pose, and your shoulders look bigger!!!

 

[yeahright]

Remember to feed that drol with complex carbs.

 

[The G Train]

Where are ya, it's been just over a week?

 

[Insidious1]

I'm still here....

Still taking mass tabs...

Diet isn't QUITE as clean as it needs to be... BUT i use my abs as my judging point....

If they start to fade... i clean up the diet.... if they are hard and ripped.... then i'm good! LOL

Have gained about 6 lbs so far... and still logging stuff... BUT have moved into a new place and have been REALLY busy!

I will be on tomorrow to update.

Thanks for the interest though....

I figured no one was really paying attention.. I appreciate it! honestly...

 

[Insidious1]

Ok folks...

Sorry about my lack of commitment to posting.. LOL.. started out strong.... but faded with my busy schedule...

Today was my last day of Mass Tabs.. i noticed MOST of the results this past week and a half! WOW! It feels GREAT!!!

HEre are some pics... My diet has been CRAPPY the past 3 days.. so i'm not as cut as i usually am... and am a little bloated.... I personally think i can see a difference...

WHAT DO YA'LL THINK?!?!!?

********************BEFORE PICS!!!!************

About 160lbs-ish

Back...

Not the BEST abs pic... but still one prior to Mass Tabs


************Two Weeks In To Mass Tabs************

About 164lbs-ish... Lower B/F it seems to me...

Not Bad, ehh?


**************LAST DAY OF MASS TABS! (TODAY*********

HORRIBLE HORRIBLE lighting.. LOL... and NO pump... but i still see some improvement... YOU??? Ohhh.. weight around 167, maybe 168 as of today...

Back Pic....

Another one... different lighting....

Abs... NOTE, i am BLOATED.... but i see a BIG improvement...

Some sort of cool chest/abs pic....


THATS IT FOLKS....WILL POST MY FINAL REVIEW OF IT TOMORROW....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me kno what u think!!?? I could LOVE to hear come thoughts! (contructive criticism....)

 

[rpen22]

AWESOME job, bro! Looks like you put on some nice size and even lost some BF. What more could you ask for?

Now just make sure you nail down your diet during pct to solidify the gains.

 

[Insidious1]

THANK YOU!!!!

I appreciate u following along....

ALSO... any ideas on changing up my diet..?

I am starting the MassFX, Hyperdrol2, Retain2 (from AnabolicXtreme) AS my PCT tomorrow....

I let myself carb up a little more while on this cycle.... can i continue to allow this when using the AnabolicXtreme's supps?

Or should i lower the carbs again? I am SOOO SICK of freakin canned tuna, broiled chix, and everything else i've been eating for the last 3 or 4 months....!!!

I was GONNA take a week break.. but i don't want my Estrogen to bounce back.. and am starting the PCT tomorrow....

THOUGHTS?

 

[rpen22]

You're not using Nolva anymore?

I'd keep the calories high right now to help hold on to those gains. If you want, lower the carbs after pct.

 

[The G Train]

Yeah make sure to use the nolva, and for some reason i didnt get any update emails until tonight otherwise i wouldve been here sooner. I'd keep the carb intake the same, just make sure theyre complex. Muscles are looking thicker man, how were the strength gains?

 

[yeahright]

THANK YOU!!!!

I appreciate u following along....

ALSO... any ideas on changing up my diet..?

I am starting the MassFX, Hyperdrol2, Retain2 (from AnabolicXtreme) AS my post cycle therapy tomorrow....

I let myself carb up a little more while on this cycle.... can i continue to allow this when using the AnabolicXtreme's supps?

Or should i lower the carbs again? I am SOOO SICK of freakin canned tuna, broiled chix, and everything else i've been eating for the last 3 or 4 months....!!!

I was GONNA take a week break.. but i don't want my Estrogen to bounce back.. and am starting the PCT tomorrow....

THOUGHTS?

Superdrol like compounds usually shut people down hard. Use a SERM.

 

[Insidious1]

OK... i know about "shutdown" ....

But i dont think i had it very bad at all (if any)....

Tell me what you think....

I mainly experiences REALLY REALLY lethargic during the 2nd week...... Then that went away in a few days... i up'ed my carb intake....



I have liquid nolvadex.. but since nothing was like gyno... or any major estrogen related sides occured i didn't take it.

I am now into day 3 of my MassFx/HyperdrolX2/Retain2 stack that i am using as my post cycle therapy...... Should i start to include a daily dose of the liquid nolva? Maybe a dose of 40/30/20/10 (4 weeks)???

Even if i experienced no real gyno or estro-rebound? (and what are some major indicators of estro-rebound?)

I like the MassFX/HyperdrolX2/Retain2..... i really think it is helping keep my cortisol levels down.... i think thats HUGE for me as i am in the military and sometimes my eating schedule (as much as i pack ahead.... and try to bring cans of tuna and nuts and protein shakes with me) can get a little screwed up.

Anyways... Thoughts?

 

[rpen22]

I say go ahead and run the Nolva as you said. Being shutdown is not only determined by physical changes, although it can be. You already have it, so why not use it?

 

[The G Train]

Yeah i would definitely run the nolva just to be safe cause you dont want to have to worry about delayed onset gyno.

 

[yeahright]

Serms aren't just for blocking gyno. Tamox increases the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone) thus helping to jumpstart your hpta.

 

[Insidious1]

Ok ok ok...

I'll run the liquid nolvadex..... LOL

ALSO... had to go to the doctor today... so i figured i'd get some bloodwork done.

I have a blood test (which includes liver and kidney function) along with a full testosterone test being done.

I should the results back by wednesday... So we'll exactly where i am at....

 

[ReaperX]

I'm assuming the PCT that IDS offers for the 'Mass Tabs' is insufficient huh ?

 

[Insidious1]

Yes....

Big update folks....

HOLY CRAP!!! Got my blood tests back....

Liver and Kidneys were good. Kidneys showed signs of dehydration.... so i am pounding more water and being REALLY good about my "Cycle Support" product.....

Test levels came back today.... and NOT GOOD!

MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR shutdown! For a guy my age.... TEST should be a BARE MINIMUM of 38 to a high of 158..... (free test....)

MY free test was at 9! FREAKIN 9! I was already 2-3 weeks into PCT.... and they are at 9!!! My TOTAL test levels are only at 26!!!! (they should be at over 200!!!)

I am taking my SERM... (which i am begining to think is BS.... i got liquid Nolvadex from a "reputible" person on....) and ALL my PCT products (i.e. natty test booster, AI, cortisol blocker...)

What should i do folks?

Let them rebound on their own...? The Dr. said i REALLY need to see an endocryologist (i'm assuming thats a testosterone Dr....)

Your Thoughts?? Should i just wait to see how the PCT works?

 

[pistonpump]

wow thats bad news. Go see an endo anyway and see what they say. How is your libido/sex drive, and ability to have an erection?

 

[Insidious1]

truth is...

My ex dropped my ass a few months back (been hittin the gym REALLY har since then)....

I haven't really had ANY WANT or DRIVE to have ANY sex. Have had about 3 erections in the past week.....


I didn't really think that it may have been the Mass Tabs.... I just assumed i was upset about the ex... and i am busy and when you have NO REAL WANT to have sex... i tended to just not think about it...

In hindsight.... yea... my libido and erections are nearly non-existent...

It hasn't been an issue (b/c i haen't been with anyone since the ex...) but now i am thinking this isn't good. I have no signs of gyno.... and i think my estrogen is ok... but when one hormone (i.e. Test) is low.. the body compensate with an increase in the other hormone (estrogen)...

Could a delayed estrogen rebound take place? Its been a few weeks since i've been on Mass Tabs... and i've been good with my post cycle therapy.... my test is STILL at 9....

And the endo Dr costs over $350 for initial visit... PLUS any bllod work or tests... i DO NOT have insurance OR any money for that!

I think i will bump up the MassFX, Hyperdrol and Retain 2 dosage... and taper it off when i feel better.

I notice i am VERY VERY tired all the time.