[rampage jackson]

I'm looking to start my Havoc cycle this week. I'm mainly looking for some recomp, but I won't ***** about strength gains. Here is the rundown:

Sex: Male
Age:25
Height:5'10.5"
Weight 235
BF: 19-21%
Cycle Exp: Superdrol about a year and a half ago. Receptors should be fresh and clean.

Cycle
Week 1: 20mg Havoc, Ephedrine w/ Basic Cuts, Yellow Gold w/ Carbs, Sesathin, AX Cycle Support

Week 2: 30mg Havoc, same others as week 1

Week 3: 30mg Havoc, drop the Ephedrine

Week 4: 40mg Havoc, same as others...without ephedrine (may either add 1 day at 40mg and finish off the remaining 20mg, or may go last 2 days at 50mg)


post cycle therapy:
Week 1: 40mg Nolva, Axis Labs Hypertest, CEE, Yellow Gold (I'm toying with the idea of adding a fatburner here). +25mg ATD

Week 2: 30mg Nolva, same as week 1 + 50mg ATD

Week 3: 20mg Nolva, same as 1 + 75mg ATD

Week 4: 10mg Nolva, same as 1 + 25mg ATD



Basic workout: 3 day split...Heavy as possible 10/8/6 reps +warmups

Fairly competitive semi-pro softball practices 1-2x per week (1 on weeks with games), and 1-2 games most weeks. This will primarily take the place of cardio.

Calories: 2200 non-workout days 40/30/30
2400-2700 workout days 40/40/20

I know the Kcals seem low, but I am running an AS while recomping, so I think I'll be ok.

Ultimate Goal: Lose some bf, gain some str/muscle

Hows that look? I wanted to do the inverse serm/ai... but I really want to avoid running ATD higher than 50mg (it kills my joints). I'm doing this cycle off of stuff that I've had in-hand for awhile, so I can start right away (which I want to do). Is the post cycle therapy looking ok?

I'm planning on keeping an infrequent log (updated whenever I feel like it).

[metroba]

you forgot the cycle support in your pct.

[rampage jackson]

Originally Posted by metroba

you forgot the cycle support in your post cycle therapy.

Ehh...I knew I was forgetting something.

I'm running Perfect Cycle for the duration. My bad. How does everyone feel about the PCT aside from that oversight?

I know it seems weird to run 10mg for the first week (well 6 days actually), but I feel like I can get more out of the cycle this way, as I have nearly virgin receptors at this point.

[metroba]

any paticular reason you are running your nolva at 30 mg your first week instead of 40mg? looks like awesome stack. cant wait to see your results.

[klugman]

I'd throw in some winz-trol by Juggernaut.

I'm using Methoxy TST right now with Havoc and I'm somewhat bloated.
Strong though. Not gorging on the carbs.

Good luck!!!

[macedaddy]

increase nolva doseage first two weeks, other than that...........GOOD LUCK!

[klugman]

I just thought of this...I'd throw in some prostate support.

Ephedrine and gear can put a lot of stress on the prostate...so better to be safe than sorry.

I like NOW nutrition soft gels.

[rampage jackson]

Originally Posted by macedaddy

increase nolva doseage first two weeks, other than that...........GOOD LUCK!

40-30-20-10 sound better?

[UNCfan1]

Good luck Rampage. Looking forward to seeing how Havoc works for u.

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by rampage jackson

40-30-20-10 sound better?

yes sir! or get some torem......120, 90, 60, 30, 15

[rampage jackson]

Thanks guys...Upon further review (Thanks Poopy!) I decided to run a PCT protocol similar to his Epistane one. All the additional supplements are the same, but I'm going 40-30-20-10 Nolva, then 25-50-75-25 ATD. I'm going to toss in some Cissus if the joints get too bad...

[rampage jackson]

I'm stuck with Nolva right now...have 2 bottles, and just bought an engagement ring (plus summer classes).

[Travis]

Good luck Rampage. I sorta do think its a waste to run at 10mg for 6 days. I didnt notice anything at 20mg's and took until week 2 at 30mgs to really feel it. But you dont necessarily have to feel it for it to be working either.

[rampage jackson]

Originally Posted by Travis

Good luck Rampage. I sorta do think its a waste to run at 10mg for 6 days. I didnt notice anything at 20mg's and took until week 2 at 30mgs to really feel it. But you dont necessarily have to feel it for it to be working either.

Ya, I'd been thinking about that most of the day. I changed my cycle plan to reflect that.

[Travis]

Are you going to use any DHEA while on it? Just curious. I didnt, but I thought I saw Dsade recommend it in a thread about Havoc and lowered libido. I know my libido dropped....not bad but it went down.

[rampage jackson]

Originally Posted by Travis

Are you going to use any DHEA while on it? Just curious. I didnt, but I thought I saw Dsade recommend it in a thread about Havoc and lowered libido. I know my libido dropped....not bad but it went down.

I dunno...I suppose I could though...I guess I am taking stims and gear... I wonder what the dose would look like...

[Travis]

Originally Posted by rampage jackson

I dunno...I suppose I could though...I guess I am taking stims and gear... I wonder what the dose would look like...

I looked through a few logs but didnt find much in DHEA dosing. It may not be an issue for you as I have seen several people that said their libido actually increased with havoc. Either way its something I need to research more...