well PCT is finished for me as of last thurs or fri n i had stopped (ran out) of the torem last mon or so. the balls are lookin HUGE bigger then before the cycle even although without blood i cant say much else other then test is prob back to norm.

i personally recomend that you spend at least as much time off as you spent on and some others even suggest as far as going as long between cycles to an equal amount of time spent on AND pct put together.

that being said you could prob run safely 3 epi cycles a year and if you pushed it 4. another choice is to pulse Epi in a more long term and constant fashion and get some small but keepable and constant gains. with it being a fairly new method though and i liking my full fledged effects from a good old cycle im not familiar with when and if an off time is necessary for that and how long it would be.

thanks for the congrats bro its apreciated keep me updated on if you run it and how it turns out for you...... although im sure it will be nothing short of great

ok so what you`re saying is that i should run epi 8 times a year and run tren for about 7 months at a time...... ok.

lol when i saw your name on the next post i already knew what you were gonna say... lol.

Originally Posted by poopypants

lol when i saw your name on the next post i already knew what you were gonna say... lol.

thats right whore! you better know what i be sayin!!! word?

WORD!

Originally Posted by Chad

ok so what you`re saying is that i should run epi 8 times a year and run tren for about 7 months at a time...... ok.

Time off tren::: News to me!!!

Adams

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Time off tren::: News to me!!!

Adams

yeah i didnt believe it either!!! but some people think that running 19 month cycles of tren at 175mg ED is a bad idea. *********!!

Originally Posted by Chad

yeah i didnt believe it either!!! but some people think that running 19 month cycles of tren at 175mg ED is a bad idea. *********!!

What pansies... or maybe just cant strait afford it, and talk trash on the true warriors!!!

Adams

Originally Posted by DAdams91982

What pansies... or maybe just cant strait afford it, and talk trash on the true warriors!!!

Adams

right on bro!!! i dont care if i gotta mug my grandma, im getting my tren!

i decided to take both my earlier review and my dosing schedule and place them into a single post as well as before and after pics so that everyone can get my cycle in a nutshell without havin to tear through my entire log, although are welcome to if they want more details.

Epi is EVERYTHING that i read it claimed to be.... now wether or not percentages or matching compounds are up to claims thats the Biz of Dr D and IBE and i could care less. all label claims and expectations were met...

• i gained OVER 13.5lbs and rising
  
• i had a CONSIDERABLE reduction in gyno including the lack of ANY pain in either nipple unless flicked or pinched (and come on that just hurts anyways)
  
• i experienced an increase in vascularity in the arms and would have more as well in other places if i were not all out bulking (and as you can see from my AVI it still goes on very clean)
  
• i experienced GREAT in gym endurance with incredible recovery between sets and a pump that lasts all day but just EXLPODES in the gym (diet helps here guys)
  
• and i pushed all my MAXES from starting off comin back weak from a year off to @ least +35-50lbs on every exercise and on some exercises MUCH MORE SO (flys ARE OVER +100lbs, started barely able to finish my highest set @ 90lbs and last night crushed 195lbs till the very last rep)

all in all i could not have chosen a more fitting supplement to get back in the game and would suggest this compound to ANYONE, from first cyclers(do your homework guys) to cutters AND bulkers, but especially those who want to rid gyno and STILL BE "ON"!.

in comparison:

to other supps id have to say its WAY up there. personally i loved superdrol and as you all know even more so i loved Phera.

• superdrol can throw weight on faster and if i had apllied myself as hard as i did this time then who knows what i woulda done... but with the sides i brought while on, and gyno it brought later i wont ever touch the stuff again....
  
• phera WAS OUTSTANDING in the strength department and i actually did a great job puttin it on with that as well but although mild i still had acne and oily skin and very very minimul hairloss (wich all returned after dicontinuation) and with Epi ive not experienced any of this in the slightest... dont know but i expect Poseidon helped here (acne) with its vit b complexes.....
  
• agian to mtrn... well for me strength couldnt be matched with this supp... but i had very minimal weight gain AND CONSIDERABLE ACNE and oily skin.... wont be using it again as its not around and if i could use it it would only be stacked @ a very low dose.... ( how do you get lower then 1.5mg)...
  
• ....as for M1t.... well we wont even go there...

... so Epi is an obvious preference over all these supps...

heres what i did......

Week Epistane/Cissus/Poseidon/Mass Fx/Powerfull/Toremifene/HDX2/CEE/AEE/CitMalate
120mg(10mg 2x 5days)/30mg(10mg morn/20mg p.w.o 2days)/3600mg(1800mg 2x ed)
230mg(10mg am/10mg pwo/10mg pm for 3 days)40mg (10mg am/10 mg aft/10mg pre&post w/o for 4 days)/3600mg(1800mg 2x ed)/20g(5g 4x ed)
340mg (10mg am/10 mg aft/10mg pre&post w/o)/3600mg(1800mg 2x ed)/20g(5g 4x ed)
440mg (10mg am/10 mg aft/10mg pre&post w/o)/3600mg(1800mg 2x ed)/20g(5g 4x ed)/2 caps(530mg 2x for 5 days)/4 caps(spread out for 3 days)/120mg (LAST DAY ONLY)
5120mg(1days)/90mg(5days)/75mg(1day)/4 caps(spread out)/4 caps(530mg 4x ed)/3960mg(1320mg 3x ed)/
3600mg(1800mg 2x ed)/2gea. respectively before w/o drink and 5g crea mono after w/o
675mg(5days)/60mg(2days)/4 caps(spread out)/4 caps(530mg 4x ed)/3960mg(1320mg 3x ed)/
3600mg(1800mg 2x ed)/2gea. respectively before w/o drink and 5g crea mono after w/o
760mg/4 caps(spread out)/4 caps(530mg 4x ed)/3960mg(1320mg 3x ed)/
3600mg(1800mg 2x ed)/2gea. respectively before w/o drink and 5g crea mono after w/o
830mg(till it was out, like 3 days)/4 caps(spread out)/4 caps(530mg 4x until out)/3960mg(1320mg 3x ed)/
3600mg(1800mg 2x ed)/2gea. respectively before w/o drink and 5g crea mono after w/o

a couple days i missed a dose on the Epi thus being able to run it for a ful 28 days in case you add it and realize its off by like 3 or 4 pills otherwise everything is pretty damn accurate and i even went back and double checked ED to make sure it was all good..... so this as close as i can get for a "simple" chart for exactly what i dosed this cycle.

I hope this helps in everyones researching of Epi and that it is usefull

I finished post cycle therapy on fri (torem ran out bout last mon or tues)

and have a final weigh in of 183 Even for a total cycle gain of 17.5lbs









Current: Cycles End, End Of PCT Photo

im special

good stuff, defineatly reduction in the gyno/puffiness there. I had pretty good results on epi, weight gain wasnt all there but ill fully admit thats my fault i wasnt pounding the calories like i should of. Ill be giving epi another run when 3ad or 11oxo comes out. Excellent results.

poopy did you have hard lumps?
or just puffyness?

no i had lumps for sure and still have small ones BUT not nearly the hershey kiss sized lumps that were there before and still no pain or tenderness has returned. i cant wait to run it again and hopefully will see an extermination of what remains!

Originally Posted by poopypants

no i had lumps for sure and still have small ones BUT not nearly the hershey kiss sized lumps that were there before and still no pain or tenderness has returned. i cant wait to run it again and hopefully will see an extermination of what remains!

EPI RULES!!!!

ya it sure does! cant wait to blow it up with some 3-AD epi and wet compound of choice stack later this summer!!!

poopy, i have a couple off topic questions for ya. i'm on week 2 of my s.d/zol cycle. i started at 10mg s.d and 100mg zol and now i'm up to 20mg s.d and 150mg zol (beginning of week 2). i have this week and next week on s.d @ 20mg then i'm off and was wondering if it would be a good idea to throw the mega trn in for three weeks. i'm also running the zol for 6 weeks total at 150mg throughout.

i never experienced gyno from my prior two s.d cycles but am terrified of getting it with the trn. i'm worried that the presence of superdrol for three weeks might somehow make it easier for me to get gyno with the trn. with that being said, if i do get the early signs, i have some nolva/clomid combo on hand leftover from a previous cycle. can i take that (being that its a combo) if gyno rears its ugly head?? of course nolva is the general protocol but i have not seen anybody take a combo while on. thanks for helping out!

Hey poop, dont have time to read your whole log, just a few questions please:

Did you feel a diuretic effect at all on epi?? Loss of water, dry joints, cramps, back pumps, etc??

If/when you run it again, will you start higher say @40 day??

How was your aggression??

Where there any negatives for you??

Originally Posted by sfearl1

poopy, i have a couple off topic questions for ya. i'm on week 2 of my s.d/zol cycle. i started at 10mg s.d and 100mg zol and now i'm up to 20mg s.d and 150mg zol (beginning of week 2). i have this week and next week on s.d @ 20mg then i'm off and was wondering if it would be a good idea to throw the mega trn in for three weeks. i'm also running the zol for 6 weeks total at 150mg throughout.

i never experienced gyno from my prior two s.d cycles but am terrified of getting it with the trn. i'm worried that the presence of superdrol for three weeks might somehow make it easier for me to get gyno with the trn. with that being said, if i do get the early signs, i have some nolva/clomid combo on hand leftover from a previous cycle. can i take that (being that its a combo) if gyno rears its ugly head?? of course nolva is the general protocol but i have not seen anybody take a combo while on. thanks for helping out!

i dont know that gyno would be you biggest worry with the TRN and if anything its gonna be the shutdown youll have to worry about... if you dont mind being active for at least a month or 2 after this cycle then you might go for it, youll need to make sure to run an equaly long post cycle therapy(at least 6 weeks with support supplements). BUT if you need to running the combo wont be a prob as long as your making sure to get the 20mg worth of nolva needed.

honestly what are your goals? if cutting then id say go for it, if your trying to bulk though then your best off saving the TRN for something wetter to match it with, either PP or m-tst. It gave me no weight gain BUT killer strength, i only think its worth taking with a serious weight gainer. its not worth taking it to just stay on longer if its not going to necessarily help you accomplish your goals and it could be better used later. ya hear me?

let me know though.

Originally Posted by RoadBlock

Hey poop, dont have time to read your whole log, just a few questions please:

Did you feel a diuretic effect at all on epi?? Loss of water, dry joints, cramps, back pumps, etc??

If/when you run it again, will you start higher say @40 day??

How was your aggression??

Where there any negatives for you??

yes i felt very dry on Epi, didnt have too much joint pain specially while i was mega dosing Cissus (check a couple posts up to see my dosing schedule) but for the week or so i wasnt taking any my joints started hurting (mostly shoulders and elbows and knees). not too much extra water loss or extra urination though and only had back pumps i think 2 times when i didnt drink enough water one day while working 13 hours in a hot attic.... coulda got cramps anyhow from that BUT also got it once while working out. that was it.

not IF but WHEN () i take Epi again i will be taking it starting @20-30mg (still think its better since it will take a while to kick it anyhow) but then as soon as i "feel" it (this time was a week in) ill bump to and keep it at 40mg.... maybe 50mg in the last week. we'll have to see with this new version.

as far as aggression no, i was in a very good mood most the cycle and had a nice sense of well being but when it came to lifting i threw em up like i hated em worse then broccoli..... lol. in other words still had great in gym focus.

and as far as the negatives.... none, nill, nada, zip, zilcho, ZERO..... cept those 2 back pumps... i literrally didnt want to come off, was gaining 2 lbs every 3-4 days up till the very end and felt like a million bucks.... who would WANT to stop that? but alas i knew it was whats best and i just didnt have anymore.

Originally Posted by poopypants

i dont know that gyno would be you biggest worry with the TRN and if anything its gonna be the shutdown youll have to worry about... if you dont mind being active for at least a month or 2 after this cycle then you might go for it, youll need to make sure to run an equaly long post cycle therapy(at least 6 weeks with support supplements). BUT if you need to running the combo wont be a prob as long as your making sure to get the 20mg worth of nolva needed.

honestly what are your goals? if cutting then id say go for it, if your trying to bulk though then your best off saving the TRN for something wetter to match it with, either PP or m-tst. It gave me no weight gain BUT killer strength, i only think its worth taking with a serious weight gainer. its not worth taking it to just stay on longer if its not going to necessarily help you accomplish your goals and it could be better used later. ya hear me?

let me know though.

i'm cutting and already have noticed a difference with the mega zol and the s.d vs s.d alone. five more weeks of this stuff and i think i'll be pretty damn lean especially if trn is added to the picture. of course my strength from the dro is through the roof. now when you are talking about post cycle, you say at least six weeks with support supplements. are you talking 4 weeks serm and extend the support supplements for 6 or are you saying the whole package should be six weeks long? also what did you mean by being active for a month or 2 after? did you mean running stuff as in post cycle for a month or 2? thanks for the feedback.

Originally Posted by sfearl1

i'm cutting and already have noticed a difference with the mega zol and the s.d vs s.d alone. five more weeks of this stuff and i think i'll be pretty damn lean especially if trn is added to the picture. of course my strength from the dro is through the roof. now when you are talking about post cycle, you say at least six weeks with support supplements. are you talking 4 weeks serm and extend the support supplements for 6 or are you saying the whole package should be six weeks long? also what did you mean by being active for a month or 2 after? did you mean running stuff as in post cycle for a month or 2? thanks for the feedback.

as far as the serm is concerned i would first suggest torem, that shii is worth its weight in gold and will get your nuts plump before you know it, but if your not noticing anything by the 3rd week maybe grab somemore, as for the rest then id just run maybe a low dose AI and some test boosters, maybe mass fx or just powerfull anything at all that will help you get back into commision. this stack will be great for cutting but its gonna shut you down hard. gl my man.

Originally Posted by poopypants

as far as the serm is concerned i would first suggest torem, that shii is worth its weight in gold and will get your nuts plump before you know it, but if your not noticing anything by the 3rd week maybe grab somemore, as for the rest then id just run maybe a low dose AI and some test boosters, maybe mass fx or just powerfull anything at all that will help you get back into commision. this stack will be great for cutting but its gonna shut you down hard. gl my man.

yeah i am ordering the rest of my pct. this week. i ran tor my last cycle and loved it the first two weeks then felt like my libido took a nosedive after that. i'm still up in the air for the serm. the rest would be massfx/hdx2, fenu, life support, and then the serm that i choose. anything else you'd add? i have a sealed bottle of activate laying around as well but thought that would be overkill.

Originally Posted by sfearl1

yeah i am ordering the rest of my post cycle therapy. this week. i ran tor my last cycle and loved it the first two weeks then felt like my libido took a nosedive after that. i'm still up in the air for the serm. the rest would be massfx/hdx2, fenu, life support, and then the serm that i choose. anything else you'd add? i have a sealed bottle of activate laying around as well but thought that would be overkill.

some type of cortisol blocker.........

Originally Posted by macedaddy

some type of cortisol blocker.........

yeah i forgot i also have a brand new bottle of retain 2 sitting here for post cycle. man i am really supporting ax these days...

Super log, Poopy and very nice results also. Since Epistane seems so gentle on the liver, do you think it would be OK to run it longer? I mean... Long... Like 10 weeks?

i was contemplating a similar thing.... 3-AD and Epi for 8 weeks..... i dont see why it couldnt be done.

Originally Posted by poopypants

i was contemplating a similar thing.... 3-AD and Epi for 8 weeks..... i dont see why it couldnt be done.

the question is how much to dose for that long

DR. D in the house?

word.... since hes the man behind BOTH of these.... i would think a low dose would still be great.... not exceeding 20mg in the first 4 weeks of epi and 300 of 3-ad..... then maybe bump it for the last 4???? hows that sound .... OOOOHHHH DR. DEEEEEEEEEEE-EEEEEEE

Originally Posted by poopypants

word.... since hes the man behind BOTH of these.... i would think a low dose would still be great.... not exceeding 20mg in the first 4 weeks of epi and 300 of 3-ad..... then maybe bump it for the last 4???? hows that sound .... OOOOHHHH DR. DEEEEEEEEEEE-EEEEEEE

DUDE! i am totally rocking the 900mg dosing of 3-AD! you know i like to do it HARDCORE!

but the epi is the question.......do we do 10/20/30/40/40/30/20/10?
or 40 the whole time?
dare we do more than 40?

poops, lets get this party started! tandem logs, man!

900!!!! i wish i could get enough 3-AD to rock that much!

although i got the Epi on lockdown ..... i would think that especially stacked that mmore then 40 wouldnt even be necessary, in all honesty.

esp after running it that long then putting a larger load on your liver like that... dunno, it all truely depends on HOW toxic it really is.... we need tha D....

as for the LOG im down.... BUT i agreed with EST to try propadrol since there arent really any stand alone logs done on it as of right now, everyone is gonna be logging their 3-AD experience as i can see and i cant wait to get on it too and log it pooper style, but i think that the community can benifit from a good prop log too though since its non existant right now and so many are curious about it...... im so conflitcted right now.