Late to the Havoc party...
- 05-05-2007, 11:56 AM
- 05-05-2007, 02:10 PM
- 05-07-2007, 09:06 PM
Alright today was my last day of havoc and I weighted in at 208.5 (edit...put 108.5, lol). My beginning weight was 199, so not counting water I at least gained a few pounds. I also appear much leaner/cut especially in my arms and stomach. Anyways.....pictures shortly.
05-07-2007, 09:08 PM
05-07-2007, 09:11 PM
05-07-2007, 09:14 PM
Just some comments about the pics.
Sorta look the same in those pics dont I? I actually think that i appear a lot more cut now then the beginning of the cycle. But not in those pics for some reason. Unfortunately my upper chest still looks lagging. I really have spent the last 2 months trying to work this out and I am still not seeing a ton of improvement. Oh well. I'll keep at it.
I wish i would have taken pics of my back and legs. Its so hard photographing yourself with a cell phone though!
05-08-2007, 08:54 PM
Did legs tonight....wow my quads were full today. Also first weigh in after cycle and I was up to 210.5! That could obviously be some carry over but nonetheless....
I took two MassFX today. Anyone know if Massfx should be taken with food or with an empty stomach??? I have taken BAM before but I know this is a little different.
05-10-2007, 09:31 PM
Anyone on the MassFX question?
Also just an update PCT is going well. I am still weighing in at 210.5 this morning and I am not sure if it is the combination of AP and Powerfull but the pumps in the gym have been awesome.....awesome to the point of painful specifically in my lats and bi's.
05-11-2007, 07:19 PM
Thought i would post more good news. Weight went up some more! At 112.5 now and it doesnt appear to be more fat. Holla
05-12-2007, 01:57 AM
05-12-2007, 02:53 AM
05-17-2007, 09:01 PM
Just thought I'd give a lil PCT update. Sh*t is going real real well right now. Weight is holding between 208 and 212 and I seem to be getting leaner! Im not sure which supp it is but pumps in the gym have been better than when I was on havoc! I believe this is the massfx. Strength seems to be going up still.
I haven't deadlifted in about a month or two. Worked up to 325 today and it felt easy. All time max is around 375. I think I will put in a couple of weeks and maybe shoot for 400 if things keep up like this.
Just for the record these supps are being used in PCT:
creatine and other staples...
05-17-2007, 09:20 PM
05-21-2007, 01:43 PM
Any updates on how your post cycle therapy stack is going? paticularly interested in how the mass fx is doing for you.
05-21-2007, 06:54 PM
On another note I got into work today, sat down, and suddenly got a bad pain in my chest. I thought it might be heartburn but it was on the opposite side of my chest under the inner pec. It only hurts when I lean forward....bought to head to the gym so I'll see how it feels.
05-21-2007, 08:47 PM
Well I had another good workout. Im thinking the chest pain was possibly an issue with an oblique muscle. I have had tight obliques off and on (not really sure why). Once I got in there it seemed to loosen up a bit and really isnt bothering me.
Weight this morning was 207lbs. Down from where it has been but I did a lot of cardio this weekend and seem to be dropping a little bit of BF. Im thinking I may get the BF tested again in a week or two here. Started using sesathin and I have some albuterol on its way to start a cutting cycle after this PCT. I dont think I have really cut below 12% in a long time (pry since high school), so it will be interesting to see if I can even do it.
05-21-2007, 09:58 PM
Just a suggestion,..
Don't start to cut for another week at least.
You dopn't wanbt to be cutting right off the bat. Give yourself a little time to get your natty test up some.
MASSFX is also a good bullker, so you should keep your cals the same as when you finished your cycle. Remember, your going to have to eat more to support the extra weight. Especially now, if you drop back to your old eating habbits, you'll probably continue to drop weight..
The supps should help, just eat for 208, as opposed for 199
05-21-2007, 10:06 PM
05-21-2007, 10:54 PM
To stretch your right obliques, put your right knee on a flat bench and stand on your left foot just to the left of the bench. Your right foot can hang over front edge of the bench to get a good "grip." Lean forward like your are lunging on your left leg. Rotate your waist to the left and look upward. Allow your right hip joint to "open up" stretching the hip flexor and lower abs. You may have seen some wrestlers doing this stretch.
If you feel it too much in your hip flexor, grab the bench upright to your left with your right hand to pull your trunk into more rotation. The "opening up" from your hip to your rib cage is the most important part.
05-22-2007, 11:57 AM
05-22-2007, 06:14 PM
06-04-2007, 10:16 AM
06-04-2007, 06:22 PM
06-05-2007, 12:28 AM
06-05-2007, 06:20 PM
I think havoc and PP would be an awesome combination if you want to run two orals like that....i personally wouldnt. My next cycle is looking like some havoc stacked with formestane. Then I may use massfx in pct or hypertest (need to decide on that yet). I will also be using nolva and retain 2 in pct. And add to all that some IGF, but the timing will be a little different and I'll post all that in a new log.
06-05-2007, 06:32 PM
06-05-2007, 06:40 PM
And thanks for the support!
06-05-2007, 06:52 PM
Get ready for a ride if you've never tried TD form before. A few of us have user reviews on some other sites PM me if you want to find out more. TD form kicks in on the first dose, even at 20mg for me personally.
Hypethetically speaking, if you ran 6 weeks of Havoc, would you run form 1-4 or 3-6 and why? The reason I'm asking is because I've heard some rumors that form causes shutdown and I want to avoid major problems on cycle.
06-05-2007, 06:59 PM
Yeah I will definitely start out the TD form in smaller doses and see how I react.
I have heard the same rumors regarding the shutdown. IMO if you have a proper PCT and are confident in it then the shutdown should be something you expect....it sucks but yeah its part of the game. I would more than likely not do 6 weeks of havoc...probably 5 at the most and it would use it weeks 3-5. At least that is the plan right now.
I am trying to figure out the dosage for havoc and I was thinking one of these options:
Not sure at this point. I didnt really react to havoc at 20 or 30mg's. I am tryin to find some logs of other guys who ran havoc or epi at a higher dosage to see how they did. I may hit ya up for some TD questions once it gets closer to go time.
06-06-2007, 10:04 PM
06-07-2007, 09:25 PM
Just an update I started a cut using a few things including albuterol, sesathin, and a lot of cardio.
I am only on day 5 of using the albuterol at 8mgs/day. It must be raising my blood pressure b/c I have been getting headaches and I rarely ever get headaches. I have started using Life Support and it has cleared up the headaches (its noticable very quickly). I am still not too sure I'll continue to use albuterol if the headaches continue or worsen. Either way my abs are coming in.
Going to get my BF tested here in a week or so again, then I am getting a comprehensive blood test June 19th to make sure everything is in check. I'll post pics after my cut is done....or i get tired of being a skinny bastard.
06-25-2007, 02:25 PM
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