Ergopharm 1-ad+4-ad trans+11 oxo
- 06-05-2007, 09:30 PM
- 06-05-2007, 09:36 PM
- 06-05-2007, 09:43 PM
hahah very funny i guess i was seein things learn teach lead anyways i am experienced 6'3" 235. I have this laying around so i thought use it before it gets too old
06-05-2007, 09:56 PM
the power is yours ( capton planet)
ya boy gj
06-05-2007, 10:06 PM
Don't know the specs of 11-OXO, but a 1-AD/4-AD stack sounds good. 8 weeks is far too long IMO.
EDIT: I apologize you were correct. It DOES go to DHT through and unknown pathway according to Big Cat.
06-05-2007, 10:19 PM
06-05-2007, 10:41 PM
Where I get most/all my reponses.
06-05-2007, 11:33 PM
06-05-2007, 11:41 PM
06-05-2007, 11:48 PM
06-05-2007, 11:51 PM
Actually, these types of products can be ran for 8 weeks. Shutdown is dependent on many things(these aren't your current methylated designers), but 6-8 weeks would be a nice length IMO.
06-06-2007, 01:08 AM
06-06-2007, 10:29 AM
Has nothing to do with liver toxicity and shutdown is real with this product not from it's design, but because of it's 1-Test conversion hormone. 6 weeks because I feel any longer isn't going to be that effective and for the price of it you could be ingesting side effects and minimal gains the last two weeks.
06-06-2007, 10:53 AM
I'm 27 y/o and have run 1-AD, 4-AD, 1-T, M1-T etc........
My recommendations are on the money and if you want to disagree then that's fine, but I have real world experience with these and I applaud you for trying to seem like an expert on this subject, but at 19 y/o you aren't one . There is a difference in the time frame for shutdown between 1st generation prohormones and the current 3rd/4th generation designer steroids. There's a process of conversion that 4-AD and 1-AD have to undergo to become active. Please do not post in this thread if you have nothing but heresay to offer. BTW, this thread is in the wrong spot, b/c there's is no review currently taking place.
06-06-2007, 10:57 AM
BTW, I believe people are definitely overstating the amount of shutdown experienced from 1-AD and 1-T. You guys make my eyes hurt. It ain't that bad. M1-T after day 5 is bad........................... .........
06-06-2007, 11:22 AM
lets be friends
06-06-2007, 11:27 AM
Heresay is pretty funny. I'm glad you assume that my age dictates pure knowledge and expierence. Truth of the matter is, not everyone gets the same results so while you have your hair, another posters buddy lost his, or your prostrate was fine, but the thread starter has pressure on his by week 3 of 900mg.
In all in all, you're basically disagreeing because you took a supplement and had a specific effect not a general consensus. He won't have shutdown with 4-AD either and I addressed that problem.
I've been reading this stuff for a while now. Just look at my registration date and if you want I have the 10 page paper on why I think pro-hormones should still be legal I wrote 3 years ago.
06-06-2007, 11:32 AM
You so experienced thats why you posted a link to the often WRONG big-cat articles as your source of proof. You guys offered little in the way of help so spare me your insight. You don't know who I am or what I do, so please dont make assumptions about me. I do help when its asked for, but I don't give out bad info., which is what you were doing in reference to 1-AD,4-AD, and 1-T. I represent a supplement company that deals in hormonal supplements, so don't mistake me as some Johnny Come Lately. I just don't respect those too young to offer anything other than advice that they read somewhere else.
06-06-2007, 11:41 AM
So Peter Van Mol is wrong? Better re-write that article and his 6-week log he did then with Nor-diol and 5 controls. While you're at it, I'm sure Dino Pierce screwed his log up too.
06-06-2007, 11:52 AM
06-06-2007, 05:40 PM
06-07-2007, 03:36 AM
06-07-2007, 04:06 AM
ok i c ur point, but do u see mine? lol
06-07-2007, 11:35 AM
You obviously live in a blindfolded community in which all people obey all rules including the 21 and over speculation for safe PH use, but that's okay. We're dealing with illegal drug whether you want to admit that or not so if one is willing to risk against law enforcement who is really going to abide by a simple age rule by a forum, hmm?
I'm still missing the whole "you're so young and dumb" when all the advice given is accurate. Like I said before, if I'm so wrong then surely Big Cat is way off and needs to be corrected. I leave out personal Haikus for the sheer fact that no one wants to hear my response or his response. I have MPB and I know I'll go bald, but maybe you won't and have long beautiful locks for ages. I presented every issue that is common amongst all consumers as a whole, not just one or two guys that have ran a cycle. Not to mention if you run it standalone, with 4-AD, Nor-diol, their are so many different variations of gains:sides that you can't say this is exactly how you'll react or not react.
Better to present all the information then just say "never happened to me", because that has no bearing as a general consensus just because YOU never felt lethargic on cycle.
When's the last time I saw a 19 year old run a cycle? Years ago. Stop assuming.
06-07-2007, 11:51 AM
06-07-2007, 09:46 PM
06-07-2007, 11:13 PM
06-07-2007, 11:43 PM
WTF? you guys talk about 1AD/4AD as if it was 30 years ago! Jesus, ****ing n00bs here.
6-8 weeks is great for a 1AD/4AD cycle. Those prohormones were far superior to todays stuff, in my opinion, at least as far as results to sides ratio.
Slow-mun is the only one in this thread who know WTF he's talking about. So mind his advice.
06-08-2007, 02:03 AM
06-14-2007, 07:46 PM
06-14-2007, 08:02 PM
Lovely thread this has turned into. Anyway trans 4ad could easily be ran for 8 weeks or longer. 1AD, although the prohormone to a powerful steroid, is rather potent in its own right at a good dose. I would personally keep it to 4-6 weeks.
06-14-2007, 08:50 PM
06-14-2007, 09:02 PM
Now this is some funny stuff right here. This is what happens when you put a bunch of alpha males on test enhancers and lock them in an internet forum......!
I have no hate for anyone for being young, I'll simply state the fact that when I was 19 I should not have been even considering taking any of this ****. I miss the point, at that age unless clinically ID'd as low test, your body is an anabolic furnace.
Some of the folks here may have been a bit aggressive in there rebuttals, but the reality that they are correct does not change. While I think BigCat put out some good stuff at the time, he made some BIG mistakes occasionally (which is only natural when trying to operate on the the cutting edge) and some of that info is DATED! And I been around since Cybergenics was the hottest thing (way pre creatine), so when I say it is dated, it is dated.
06-14-2007, 09:07 PM
4-AD converts in the body to testosterone. Exogenous testosterone will most def. suppress your own test. production. There's no denying that.
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