Ergopharm 1-ad+4-ad trans+11 oxo

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by r6samson View Post
    You obviously live in a blindfolded community in which all people obey all rules including the 21 and over speculation for safe PH use, but that's okay. We're dealing with illegal drug whether you want to admit that or not so if one is willing to risk against law enforcement who is really going to abide by a simple age rule by a forum, hmm?


    I'm still missing the whole "you're so young and dumb" when all the advice given is accurate. Like I said before, if I'm so wrong then surely Big Cat is way off and needs to be corrected. I leave out personal Haikus for the sheer fact that no one wants to hear my response or his response. I have MPB and I know I'll go bald, but maybe you won't and have long beautiful locks for ages. I presented every issue that is common amongst all consumers as a whole, not just one or two guys that have ran a cycle. Not to mention if you run it standalone, with 4-AD, Nor-diol, their are so many different variations of gains:sides that you can't say this is exactly how you'll react or not react.


    Better to present all the information then just say "never happened to me", because that has no bearing as a general consensus just because YOU never felt lethargic on cycle.


    When's the last time I saw a 19 year old run a cycle? Years ago. Stop assuming.


    JP
    Okay, first of all, you are still overstating the side effects from said prohormones. Second of all, those articles were written when the strongest OTC estrogen control was Chrysin. For God's sakes, people used to pyramid cycles of 1-AD and 4-AD, b/c they were unaware of how to conduct an adequate post cycle therapy. You can shut down your testosterone production with 4-AD quite easily and yet you're telling some guy that he won't get shutdown on 1-AD if he adds 4-AD. The only thing that won't get shutdown in his cycle is his libido, but his natural testosterone production will still be negatively impacted. Honestly, I can post pages of research to support our "speculation" that people under 21 shouldn't be running cycles. All you can do is post links to this forum's #1 competitor, which has some stickied articles from 5 years ago. Just stop while you can.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    I will vouch for him, as I know him on many differnet levels and his experience is untouchable from a bystander's viewpoint. The comments and 'points' made by the r6 "dude" were laughable at best, I'm not trying to start drama here, just clear the air. Sol is not only extremely intelligent and one of the best reps that I happen to know, but he's also very wise and doesn't make foolish steps in an attempt to sound well versed and educated. My final point: When's the last time this 19 year old ran himself a cycle of 1-ad? When's the last time an internet 'guru' was 100% correct and infallable?
    aww! ... *tear*
























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  3. WTF? you guys talk about 1AD/4AD as if it was 30 years ago! Jesus, ****ing n00bs here.

    6-8 weeks is great for a 1AD/4AD cycle. Those prohormones were far superior to todays stuff, in my opinion, at least as far as results to sides ratio.

    Slow-mun is the only one in this thread who know WTF he's talking about. So mind his advice.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    WTF? you guys talk about 1AD/4AD as if it was 30 years ago! Jesus, ****ing n00bs here.

    6-8 weeks is great for a 1AD/4AD cycle. Those prohormones were far superior to todays stuff, in my opinion, at least as far as results to sides ratio.

    Slow-mun is the only one in this thread who know WTF he's talking about. So mind his advice.
    Bold statement man, to bad you have all that pent up anger, you should really try getting laid someday brutha.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    Bold statement man, to bad you have all that pent up anger, you should really try getting laid someday brutha.
    That stuff does work for stress....
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  6. Lovely thread this has turned into. Anyway trans 4ad could easily be ran for 8 weeks or longer. 1AD, although the prohormone to a powerful steroid, is rather potent in its own right at a good dose. I would personally keep it to 4-6 weeks.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by bLacKjAck. View Post
    That stuff does work for stress....
    No joke, you can always spot a 19 year old virgin on a forum! LOL

  8. Now this is some funny stuff right here. This is what happens when you put a bunch of alpha males on test enhancers and lock them in an internet forum......!

    I have no hate for anyone for being young, I'll simply state the fact that when I was 19 I should not have been even considering taking any of this ****. I miss the point, at that age unless clinically ID'd as low test, your body is an anabolic furnace.

    Some of the folks here may have been a bit aggressive in there rebuttals, but the reality that they are correct does not change. While I think BigCat put out some good stuff at the time, he made some BIG mistakes occasionally (which is only natural when trying to operate on the the cutting edge) and some of that info is DATED! And I been around since Cybergenics was the hottest thing (way pre creatine), so when I say it is dated, it is dated.

  9. 4-AD converts in the body to testosterone. Exogenous testosterone will most def. suppress your own test. production. There's no denying that.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by nightfly71 View Post
    4-AD converts in the body to testosterone. Exogenous testosterone will most def. suppress your own test. production. There's no denying that.
    That was the point being made by Solo. This R6samson guy was saying that the addition of 4-ad would NOT shut him down, whereas it only helps your libido, you're still shut down despite ANY additional (suppressive) substance you add in. To me it's as clear as day, I don't see where the point got lost?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kraftkid View Post
    Now this is some funny stuff right here. This is what happens when you put a bunch of alpha males on test enhancers and lock them in an internet forum......!

    I have no hate for anyone for being young, I'll simply state the fact that when I was 19 I should not have been even considering taking any of this ****. I miss the point, at that age unless clinically ID'd as low test, your body is an anabolic furnace.

    Some of the folks here may have been a bit aggressive in there rebuttals, but the reality that they are correct does not change. While I think BigCat put out some good stuff at the time, he made some BIG mistakes occasionally (which is only natural when trying to operate on the the cutting edge) and some of that info is DATED! And I been around since Cybergenics was the hottest thing (way pre creatine), so when I say it is dated, it is dated.
    Great post....btw I am not 19..RA is just a cute lil dumbass

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bLacKjAck. View Post
    Great post....btw I am not 19..RA is just a cute lil dumbass
    Who said anything about you being 19?? lol wtf?? I was talking about the R6Samson parrot.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bLacKjAck. View Post
    Great post....btw I am not 19..RA is just a cute lil dumbass
    Lol!!!

    Ironically, my wife saw your avatar yesterday and thought you were me since she did not know my name on here. She kept asking me "why blackjack". Apparently she thinks we have similar builds.

    Wait a minute. Hey, stay the f*ck away from my wife!!!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    Who said anything about you being 19?? lol wtf?? I was talking about the R6Samson parrot.
    Come on Rising, what else you want BJack called you cute? He never says nice **** like that about me......

  15. Quote Originally Posted by kraftkid View Post
    Come on Rising, what else you want BJack called you cute? He never says nice **** like that about me......
    He usually just yells at me... his wife just usually yells FOR ME... LOL jk bro, you know I use duct tape.. LOL!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    He usually just yells at me... his wife just usually yells FOR ME... LOL jk bro, you know I use duct tape.. LOL!
    Props. That was funny as ****. I about fell out of my chair on the duct tape comment. You guys are some funny m'frs.

    Either of you done much with 6oxo? Got your hands on any 11oxo yet?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by kraftkid View Post
    Props. That was funny as ****. I about fell out of my chair on the duct tape comment. You guys are some funny m'frs.

    Either of you done much with 6oxo? Got your hands on any 11oxo yet?
    6-oxo used to be a staple before more modern atds were available. 11-oxo isnt on my list of to do things right now though, I'm on a natural phase til November.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    6-oxo used to be a staple before more modern atds were available. 11-oxo isnt on my list of to do things right now though, I'm on a natural phase til November.
    Your perferred more modern ATD now, (when participating of course)?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kraftkid View Post
    Your perferred more modern ATD now, (when participating of course)?
    I am really partial to 6-bromo products, but AX's old PCT (the methylated ATD) was a miracle.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by kraftkid View Post
    Now this is some funny stuff right here. This is what happens when you put a bunch of alpha males on test enhancers and lock them in an internet forum......!

    I have no hate for anyone for being young, I'll simply state the fact that when I was 19 I should not have been even considering taking any of this ****. I miss the point, at that age unless clinically ID'd as low test, your body is an anabolic furnace.

    Some of the folks here may have been a bit aggressive in there rebuttals, but the reality that they are correct does not change. While I think BigCat put out some good stuff at the time, he made some BIG mistakes occasionally (which is only natural when trying to operate on the the cutting edge) and some of that info is DATED! And I been around since Cybergenics was the hottest thing (way pre creatine), so when I say it is dated, it is dated.
    Nice post

    Where were you guys a week ago? I've been looking like a prick for a solid week. Oh well, I tried to be nice, but I went overboard, it happens. I appologize for being so tough with you younger guys who insist on creating ED for yourself down the road. Everyone makes mistakes, so just be prepared for whatever ones that you might make yourselves at 19.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    He usually just yells at me... his wife just usually yells FOR ME... LOL jk bro, you know I use duct tape.. LOL!
    uu PRICK!!....lol...better be glad ur workin out right now and not at home...I'd call up your mommy and tell on you!!...let her put it to ya like she does ever so eloquently

  22. Quote Originally Posted by kraftkid View Post
    Wait a minute. Hey, stay the f*ck away from my wife!!!
    She SWORE she wouldnt say anything!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    Who said anything about you being 19?? lol wtf?? I was talking about the R6Samson parrot.
    Oh wise one of two years older than me with numerous anabolicmind age approved cycles under your belt.....get off it.


    I was wrong with suppression. Forgive me.


    JP

  24. Quote Originally Posted by r6samson View Post
    Oh wise one of two years older than me with numerous anabolicmind age approved cycles under your belt.....get off it.


    I was wrong with suppression. Forgive me.


    JP
    Who ever said anything about me being 'so much more experienced' than you? (albeit I am, by a lot)

  25. Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    Nice post

    Where were you guys a week ago? I've been looking like a prick for a solid week. Oh well, I tried to be nice, but I went overboard, it happens. I appologize for being so tough with you younger guys who insist on creating ED for yourself down the road. Everyone makes mistakes, so just be prepared for whatever ones that you might make yourselves at 19.
    No sub for "life" experience, and I don't mean anything to do with working out. You get older and all that never wrong attitude gets beat out of you a bit by the real world.

    R6 my impression in the differnence between you and Rising is that he may only be 2 years older, but he is listening to those with more experience and trying to improve his knowledge base.

    There is nothing wrong with havin an opinion. I will be the first to tell you that there are prob lots of 19 year olds who know more about certain things than I do. You just kind of hosed yourself when you pulled out Big Cat's posts from the 70's....

    Everyone is cool now, let's move on and get back to what this board is all about.
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