12 week pulse...I take my Havoc & Cissus-Drol with Distilled Water

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  1. Day 10


    Onyly got like 4 hr of sleep last nite and its really effecting me 2day. I cut my workout a little short because of it too. My diet hasnt been good 2day. Only got about 1/2 my cals down.

    Pre Workout: Natural Protein bar, taste is awsome
    -5gr Creatine, 5gr Glutamine, 2gr Taurine

    During Workout: The regular

    Post Workout: 1 Anabolic Pump......12oz OJ, 35gr Waxy Maize, 2 scoops ON Whey
    5gr Creatine, 5gr Glutamine


    SHOULDERS
    Arnold presses:
    25 @ 20
    45 @ 15
    50 @ 12
    55 @ 10

    Shoulder Press Machine:
    110 @ 15
    140 @ 12

    Side Lat. Raises:
    20 @ 12
    25 @ 10
    30 @ 8
    15 @ 15

    Rev. Pec Dec Machine:
    80 @ 15
    90 @ 14
    100 @ 12
    140 @ 8

    Front Raise:
    35 @ 10

    NOTES: Recovery has been bad. My chest is real real sore 2day for some reason. I feel it affected my shoulder workout greatly and the main reason i cut it short. With that said my pumps are stil real good in my shoulders, My musle are feeling fuller. My Biceps aren't really sore so the chest soreness puzzles me a bit. Im never usually this sore. Only in the first few days of comming back into the gym. HRM.......

    SIDES: No change in any sides.
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  2. Im going to be starting On Bulk Seasathin from NP here in a few days. I was thinking as I was takeing my CLA i should prost all the supps I take on a reg basis for you guys, sorry

    Wake up: 2gr Tyrosine, 5 gr Glutamine, 1 Cissus-RX

    Breakfast:
    3 whole eggs/3 egg whites
    1 cup dry oats
    -2gr CLA, Liquid Multi

    Pre-Workout/Post-Wrokout:Listed daily

    Meal #4:
    1 can tuna
    1/3 cup dry brown rice
    -2gr CLA

    Meal #5:
    6-8oz Chicken
    Large sweet potatoe

    Meal #6:
    1 scoop Muscle Milk
    1 scoop reg. protein
    12oz. Milk

    Before bed: 1 Cissus RX, 5 gr Glutamine

    Meal #7:
    1 cup Cottage cheese
    1TBS Flax Oil (if I remember)
    *Milk Protein if im real hungry
    -2gr CLA

    If wife or mom,she lives like 4 houses down and I have her call me if she, makes hamberguer helper im all over that

    And o yea I may have a bowl of cereal after a late nite cardo session w/ the mrs.
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  3. Day 11


    I didnt train 2day. I was stil kinda tired from the lack of sleep the other nite. I layed by the pool all day and just relaxed, boy was it nice.

    Diet has been prett solid 2day, Had a bowl of rice crispy treats with the kids this morning. Thats the only thing outta the ordinary.

    My chest is stil sore. Im not impressed with the recovery aspects with Havoc, but my knees feel a bit dry so I know its working. Also I dont know if its me beeing weird but about 15~20min after I eat a meal with carbs my muscles feel like they have a little pump to them. Its kinda nice feeling. I think I need to be getting more water in me, Im also going to be getting back on Posiedon on monday...I hope.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    I didnt train 2day. I was stil kinda tired from the lack of sleep the other nite. I layed by the pool all day and just relaxed, boy was it nice.

    Diet has been prett solid 2day, Had a bowl of rice crispy treats with the kids this morning. Thats the only thing outta the ordinary.

    My chest is stil sore. Im not impressed with the recovery aspects with Havoc, but my knees feel a bit dry so I know its working. Also I dont know if its me beeing weird but about 15~20min after I eat a meal with carbs my muscles feel like they have a little pump to them. Its kinda nice feeling. I think I need to be getting more water in me, Im also going to be getting back on Posiedon on monday...I hope.
    I did not notice much in terms of recovery either. Its hard to tell though as I was working out with more intesity at a higher volume during cycle. So who knows....

    Great log btw

  5. I dont know what it is for me. I have been doing the same weight with way way more strict form. Maybe the extra muscle focus is really taxing them?
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  6. Pre Workout: 2 Scoops ATW, 1 cup Dry Oats, 20mg Havoc
    -5gr Creatine Mono, 2gr Taurine, 5gr Glutamine

    During Workout: 4 scopps Excell, 7gr Glutamine in 20oz Water, 16.9oz additional Water

    Post Workout: 1 Anabolic Pump........2 scoops ON Vanilla Whey, 12 oz. OJ, 35gr Waxy Maize, 10mg Havoc
    -5 gr Creatine Mono, 5gr Glutamine

    TRICEPS
    Close grip Bench:
    145 @ 15
    165 @ 12
    175 @ 10
    185 @ 10

    Skull Crushers:
    75 @ 15
    85 @ 12
    95 @ 10
    105 @ 9

    Over Head DB ext.
    80 @ 12
    -Hurt my shoulder brining the weight down-

    Reverse Cable Press Down:
    12 @ 12
    11 @ 15
    15 @ 8


    Notes: Good workout, good intesity. My elbows AREN'T feeling dry but my knees are. Good Pump. Explosive strength is much greater. I could feel it on the Close Grip Bench. My 1RM on reg bench is probably close to a PR, but I'll test that in the 4th week. I also feel like im putting on clean size. I feel fuller/bigger, and stil look as lean as when i started.

    Sides: After I got outta the shower I was kinda shedding, like 7 strands of hair in my towel after drying off. This may be because its summer time and my hairs longer, I'll know after i stop using. i dont feel as thogh my hair is getting any thiner.

    My knees feel kinda dry. Its not unbareable but I can def notice
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  7. On monday I will be boosting cals by ~ 250 making them around 3,500 total

    25gr Proein- Added 1/2 scoop Whey protein in oatmeal w/ breakfast
    -Added 1/2 scoop Milk protein Before bed

    25gr Carbs- Added post-workout using Waxy Maize (bumping to ~50gr Waxy Maize total)

    5gr Fat- Added 1TBS peanut butter w/ breakfast
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  8. Day 14


    I got all measured up this mornin and they came back promiseing. I'll post them a little later, I need to find them. Today was chest, my workout wasnt great prolly due to takeing 100 swings from both sides of the plate yesterday. O'well, my shoulders and tri's were fatigued and it showed in my workout

    CHEST
    Modified Bench:
    145 @ 15
    165 @ 12
    185 @ 10
    205 @ 9

    Decline Smith machine:
    225 @ 10
    205 @ 10
    185 @ 15

    Incline flyes:
    50 @ 12
    45 @ 15
    40 @ 20

    No lean cable cross-overs:
    4 @ 12
    4 @ 12
    5 @ 10

    One arm Cross-overs:
    2 @ 12
    3 @ 10

    It become apparent once starting my flyes that my supporting muscle groups were dead. I was pannning on going very heavy for maybe 6~8 reps for my first set and the first 6 were a breeze. Great pump 2day, After my workout I noticed I have a huge semetry problem in my chest region from playing ball. First off my right pec is smaller than my left(possible from always beeing used, and never rested) Second my left pec in the outter upper region dorfs my inner and lower pec regions. Now its somewhat noticeable on the right side also.

    O'well some of that has nothing to do with the log, i just thought i'd let you guys know

    Sides: Stil the same, slight dryness of the knees and some bacne.
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  9. 2 week Measurments


    All measurements were done 1st thing in the morinig cold, just like last time. Nothing's flexed bent, or anything like that.

    Weight : 186lbs (+4)

    Right arm: 14 1/8" (+1/8")
    Left arm : 14 1/4" (+1/8")

    Right Forearm: 12 1/4" (No change)
    Left Forearm: 12 1/4" (+1/2")

    Chest: 43 1/2" (+1/2)
    Waist : 32" (no change )

    Right Leg: 21 1/4" (+ 3/4")
    Left Leg: 21 1/4" (+1/4")
    Right Thigh: 24 1/4" (no change)
    Left Thigh: 24" (+1/4")

    Right Calf: 15 1/8" (+1/8")
    Left Calf: 15 1/8" (no change)
    Abbs: Same as the day I started, looking great when I do the little pull down. Maybe I can lose that little bit at the bottom in the last few weeks when I switch over to the 50/30/20 diet.......
    Looks for the most part that my body is comming into its own semetry on its on and gainig a little while doing so, thats why I was surprised to see this unproportionness of my chest after my workout hrm

    I feel bigger/fuller which is always nice. Im on my goal thus far for 2 lbs a week. I am stil just as lean as the day I started, mabe a little leaner in area's. Vascularity is also more apparent. I think I may look alot leaner if I was more tan. I got a nice farmers tan going but that's not doing too much for me, o'well
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  10. Good Job on the log +rep.

    Also it's "Symmetry"

  11. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Good Job on the log +rep.

    Also it's "Symmetry"
    Damnit....I knew it was. But when i typed it, it looked funny.....lol
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  12. Day 15


    Well I took some Posiedon again yesterday because I had found some a small container in my baseball bag. Damnit i love that stuff sornes is probably cut in half today. That was the only diff in supplementation yesterday. Workin your unreal my freind

    Anyways felt good 2day, slightly more aggressive than usual the past 2days, Wonder if that has anything to do with havoc hrm......Doubt it but ya never know. I hit legs 2day

    Pre Workout: 2 scoops ATW + ! cup dry oats oats
    -1 packet Anaimal Pump

    During Workout: The regular

    Post Workout: 1 Packet BSN Cell Mass......12oz OJ, 60gr Waxy Maize, 2 scoops ON Whey


    LEGS
    Bike 10min warm up
    Leg Ext.
    -SuperSet-Hack Squat
    *I altered toes in and out each set, 2 of each total
    120 @ 15
    120 @ 15
    140 @ 12
    140 @ 12
    -final set normal feet
    160 @ 10
    -Superset-
    4 plates @ 20
    4 plates @ 20
    5 plates @ 15
    5 plates @ 15
    -final set normal feet
    6 plates @ 15

    One Legged Leg Press
    2 plates @ 20
    2 plates + 25lbs @ 15
    3 plates @ 12

    Lying Leg Curls
    130 @ 15
    150 @ 12
    170 @ 10
    180 @ 8

    Glute Kick Machine
    50 @ 12
    60 @ 10

    Notes: Vascularity is becomeing greater each workout, Today I was with a friend and messing around and did an abbs and thigh pose and there was nice vascularity in my calfs and shins, good feeling.

    Legs felt full, explosive strength, endurance is improving

    Sides: Same as last time, not getting any better or worse. I think the hair thing was just a 1day thing, hasnt happend again since.
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  13. Nice weight gain so far


  14. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Damnit....I knew it was. But when i typed it, it looked funny.....lol
    I do that all the time man.
  15. Day 21


    Sorry for the lack of updayes fella's ive been real busy and out of town on anf off for the last week or so. I've stayed on my doseing protocal and for the most part with my food. It's going real well and today I weighd in @ 192. Thats +10lbs. Now this wasnt at my normal weigh time and im pretty sure there is a good amount of water im holding on to after a wedding and an open house last weekend. None the less I dont appear any "fatter" so i'll take it. My clothes are beggining to become more snug, while there is no change in the waist line, or so it feels that way.


    Notes: Great pump in the gym 2day, felt a little more aggressive in there the last few days. Strength is stil slowly improveing. Not where id like it to be but its sure comming along. I think this has to do with sticking to the same workout routine each week. Although ive seen more muscle growth trainning like this so its a trade-off i guess. I feel great, good mood outside the gym. Lidido is waaaaaaaay up

    Sides: Dry joints. Now my shoulders and elbows are feeling dry, along with my knees stil. Its irritateing more than painful if anything.

    Next monday I'll start my 100mg Formestane TD, 50mg 1st thing in the morning and 50mg after I get outta the shower at nite (about a 12hr split). I was orig. going with 200mg but chose to drop the dose because of some findings with other peoples experiences. I will also weigh in, in the morning and take measurements.

    This is the leanest I have ever been at 190 so all is going well. I was close to 190 last summer and thought I was leaner than I am now but after looking at pictures from last summer, my muscles are WAAAY fuller now and I'm a good bit bigger now than then. I think it was because I was real tan last summer. For me tan=lean.

    Now my belly is pastey white and I stil have 6 visible abbs when I flex. Usually when Im this pale my abbs are napping under a nice layer of fat because Im heavy into a bulk.
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  16. Keep up the good work

  17. You are definitely tempting me to try pulsing....any signs of shutdown yet???

    I still dont see how this is possible but so far reports have seemed very good.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    You are definitely tempting me to try pulsing....any signs of shutdown yet???

    I still dont see how this is possible but so far reports have seemed very good.
    Nope. I mean in 3 oral cycles I've only felt shtity once and that was on M1T after the 2nd week, and was beggining to feel kinda funny at the end of a Masterdrol/M1-P cycle. I dont really know what beeing shutdown feels like per-say, but In those 3 cycle I've never felt this good all around on this "cycle".

    Have you noticed how most people report feeling a real kick in natty test and what not on sundays? Well I think I know what their talking about on sundays I do feel diff than during most of the week. On sundays Libido is crazy high.

    Also recovery is starting to become better than in the beggining if that counts for anything
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  19. Day 23


    Well I was right, I was bloated big time. Weighed myself today and came in @ 188.5.

    I hit back today and it went well, im not guna post daily workouts anymore. I got a new workout log so i'm just gonna leave it in there and give you guys the added weights.

    Notes: Good workout, although I was un motivated today. I had real nice recovery inbetween sets. Overall good feeling 2day, although getting aggrivated a little easier over the past few days. Strength is stil increaseing little by litte

    Sides: No change, although my left shoulder is bothering me more and more. I had a little trouble doing bodyweight pull-ups 2day so I switched to the machine.

    Ok, I have a question for anyone who's willing to answer.....
    I have ok looking abbs, you can see them but they dont pop out or anything. When I pull down on from my lower abbs they really pop out. Is this fat covering them as i usually struggle to keep a lean mid-section, are they just blurred by excess water from creatine, or both?
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  20. Good log man!

    My shoulder has been achey (is that spelled right?) too I am going to be nice to it a couple of sessions

  21. Thanks peece, your log looks like its going pretty nice. I've been watching quietly. Im looking forward to using it on my off weeks and P.C.T.

    I liked the 6-bromo in the Rebound Reloaded, and i like Cissus so it should go real nice.
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  22. Didnt train today, my left shoulder is really hurting...bad. I think I did it swinging the other day on a nasty 2-1,low and away change-up. The pitcher made me look real dumb

    I was suppose to hit shoulders 2day but I'll hold off til 2maro and try to hit shoulders w/ arms. Shouldn't be bad
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  23. WHAT IS TOREM??/

    I searched for it and cant find what it is

  24. Toremifene Citrate. A "SERM" used in Post cycle therapy to control estrogen and help bring back healthy testosterone functions
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  25. Day 27


    Im am done with the first wave of the pulse. I just need to add my formestane to my penatrate and I'll be good to go.

    I will apply 50mg after morning shower and another 50mg after evening shower. Yea i sweat alot. I also picked up some RPM and ill run that pre-workout @ 4 caps, and on off days take 1 in the am and 1 again later on.

    After this 2 week "off" duration I'll start up again on the havoc and i will run the Formestane until it's out. I will also continue the RPM.

    I made a mistake earlier and said I was starting the Cissus-Drol in 2 weeks, I lied it'll be 4 weeks. This way i can run it during P.C.T. and can save some of the goodies I purchased for later, and from the logs the Cissus-Drol looks like something that would be great to keep my gains while maybe adding.
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  26. Day 28


    Started the formestane 2day. I put on what i think is 50mg formestane after the morning shower.

    I had 20gr of the stuff but had gave some to a buddy a while back. I measured out 2 1/4t. which is ~4950mg formestane. From tub saying 1/4t = 550mg.

    I forgot to take measurements this am so i'll do it 2maro. Everything is going well but my shoulder. I upped the cissus to 2caps 3x's a day until it gets better (slowly is).

    The diet has been kinda shatty the last week, that open house+wedding weekend threw me off a little.With my daily diet about 70% beeing on target food and the other 30% beeing cereal. For some reason ive been addicted latley
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  27. :( Day 29


    I've got some bad bad bad news. I went into the office realy this morning because my shoulder really hurt this morning and this has been going on for about a week now.

    Sadly I may have to under go surgery on my left rotator cuff. I am going to start 4 weeks of rehab starting 2maro. because theres no real situation I remember injuring it so it may just be severly inflammed and takin some time off may help.

    Therefore I have to stop the cycle. Theres really no point now that I can only left legs and abbs. I wil likely take a 6-8 week lay-off from the weights until I can get the ok from the doctor.

    When I come back I'll start my Cissus-Drol log. I have some left over Nolvadex trib and retain sitting around that i'll run as a precaution. About 2 weeks of each left. Im really mad as I was making great progress.

    I'm extremly sorry to Generic Labz for me getting injured and unable to run a log right now. But I will run one as soon as I feel I can get the best out of Cissus-Drol which will likley be in 8 weeks.
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  28. Shoulder injuries suck, hopefully you just need some time off. Good luck man!

  29. Good luck with your recovery

    Getting injured sucks, I just got back into the gym a few months ago from a injury that had me out of the gym for almost a year

  30. Best to ya D.W. heal fast
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