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    Mpkonig's Continuing struggle for Fat Loss (Posiedon, X-force and More)


    Ok...this is the continuation of my last log. I did not attain the results i would have liked with the last stack...BUT...i did get somewhere and thats what counts. This next 4 weeks will consist of the Following Supps.

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    NP Green Tea Caps
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    Their maybe some other things added in later on....im still doing reseach...i will probably add in a night time Supp but as for which one..im not too sure yet. Any suggestions of Additions to this stack or a good Nightime supp (preferably a fatloss one) would be helpful.

    With this stack im trying to go a little more to the Flushing my system and Getting really healthy. All these supps have been shown to attribute to weight loss in one way or another, and ive also come to the conclusion that in order for me to lose weight consistantly...i have to be on some sort of STIM. X-force is one stim that caught my eye after trying many other stims and only having really one work (venom). Ive talked with the people of IBE and they said that X-force is not as cracked out potent like Venom is...but does its job well and i hope he is right. Also threw in some Sesamax because the last time i ran it...it worked well and also it works well with a low carb regimen. As for the Green Tea, ive heard many people using it and swear by it, the only problem im going to have is getting the right dosage for my big ass...im starting it off at 3x3 but knowing me...will have to up that. The Super Cissus i threw in because ive had trouble with my shoulders and also in the inside part of my arm near the elbow. Ive had what feels like tendon or ligament pain in there when pulling weight (pull ups, rows, lat pulldowns) and it can really hinder my workouts. Also Cissus has had some effects on Cortisol if i remember correctly, so hopefully that will help out on that end as well.

    these are my 4 week pics from my prior log. Hopefully when this 4 weeks is up...there will be a significant difference. My stats are pretty much the same as week 3 of my last log...so i will post them shortly just for reference in this log.
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    Looking forward to it! You'll love poseiden and the niacin flush. That coupled with your green tea caps should clean ya out a bit. Workin2005 has a post in the Nimbus forum about how Poseiden will help with fat loss. Check it out... really interesting stuff.


    Anyway, good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HairyLarry35 View Post
    Looking forward to it! You'll love poseiden and the niacin flush. That coupled with your green tea caps should clean ya out a bit. Workin2005 has a post in the Nimbus forum about how Poseiden will help with fat loss. Check it out... really interesting stuff.


    Anyway, good luck!
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    Here is the thread HairyLarry is referring to:
    POSEIDON and FAT LOSS?

    While taking Stimulants, your CNS will be working over time. Poseidon will help GREATLY with this and reduce many of the common, undesirable sides associated with most Stim's.

    It looks like a great stack overall. As for night time supps, you may want to try some Gaba. For me, I know it works very well, particularly when dieting.

    Keep us updated on your progress! I'll be following this one

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    Ok....here are my starting stats:


    Weight 282

    Left Bicep: 18 1/2
    Right Bicep: 19
    Left Forearm: 15
    Right Forearm: 16
    Chest (armpit to armpit): 18 1/2
    Back (circ): 52 3/4
    Waist: 47
    Left Thigh: 30
    Right Thigh: 29
    Left Calf: 19
    Right Calf: 19

    Dosing protocol will be as follows:

    Pre-fasted Cardio:
    2 X-Force, 3 Green Tea, 1 scoop posiedon

    Breakfast
    1 super Cissus (10 minutes before)
    2 Sesamax (during)

    Snack

    Lunch (12ish)

    1 Super Cissus (10 minutes before)
    2 Sesamax (during)
    1 AP

    Pre-workout (1ish)
    1 X-force
    3 Green Tea
    1 Scoop Posiedon

    Snack

    Dinner

    1 Super Cissus (10 minutes before)
    2 Sesamax (during

    snack

    Bedtime

    1 scoop posiedon



    Will probably add something in during the day and something for nighttime use. any suggestions are greatly welcomed.
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    Day 1

    as i said before this is technically a continuation of my previous log:

    mpkonig's Anabolic Damage Control Log (AP, DCP and more)

    but with a different approach to weight loss.

    ill edit this post later to include my workout thoughts but i want to post now to give my first impression of taking these supps.

    i took 1 teaspoon of posiedon this morning..and within 10 minutes....it felt like my face was melting off...my girlfriend started getting scared cause my face and my arms and neck...almost everything starting getting a red Hue to it....felt completely fine..just hot as hell.. so i know for a fact that it worked today..lol....im very clear headed and im sure taking x-force with it helped on that level. I only took 1 x-force in the morning today just to make sure it wasnt super potent...and it wasnt..so i will be dosing 2 in the mornings from now on... the green tea...well...i really dont know if that will have a effect that i can feel..seeing as i never really took it before. Im taking the advice of dosing 3x3 with it....if anyone is my size and has maybe a different dosing protocol..please let me know. i still have a warm feeling in my face, whether its still from the posiedon or from the x-force or green tea..or a combination of 2 or all of them.

    Im still searching for a supp during the day with a thermo effect that will stack well with the rest of these...and also a thermo for nighttime use. i dont care if i sweat in my sleep..just want to lose the weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    Day 1

    as i said before this is technically a continuation of my previous log:

    mpkonig's Anabolic Damage Control Log (AP, DCP and more)

    but with a different approach to weight loss.

    ill edit this post later to include my workout thoughts but i want to post now to give my first impression of taking these supps.

    i took 1 teaspoon of posiedon this morning..and within 10 minutes....it felt like my face was melting off...my girlfriend started getting scared cause my face and my arms and neck...almost everything starting getting a red Hue to it....felt completely fine..just hot as hell.. so i know for a fact that it worked today..lol....im very clear headed and im sure taking x-force with it helped on that level. I only took 1 x-force in the morning today just to make sure it wasnt super potent...and it wasnt..so i will be dosing 2 in the mornings from now on... the green tea...well...i really dont know if that will have a effect that i can feel..seeing as i never really took it before. Im taking the advice of dosing 3x3 with it....if anyone is my size and has maybe a different dosing protocol..please let me know. i still have a warm feeling in my face, whether its still from the posiedon or from the x-force or green tea..or a combination of 2 or all of them.

    Im still searching for a supp during the day with a thermo effect that will stack well with the rest of these...and also a thermo for nighttime use. i dont care if i sweat in my sleep..just want to lose the weight.
    Be sure your taking a LEVEL teaspoon of Poseidon...not a rounded one. (I responded to your a PM on this but wanted to reiterate it)
    Sounds like a very intense Niacin Flush. You may want to try mixing Poseidon in more water (at least 10 oz per serving) to reduce the flush...if you want to. I personally like it ;-)
    Here is a link to more info about what is actually happening during a Niacin Flush if your interested:
    The Niacin Flush and Detoxification

    Keep us updated

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    Quote Originally Posted by workin2005 View Post
    Be sure your taking a LEVEL teaspoon of Poseidon...not a rounded one. (I responded to your a PM on this but wanted to reiterate it)
    Sounds like a very intense Niacin Flush. You may want to try mixing Poseidon in more water (at least 10 oz per serving) to reduce the flush...if you want to. I personally like it ;-)
    Here is a link to more info about what is actually happening during a Niacin Flush if your interested:
    The Niacin Flush and Detoxification

    Keep us updated

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    i like the flush also...ill make sure i take a level teaspoon from now on until i unbury the scooper...hehe....when i get the flush it makes me feel like my body is getting rid of bad waste products...ive been meaning to do a Detox for some time now...and this has been the closest thing ive gotten to it....posiedon and green tea...how sad

    Thanks again for the info...the more info i can get the happier i am...i thrive on learning new stuff. always researching..thats me alright hehe


    Oh..i took posiedon with im guessin 8 or so ounces of water....it has a pinkish hue...and its not exactly tastless, but has a little bit of a taste to it...i couldnt exactly pinpoint what it was like...maybe a very very very light bitter/acid taste....it was barely noticeable but enough to were i almost had a hard time downing the glass.
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    I like it, too. It will get better, but if you check out my pics in my current log, you can see in the third pic that my neck is beat red (almost like a sun burn). Just think of it as cleaning your system out. Good stuff

    HL

    EDIT: BTW, I just toss the scoop of poseiden in my mouth and chase with water. NIIIIICE flush!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    i like the flush also...ill make sure i take a level teaspoon from now on until i unbury the scooper...hehe....when i get the flush it makes me feel like my body is getting rid of bad waste products...ive been meaning to do a Detox for some time now...and this has been the closest thing ive gotten to it....posiedon and green tea...how sad

    Thanks again for the info...the more info i can get the happier i am...i thrive on learning new stuff. always researching..thats me alright hehe


    Oh..i took posiedon with im guessin 8 or so ounces of water....it has a pinkish hue...and its not exactly tastless, but has a little bit of a taste to it...i couldnt exactly pinpoint what it was like...maybe a very very very light bitter/acid taste....it was barely noticeable but enough to were i almost had a hard time downing the glass.
    Try letting it completely dissolve before drinking it. If you drink it to soon, it will have a mild taste, if you let it dissolve completely (say for 2-3 minutes) and then drink it, you'll find the taste much, MUCH less noticeable if at all.

    The Pinkish hue your referring to is the Methyl B-12 in Poseidon Complex

    My pleasure on the info...please let me know if you have any further questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HairyLarry35 View Post
    EDIT: BTW, I just toss the scoop of poseiden in my mouth and chase with water. NIIIIICE flush!!!
    Brave man! I do the same thing sometimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by workin2005 View Post
    Try letting it completely dissolve before drinking it. If you drink it to soon, it will have a mild taste, if you let it dissolve completely (say for 2-3 minutes) and then drink it, you'll find the taste much, MUCH less noticeable if at all.

    The Pinkish hue your referring to is the Methyl B-12 in Poseidon Complex

    My pleasure on the info...please let me know if you have any further questions.

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    yeah...i remember reading another thread and you said to let it sit for a few minutes...so thats what i did.....it really wasnt that bad...but you know how some flavors just make you slow down when you drink them? well thats what it is with posiedon .....im sure ill get used to it...if i can take 14 pills at one time....im sure i can get used to posiedon..hehe
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    The longer it sits, the less taste it really has. Prepare some in advance throw it in the fridge and you have something that taste like nothing. Either way, after a little while you'll find that it's really akward drinking your water without that pink hue to. It's almost addicting in a way LOL.

    MP the green tea caps at 3x3 IMO is a little to much to really start out with. I know with the extraction and the concentration of EGCG and other actives in the NP version are suitable for 1x3 for most people. May want to back the dose down a little. Maybe instead of 9 total caps a day, start at something like 4 or 6 for your size(just throwing my thoughts out there).
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    If you're still in the market for a good night-time fatloss product, I give a hearty recommendation to try out Camphibolic by USP Labs. I find that I get better quality sleep while using it, and it works nicely to control my appetite during the evenings, where without it I tend to wake up during the middle of the night very hungry and unable to sleep because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by max silver View Post
    If you're still in the market for a good night-time fatloss product, I give a hearty recommendation to try out Camphibolic by USP Labs. I find that I get better quality sleep while using it, and it works nicely to control my appetite during the evenings, where without it I tend to wake up during the middle of the night very hungry and unable to sleep because of it.
    Unfortunately, that might be a little wasteful with all of the green tea extra. But yeah, great product.
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    There's certainly more to camphibolic than just green tea. He could very easily drop down his dosage of green tea during the day if he did decide to use this supplement.
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    Agreed. I'm using cAMP right now and loving it!
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    yeah...ive used it the last 4 weeks.....i was going to try something different
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    Day 2

    Alright.....Day 1 was pretty much shot...i did fasted cardio...but not much else due to extreme running around i had to do..

    today i did a combo of arms and back....trying to get back on schedule....but did not have time to do my 20 min HIIT cardio afterwards.

    Thoughts: Ive been feeling really good....very focused and my workout today definitely more energetic than usual....i felt strong and focused. just a really good overall feeling of wellness....as for the Niacin flush...i havent gotten it since yesterday morning on my first dose of posiedon....i finally dug the scooper out of the container and have been using that since lunch yesterday...so whether that is a good thing or bad thing, im not sure yet...but i dont really feel a flush anymore....and especially not like the one i had the first time taking it.
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    Just some questions, Mpk... your fasted cardio, is it being done in the AM (I'm assuming that it is)? And if so, have you tried doing HIIT during that time period? Besides dropping cortisol levels in your body, it is really suppose to work best in the mornings.

    Just some thoughts! Keep on rolling, bro. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    Day 2

    Alright.....Day 1 was pretty much shot...i did fasted cardio...but not much else due to extreme running around i had to do..

    today i did a combo of arms and back....trying to get back on schedule....but did not have time to do my 20 min HIIT cardio afterwards.

    Thoughts: Ive been feeling really good....very focused and my workout today definitely more energetic than usual....i felt strong and focused. just a really good overall feeling of wellness....as for the Niacin flush...i havent gotten it since yesterday morning on my first dose of posiedon....i finally dug the scooper out of the container and have been using that since lunch yesterday...so whether that is a good thing or bad thing, im not sure yet...but i dont really feel a flush anymore....and especially not like the one i had the first time taking it.
    You most likely took more than one dose the first time you had such a flush due to not having the scoop. The first one is usually the most intense. The body is continually building up toxins and riding itself of them...I don't get the niacin flush much anymore...but every now and then it will hit me. When it does, I can usually trace back a day or two and realize I wasn't drinking enough water, or my diet was poor, or I wasn't exercising as intensely and therefore not sweating out toxins like I normally would...there are a million possibilities. The bottom line is, if your building up toxins, you'll most likely get a flush.

    Glad to hear about your positive results with Poseidon...and only on day 2! Your results should only improve the longer you take it. I look forward to seeing how you feel in a few weeks.

    Take note of basic things like how much easier it seems to perform just day to day tasks. Many people over look this HUGE benefit Poseidon offers.

    Keep me posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by HairyLarry35 View Post
    Just some questions, Mpk... your fasted cardio, is it being done in the AM (I'm assuming that it is)? And if so, have you tried doing HIIT during that time period? Besides dropping cortisol levels in your body, it is really suppose to work best in the mornings.

    Just some thoughts! Keep on rolling, bro. Good luck.

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    i do fasted cardio in the morning about 30min after i take my first set of supps. i do 45 minutes (soon to be 60 minutes) of cardio at about 60%. I do 20 minutes of HIIT cardio after my lifting to try and completely (or almost completely) deplete my muscles.

    i have researched this subject ...HIIT vs. Slow cardio fasted in the mornings and have found threads that give good points on both of them...i just decided to pick slow cardio instead, but i might just try HIIT in the morning for like a week and see if there is a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    i do fasted cardio in the morning about 30min after i take my first set of supps. i do 45 minutes (soon to be 60 minutes) of cardio at about 60%. I do 20 minutes of HIIT cardio after my lifting to try and completely (or almost completely) deplete my muscles.

    i have researched this subject ...HIIT vs. Slow cardio fasted in the mornings and have found threads that give good points on both of them...i just decided to pick slow cardio instead, but i might just try HIIT in the morning for like a week and see if there is a difference.
    IMHO, if performed properly nothing beats HITT for fat loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by workin2005 View Post
    You most likely took more than one dose the first time you had such a flush due to not having the scoop. The first one is usually the most intense. The body is continually building up toxins and riding itself of them...I don't get the niacin flush much anymore...but every now and then it will hit me. When it does, I can usually trace back a day or two and realize I wasn't drinking enough water, or my diet was poor, or I wasn't exercising as intensely and therefore not sweating out toxins like I normally would...there are a million possibilities. The bottom line is, if your building up toxins, you'll most likely get a flush.

    Glad to hear about your positive results with Poseidon...and only on day 2! Your results should only improve the longer you take it. I look forward to seeing how you feel in a few weeks.

    Take note of basic things like how much easier it seems to perform just day to day tasks. Many people over look this HUGE benefit Poseidon offers.

    Keep me posted

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    yeah...actually..i was quite impressed myself today with my workout...i got alot done in a very little time....and it probably helps that i have X-Force (which is known for its focus effects) that i take pre-workout with posiedon.

    For the most part...if it only gets better from here with posiedon....im definetely keeping it as a staple....and wont go a day without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by workin2005 View Post
    IMHO, if performed properly nothing beats HITT for fat loss.

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    what do you mean by this statement?? Not being a D*ck or anything..just would like you to explain.

    the "if performed properly" part
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    Sorry for posting so much and clouding up your log... I just like to comment a lot :-D

    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    what do you mean by this statement?? Not being a D*ck or anything..just would like you to explain.
    Cut and paste from BB.com:

    During 10-15 second bursts, there is a very small amount of lactic acid produced and rest periods of 30 seconds to a minute will provide complete recovery of the Adenosine Triphosphate-Creatine Phosphate (ATP-CP) system. During efforts of more than 10-15 seconds, a large amount of lactic acid is produced and such efforts are extremely taxing on both the athlete's muscles and their Central Nervous System (CNS).
    HIIT during a Cutting Phase:

    * 500 Calories under maintenance daily
    * High Protein (40% of total calories)
    * Low Carbs (20% of total calories)
    * High Fat (40% of total calories)

    It has been proven in studies that during a low carbohydrate and high fat diet, the oxidation of fat is increased during exercise, especially cardio such as HIIT (more fat is burned). Additionally, fat is a much more highly concentrated source of energy than carbohydrates.

    "A review by Hultman (1995) found that during a diet where carbs are restricted and a lot of fat is consumed, up to 70% of the energy requirement (even during high intensity activities) comes from the oxidation of fat (where during a high carbs diet, such activities would derive 80-90% of the energy from glycogen)." (Thibaudeau)

    Sample: 2000 Calories Daily
    * 200 Grams of Protein
    * 100 Grams of Carbs
    * 90 Grams of Fat
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    Quote Originally Posted by HairyLarry35 View Post
    Sorry for posting so much and clouding up your log... I just like to comment a lot :-D



    Cut and paste from BB.com:

    During 10-15 second bursts, there is a very small amount of lactic acid produced and rest periods of 30 seconds to a minute will provide complete recovery of the Adenosine Triphosphate-Creatine Phosphate (ATP-CP) system. During efforts of more than 10-15 seconds, a large amount of lactic acid is produced and such efforts are extremely taxing on both the athlete's muscles and their Central Nervous System (CNS).
    HIIT during a Cutting Phase:

    * 500 Calories under maintenance daily
    * High Protein (40% of total calories)
    * Low Carbs (20% of total calories)
    * High Fat (40% of total calories)

    It has been proven in studies that during a low carbohydrate and high fat diet, the oxidation of fat is increased during exercise, especially cardio such as HIIT (more fat is burned). Additionally, fat is a much more highly concentrated source of energy than carbohydrates.

    "A review by Hultman (1995) found that during a diet where carbs are restricted and a lot of fat is consumed, up to 70% of the energy requirement (even during high intensity activities) comes from the oxidation of fat (where during a high carbs diet, such activities would derive 80-90% of the energy from glycogen)." (Thibaudeau)

    Sample: 2000 Calories Daily
    no problem about the posting..i like learning about shi* and like asking questions myself...so i enjoy all this stuff.

    As for the HIIT....so what its saying is that instead of me doing 1 minute high, 2 minutes low..i should do it more in the tune of 15 seconds high...30 seconds low???
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    If I recall, you are on CKD... this would benefit you greatly, especially in the AM. Running in general (either or) will boost metabolism in the morning. HIIT will bring it to the next level, IMHO.

    Again, I'm just some guy with an opinion.

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    no problem about the posting..i like learning about shi* and like asking questions myself...so i enjoy all this stuff.

    As for the HIIT....so what its saying is that instead of me doing 1 minute high, 2 minutes low..i should do it more in the tune of 15 seconds high...30 seconds low???
    I think variation of HIIT should be used to see what your body responds to best and then vary from time-to-time which forms work best to keep your body guessing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HairyLarry35 View Post
    If I recall, you are on CKD... this would benefit you greatly, especially in the AM. Running in general (either or) will boost metabolism in the morning. HIIT will bring it to the next level, IMHO.

    Again, I'm just some guy with an opinion.

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    I think variation of HIIT should be used to see what your body responds to best and then vary from time-to-time which forms work best to keep your body guessing.
    hmm........definetely going to see if the shorter time spans help ...... maybe workin can weigh in on this also. as for length of HIIT....is it still supposed to be a lower time like 20 minutes instead of doing 45 minutes of slow?? or do i or can i move it up to like 30 minutes of HIIT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    hmm........definetely going to see if the shorter time spans help ...... maybe workin can weigh in on this also. as for length of HIIT....is it still supposed to be a lower time like 20 minutes instead of doing 45 minutes of slow?? or do i or can i move it up to like 30 minutes of HIIT?
    You can do 30 min's of HITT, but, to be honest...if it's done properly, 20 min's is all your going to be able to do without falling over

    Remember, when you hit your high points, you should be moving as though you were being pursued by Hillary Clinton...in other words, RUNNING/BIKING/CLIMBING (whatever the activity may be) ALL OUT with nothing held back. When I do HITT, during my high points, people around me think something is seriously wrong because it looks like I'm running for my life...litterally lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by workin2005 View Post
    You can do 30 min's of HITT, but, to be honest...if it's done properly, 20 min's is all your going to be able to do without falling over

    Remember, when you hit your high points, you should be moving as though you were being pursued by Hillary Clinton...in other words, RUNNING/BIKING/CLIMBING (whatever the activity may be) ALL OUT with nothing held back. When I do HITT, during my high points, people around me think something is seriously wrong because it looks like I'm running for my life...litterally lol!

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    what kind of increments should i be doing....should i do the lower increments like seconds...or should i do higher ....i just did some HIIT today for my cardio this morning and i tried 15 seconds high..30 seconds low...and it didnt seem like it was doing much cardio wise...so i jumped it to 30 seconds high..30 seconds low and it seemed to work much better....any thoughts would be helpful.

    EDIT: Im also doing my cardio on an eliptical...so going really fast is kinda hard without sacrificing form, but i do increase the resistance on my eliptical when i do HIIT just for the extra work it takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    what kind of increments should i be doing....should i do the lower increments like seconds...or should i do higher ....i just did some HIIT today for my cardio this morning and i tried 15 seconds high..30 seconds low...and it didnt seem like it was doing much cardio wise...so i jumped it to 30 seconds high..30 seconds low and it seemed to work much better....any thoughts would be helpful.

    EDIT: Im also doing my cardio on an eliptical...so going really fast is kinda hard without sacrificing form, but i do increase the resistance on my eliptical when i do HIIT just for the extra work it takes.
    A 40/30 split (30 being the rest period) would be good on a treadmill. HITT is tough to do in a gym. You really need to get into an open area outside or in an indoor track if possible. The intensity is MUCH greater IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by workin2005 View Post
    A 40/30 split (30 being the rest period) would be good on a treadmill. HITT is tough to do in a gym. You really need to get into an open area outside or in an indoor track if possible. The intensity is MUCH greater IMHO.

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    ok..i will try the 40/30 split....i may be a large guy...but ive always had a good endurance factor for cardio (plus i smoked for several years in my youth..much smarter now) ill try and get out of the house and do my HIIT training then....for now i will just use my nordic track eliptical in my garage until i can map a good place to run....thank you for the advice
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    Alright....im still doing research on the stack i want to run for my final 4 weeks of my 12 week cycle.(may be longer)

    im finding it kinda hard to get an accurate account of what works for bigger endomorph guys who may have problems with supps working on them. Unfortunately all the exciting ones are not out yet (Avant Rebirth, New Heat stack, etc.) so as i research and get info on certain supps im looking at...im compiling a few stacks that are possibilities

    These are:

    Tri-lean stack with Thyrotabs, Liquid Sesamin, Posiedon, maybe throw in some lipoderm ultra , AP

    Thyrotabs/3rd degree burn stack with sesamin, posiedon+, AP

    H.E.A.T. stack (if i can find it), AP

    these are just a few of the Base stacks im looking into ....the website has been geared alot lately towards bulking and lean bulking and im finding it hard to find threads (recent ones) that have fat loss stacks/products in them for me to research.

    I need something potent....hence the tri-lean system, it whooped my ass for the 28 days i used it in may of last year...but im always looking for something better hence the addition of thyrotabs instead of thyrogen-x. Ive seen alot of awsome feedback on thyrotabs and i am really excited about them.

    So pretty much i looking for something as potent...if not more potent than the tri-lean system...which ive got a feeling is gonna be hard to achieve If i cant really put together anything better than the first stack i listed...i guess i will do the tri-lean again, was a little concerned on some of the minor sides it had, but everything subsided during the cycle or after the discontinuation of it.

    i have my diet dialed in (ckd) and my workout regimen, so all i need now is something potent to get my ass kicked into overdrive. Realizing slowly that im a non-responder to a point (having to double or triple dose things in order to feel anything or see results) ive been on a quest to find supps that i dont need to double or triple dose.

    my first 4 weeks i saw a 10lb loss and about 1 inch off my waist which is not too shabby...hopefully this 2nd 4 weeks will be just as successful if not more.

    hopefully the last 4 weeks (if going with the tri-lean system) will be as successful as my last cycle with the tri-lean (something like 24lbs in 28 days and 2 inches off waist) granted most of that weight came off in the first week and was mostly water....but still at the end of the cycle...the last 2 weeks i was losing 2 to 4 lbs a week..which is awsome.

    well..thats my thoughts....i feel that if i type things out i can better judge what i am saying and make decisions more efficently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    ok..i will try the 40/30 split....i may be a large guy...but ive always had a good endurance factor for cardio (plus i smoked for several years in my youth..much smarter now) ill try and get out of the house and do my HIIT training then....for now i will just use my nordic track eliptical in my garage until i can map a good place to run....thank you for the advice
    My pleasure. Keep me updated on your progress

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    Day 3


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    Today was chest and shoulders......again..another great workout....i really havent felt like this working out in a long time. also...noticed today some pretty insane pumps...dont know if the posiedon or super cissus attributes to muscle pumps...but its more than what i got from just using AP....so...AP and something else in my stack gives great pumps...i cant imagine what would have happened if i wasnt on CKD...my muscles would probably explode lol...

    Thoughts: Still feeling good..usually when i do 2 muscle groups a day..i feel beat up through the second half of the workout....its just not the case anymore..and i love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkonig View Post
    Day 3


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    Today was chest and shoulders......again..another great workout....i really havent felt like this working out in a long time. also...noticed today some pretty insane pumps...dont know if the posiedon or super cissus attributes to muscle pumps...but its more than what i got from just using AP....so...AP and something else in my stack gives great pumps...i cant imagine what would have happened if i wasnt on CKD...my muscles would probably explode lol...

    Thoughts: Still feeling good..usually when i do 2 muscle groups a day..i feel beat up through the second half of the workout....its just not the case anymore..and i love it.
    Great to hear! I get great pumps on Poseidon as well. Try mixing Poseidon with your favorite NO booster and your favorite type of creatine. (I just use AAKG and Creatine Mono) The pumps are really entertaining :bb2:

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    Are you sure fasted HIIT is the way to be going cardio wise? That would seem to me to be a good way to burn up muscle mass, which is enemy number 1 when looking to lose bodyfat. I think you'd be much better served with a small meal of some sort before you do your HIIT, at the very least have a protein shake beforehand to get some aminos circulating in your system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by max silver View Post
    Are you sure fasted HIIT is the way to be going cardio wise? That would seem to me to be a good way to burn up muscle mass, which is enemy number 1 when looking to lose bodyfat. I think you'd be much better served with a small meal of some sort before you do your HIIT, at the very least have a protein shake beforehand to get some aminos circulating in your system.
    well....ive been doing fasted cardio for a while now....and i havent really lost any muscle....even when i was on the tri-lean system and doing fasted cardio...i didnt loose hardly any LBM....so i dont know if im the exception or what....
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    Quote Originally Posted by max silver View Post
    Are you sure fasted HIIT is the way to be going cardio wise? That would seem to me to be a good way to burn up muscle mass, which is enemy number 1 when looking to lose bodyfat. I think you'd be much better served with a small meal of some sort before you do your HIIT, at the very least have a protein shake beforehand to get some aminos circulating in your system.
    IF your diet is dead on...and I mean perfect...fasted HITT training is VERY effective at burning body fat while maintaining muscle mass. Most people won't have the discipline required to diet properly for this type of training and may very well end up burning muscle. I would still stick to HITT cardio in a fasted state one day per week however...even if your diet isn't spot on.

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