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    SUPERCISSUS Rx Log


    Background Info :
    I've been lifting since I was 19.Spent 5yrs powerlifting and in the last couple of years have got back into riding motocross bikes.
    Last year I had a big crash and fractured my radius(right elbow).I used USP cissus to aid my recovery and was very impressed with the results.
    4 weeks ago I had another high speed crash and injured the same elbow.So I have decided to log my supercissus use in my recovery from this injury.


    Medical treatment has been physio 3 times a week and acupuncture for some nerve damage in the elbow & shoulder.No anti-inflammatory medication.

    Since this injury I have been unable to do any chest pressing exercises.And limited shoulder presses.Also very minimal arm training.

    Supplements :
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    Taurine 5g/d
    Vitamin C 2g/d
    Whey protein
    Zinc 30mg/d
    Magnesium 600mg/d

    Dosage :
    Have started the supercissus at 4 caps a day and will run at this for a week then maybe up the dosage a bit depending on any results.

    Training :
    Monday - Chest + Arms
    Wednesday - Legs + Calves
    Friday - Back + Arms
    Saturday - Shoulders + Legs(only if not riding on sunday)

    Any feedback most welcome.



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    Friday's Training :
    Tonite was back & arms.This is my 3rd day on the cissus and already I've noticed a real improvement in the amount of pain and discomfort felt when training.

    Completed a good solid back workout and also was able to give my biceps & triceps some much needed attention.Strenght wasn't great but being able to train with minimal pain in the elbow sure helps.

    I am aware that cissus does have a pain killing effect so I'm being cautious about placing any undue stress on my elbow.But in saying that Sunday is riding day and the call of man+machine vs nature sure is a strong one.
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    keep up the goodwork tsb!!!
    dont forget to get some glutamine in the mix
    just out of curosity how come your training legs and arms twice a week?
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    Great to see someone finally doing a new improved cissus log. I'll be watching tbs, keep it up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vince spider View Post
    keep up the goodwork tsb!!!
    dont forget to get some glutamine in the mix
    just out of curosity how come your training legs and arms twice a week?
    You need to read those pubmed studies on glutamine Vince.

    I don't always use this training program.Tend to change it every 4 to 6 weeks.For me I find that training arms twice a week gives better results.I don't do alot of sets and really like supersetting biceps & triceps.
    For legs it usually is only once a week but every 2nd week I swap squats and deadlifts.Doing some extra quad exercises on a sat in DL week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Great to see someone finally doing a new improved cissus log. I'll be watching tbs, keep it up!
    Thanks for the support.

    Saturdays Training :
    This mornings workout was light shoulders & light legs.
    Forgot to mention that on wed night I did train shoulders but because I not lifting with the intensity and amount of weight I normally do so I'm training some body parts twice a week.

    Pain and discomfort in my elbow & shoulder continue to improve.But the real test will come monday when I train chest.By then I would have been on the supercissus 6 days.But so far it's been all positive and I would say that compared to the old USP cissus this newer stuff has been gold.
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    All the best in your recovery TSB.
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    I'm following man. Good luck.
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    Thanks guys.

    Sunday :
    This was going to be riding day.
    Time for some crusty demons ( well maybe just crusty and very little demon ) , anyway but as luck would have it the gods were against me or was that my wife ?.Easy to confuse the two.End result , no riding today.

    Monday's Training :
    Tonight was chest & arms.
    I tried some bench presses but found these fairly painful.Both in the elbow & shoulder.Started thinking the worst.
    Moved on to decline DB presses.These I could do.Managed a couple of sets with the 90lbs.This is about 40lbs less than what I normally lift but considering I haven't trained chest in 4-5 weeks this was dam pleasing.Also managed to complete some chest dips.
    Arms continue to improve in strength and also tonight I noticed a nice pump and most of all no real pain.Iced my elbow when I finished training as well.

    So after 6 days on the supercissus at 4/day I'm very pleased to finally be able to resume training chest and also starting to notice the cissus pump.



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    Hey tbs, have you ran the old formula before if so at what dosage? Just seeing if you could do some comparisions on the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSB4me View Post
    Last year I had a big crash and fractured my radius(right elbow).I used USP cissus to aid my recovery and was very impressed with the results.
    4 weeks ago I had another high speed crash and injured the same elbow.So I have decided to log my supercissus use in my recovery from this injury.
    Godspeed on your recovery! I'll be following too!

    I have some tendonitis in my elbow that I will eventually be throwing a little SuperCissus at it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Hey tbs, have you ran the old formula before if so at what dosage? Just seeing if you could do some comparisions on the two.
    I used the old USP cissus when I first fractured my elbow last year and was using 10 caps/d.Ran this for about 2-3 months and recovered fairly quickly.Had a break for about 2 months and then tried the the bulk cissus.I found that I had to use about 2-3 teaspoons a day before I saw any positive results.Not that cost effective.

    So comparing the old cissus to the supercissus.Low dose old saw improved joint health and when increased to 8-10 a day saw the cissus pump happen.Supercissus at 4 a day is showing improved joint health and also starting to feel the cissus pump.
    So from what I'm seeing the 10% extract still has healing properties and the anabolic properties.
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    Great, thanks for the comparision.
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TSB4me again.

    all the best tsb, hope u keep improving and recover well
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    Once you've established the performance level of the SuperCissus Rx(which looks like its doing a great job so far)
    would you consider stacking with celadrin? Hope you heal up
    quickly bro!
    All the best
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowardly lion View Post
    Once you've established the performance level of the SuperCissus Rx(which looks like its doing a great job so far)
    would you consider stacking with celadrin? Hope you heal up
    quickly bro!
    All the best
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    Thanks CL.
    As far as celadrin goes to be honest I haven't looked into using it.In fact don't know much about it at all.So I'll be doing a search and checking it out.Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewilman View Post
    Godspeed on your recovery! I'll be following too!

    I have some tendonitis in my elbow that I will eventually be throwing a little SuperCissus at it!
    Thanks wilman.
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    Just some feedback on muscle soreness and cissus.After not training chest for 4-5 weeks and then finally hitting it on monday dam my chest was sore (the don't touch my chest or I'll cry kinda sore).So no joint pain but still deep muscle soreness.Which I'm thinking is what you want to see.
    Someone please enlighten me if this is wrong.


    Wednesday's training :
    Tonight was shoulders & calves.
    I can report that I had a good shoulder workout with a increase in strength and nice pump.Managed more sets than last week due to the improvement seen in both the elbow and shoulder (won't be needing that extra shoulder workout this week).
    Even my calf training felt good and strong.A good night for tsb at the gym.

    I've now been using the supercissus for 8 days at 4caps/d and see no reason to change this dosage yet.
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    good sh1t tsb, keep it up!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    good sh1t tsb, keep it up!!!
    Thanks b.
    Nice post on the glutamine bashing thread.
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    Friday's Training :
    Last night was back and happy to report that I had a good solid workout.Nice pump and strength almost back to pre-accident levels.Elbow and shoulder felt good with only minimal discomfort.

    So as you can see I'm very happy with the improvement seen since starting the supercissus.No point in logging every workout from here on so will update in another 10days.
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    i can't wait 10days for another update tsb

    this is the best thread ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Combs View Post
    i can't wait 10days for another update tsb

    this is the best thread ever
    Is that avatar pic your new girl mike? NICE

    As for best thread ever, you need to head over to the glutamine bashing one.Now thats the best thread ever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSB4me View Post
    As for best thread ever, you need to head over to the glutamine bashing one.Now thats the best thread ever!

    whatever u do tsb don't mention glutamine, this thread will get over run with pubmed quotes and links
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    Update time:

    It's been well over 10 days since I last posted and I'm now on to my second bottle of supercissus.Training has continued to improve with only chest strength being less than normal.This was due to a rotor cuff injury whilst surf casting about 2 weeks ago. Went to the beach for a couple of days rest and tried to turn surf casting into an Olympic event.

    Tonight was chest & arms and considering I rode my bike for nearly 4 hours yesterday the body wasn't sore enough not to train.But in saying that I did take it easy tonight ( not a young buck any more ).

    Final conclusions about supercissus:
    Did the supercissus give me the same results that regular USP cissus did? Yes - see my earlier posts.
    Did I notice any increased effect in the super compared to the original? No - just took a lower dose to see the same positive results.
    Did I experience any side effects from the supercissus? Yes - I seem to have developed alot more gas that normal ( the guys in the office can vouch for that ).
    Would I use supercissus again? Yes - Without a doubt I will be getting some more supercissus .
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    Good log and review tbs, thanks for keeping us updated and giving an awesome side by side comparison to the new and old formulas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSB4me View Post
    Update time:

    It's been well over 10 days since I last posted and I'm now on to my second bottle of supercissus.Training has continued to improve with only chest strength being less than normal.This was due to a rotor cuff injury whilst surf casting about 2 weeks ago. Went to the beach for a couple of days rest and tried to turn surf casting into an Olympic event.

    Tonight was chest & arms and considering I rode my bike for nearly 4 hours yesterday the body wasn't sore enough not to train.But in saying that I did take it easy tonight ( not a young buck any more ).

    Final conclusions about supercissus:
    Did the supercissus give me the same results that regular USP cissus did? Yes - see my earlier posts.
    Did I notice any increased effect in the super compared to the original? No - just took a lower dose to see the same positive results.
    Did I experience any side effects from the supercissus? Yes - I seem to have developed alot more gas that normal ( the guys in the office can vouch for that ).
    Would I use supercissus again? Yes - Without a doubt I will be getting some more supercissus .
    How many caps of Cissus Rx did you use?
    How many caps of Super C rx did you use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    How many caps of Cissus Rx did you use?
    How many caps of Super C rx did you use?

    Cissus Rx - I was using up to 10 caps a day.

    Supercissus - 1st bottle I was dosing at 4 caps a day.Now I'm on to my second bottle I've dropped it back to 3 caps a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSB4me View Post
    Cissus Rx - I was using up to 10 caps a day.

    Supercissus - 1st bottle I was dosing at 4 caps a day.Now I'm on to my second bottle I've dropped it back to 3 caps a day.
    hey tsb,

    how do you think cissus will help with depression , my gym i've been at for 14 years is closing and it feels like i'm losing everything, please help?

    yours sincerly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Combs View Post
    hey tsb,

    how do you think cissus will help with depression , my gym i've been at for 14 years is closing and it feels like i'm losing everything, please help?

    yours sincerly
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    Sad to hear that your gym is closing big mike.

    But sometimes change can be a good thing.Change your training routine.....change your supplement regime......change your favorite porn site.......starting to get the idea mike.

    And if the pain of change is to much to handle then try mega dosing the supercissus cause it has a great analgesic effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSB4me View Post
    Sad to hear that your gym is closing big mike.

    But sometimes change can be a good thing.Change your training routine.....change your supplement regime......change your favorite porn site.......starting to get the idea mike.

    And if the pain of change is to much to handle then try mega dosing the supercissus cause it has a great analgesic effect.
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    Cissus gives me gas too. Wassup wit dat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Cissus gives me gas too. Wassup wit dat?
    Not really sure why poison? But in my case it seems dose related.Since dropping back to 3caps a day the gut sure isn't as windy as before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSB4me View Post
    Not really sure why poison? But in my case it seems dose related.Since dropping back to 3caps a day the gut sure isn't as windy as before.
    geez tsb, u really becoming an authority on this new cissus, maybe u can find some pubmed studies in regards to cissus and farting
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    Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    geez tsb, u really becoming an authority on this new cissus, maybe u can find some pubmed studies in regards to cissus and farting
    You got me started now b.

    Found a study on ulcered rats which showed that cissus quadrangularis has significant antiulcer activity.
    Cissus produces a significant reduction in basal gastric secretion and acidity.
    So this might explain why some people experience more gas than usual.

    Not gonna let it rest till I get to the "bottom" of this b.
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    Time for another quick update.

    Easter monday I had another crash and burn on my bike.Wasn't a big crash but sure enough landed on that same right elbow and caused some more trauma.Unable to move my arm without alot of pain for a couple of days.
    Increased the supercissus back up to 4 caps/day and have seen a steady improvement all week.Even managed some light upper body workouts.

    So training has dropped back somewhat.But I'm scheduled for keyhole surgery in a couple of weeks to remove the bone chip in my elbow which has been causing most of the problems.Plan on giving the primaforce cissus a run after my op. so I can compare it to USP.
    So the log is pretty much over.
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    Sorry to hear about the accident. Hope the surgery goes well for you and you come back better than new!
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    fcuksake tsb, when r u going to learn? hope the op goes well
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    Thanks for the support guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSB4me View Post
    Thanks for the support guys.
    hey tsb, how did the op go dude?

    hope all is well and that you've posted your moto X bike up on trade me and will now concentrate on your bodybuilding career full time.

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