Mpkonig's Continuing struggle for Fat Loss (Posiedon, X-force and More)
- 02-26-2007, 09:54 AM
- 02-26-2007, 09:55 AM
- 02-26-2007, 10:02 AM
i just searched and havent found much...but found some sort of Avant gel called FL7??? never heard of it...has something to do with fatloss though
02-26-2007, 10:29 AM
02-26-2007, 10:38 AM
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
02-26-2007, 10:44 AM
02-26-2007, 10:47 AM
Good point, I forgot about the localized deleveiry method. If worse came to worse one could always add a little 7Keto to there LU bottle.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
02-26-2007, 10:53 AM
02-26-2007, 10:54 AM
here is the writeup on that FL7 stuff....maybe you lab guys can make heads or tales of it.
FL7: The Revolution Has Begun
3-Acetyl-7-Oxo DHEA, a safe and natural metabolite of DHEA, is an effective agent in suppressing excessive cortisol production while also stimulating the thermogenic enzymes of the liver, optimizing thyroid function and increasing BMR (basal metabolic rate). 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo DHEA is a powerful tool for inhibiting fat accrual and achieving a favorable body composition. Its strong anti-catabolic properties and cortisol-blunting effect make FL7 an excellent adjunct for anyone wishing to maintain lean mass while dieting, or when cycling off Prohormones. FL7 provides all of 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo DHEA's metabolic benefits via Avent Labs' revolutionary hydroalcoholic gel, making it far more potent than its competitors.
FL7 and Glucocorticoids
Cortisol’s role in the body is often greatly misunderstood in the bodybuilding community. To grasp its role in body composition, one needs to understand glucocorticoid biosynthesis/equilibrium. Glucocorticoids exist in humans in two primary forms, the inactive cortisone and the active (and dreaded) cortisol. These exist in the body, in a constant state of flux back and forth, depending on the enzyme situation.
What is of note is that the two isoenzymes that convert one to the other have vastly differing concentrations in different tissues. For example, in adipose tissue, only the first isomer of 11-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (11b-HSD1), is found.
11b-HSD1 generally acts as a reductive enzyme, converting Cortisone to Cortisol – it can also act as a dehydrogenase in other tissue, but in human adipose tissue, it is always oxoreductive in the adipose and liver. Increased activity of this enzyme is implicated in some forms of obesity in both animals and humans.
On the other hand, 11b-HSD2 generally acts as a dehydrogenase, converting cortisol to inactive cortisone. It is not particularly important for our purposed, beyond that, so we will go in no more detail.
Keep the above in the back of your mind, as it is going to have a good deal of significance that we will go into later….
So, what is the point of this?? FL7’s magic ingredient, 7-oxo-DHEA, decreases 11b-HSD activity.
Glucocorticoids and Adipose Tissue
So, how is the cortisol factor related to fat loss? Adipogenesis involves differention of preadipocytes into adipocytes. Cortisol inhibits proliferation of preadipocytes, which tips the balance towards differentiation. In other words, cortisol promotes the formation of new fat cells. And, as we know, empty adipose cells make wonderful sponges for tryglecerides. In addition to this, all cells in the body turnover, meaning they die and are replaced. If we inhibit the formation of new fat cells (via inhibiting cortisol activity in the fat cell), given that fat cell death remains constant, we would have ourselves a very modest, on-going liposuction effect.
FL7's Advantages vs. Oral
Why not just take it orally?? There are two primary (and significant) reasons:
Number one is increased bioavailability. You get far more 7-oxo in your system, mg/mg than with oral. I'm sure our gel's reputation for improving the efficacy of steroids versus oral usage (i.e. ONE+. ONE, 4-ADerm) should be all most of you need to know.... well, at least until I get the real data up in a few hours.
Remember when I said to keep the 11b-HSD isoenzyme situation in the back of your mind??? Well, that is the second thing. With oral usage, we suppress 11b-HSD one activity in the liver. This increases dehydrogenase activity in the body, lowering systemic cortisol (good right?? Nope.), which will increase ACTH activity in response, to try to keep cortisol elevated. And, with 11b-HSD1 suppressed, this newly released cortisol gets sent down the cortisone side of the isoenzyme equilibrium.
WTF does this mean??? There will be an increase in systemic corticosterone to serve as substrate for formation of the dreaded cortisol in the oxoreductase-only adipose tissue. Oh, and did I mention that obese people are already prone to this phenomenon because of increased peripheral levels of 11b-hsd1 and 5-alpha reductase (which also deactivates cortisol).
FL7 Supplement Facts
Serving Size 4-9 pumps
Servings Per Container 40-60
Amount Per Serving
3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone 50 mg
FL7 Other Ingredients: Isopropyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Octyl Salicylate, Triglyceride Complex, Water, D-Limonene, Carbomer
02-26-2007, 11:12 AM
mp the basic function of the fl7 seems to be like other anti-cort supps blocking or blunting cort production to decrease adipogenesis.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
02-26-2007, 09:36 PM
Day 7 Cont.
20 Minutes HIIT cardio at 40/30 split
Today was arms......i love these days.....but i did notice today that i felt really weak...which means im pretty much depleted which is good ......cardio wooped my ass today....puddle of sweat started to form under the eliptical...i love it!!!
Feel warmer today than usual...im wondering if there are parts of this stack that need to build up in your system in order to have full effects?? anyways...all i know is that i sweated like a pig today ........ahh....feels good...
02-26-2007, 09:52 PM
02-26-2007, 09:53 PM
02-26-2007, 10:09 PM
Be sure your very in tune with your body at this point...your walking a fine line of loosing fat and/or lean muscle mass.
I would only stay depleted for 2 days at the most...then have a healthy carb up meal like:1 cup oatmeal and 1 small sweet Potato. That should begin to replenish your muscles nicely. Do that about every other day and you may find your body's "Sweet zone" or "window" when it can actually burn body fat and build muscle
Keep us updated
02-27-2007, 02:23 PM
20 min fasted Mixed cardio (first 10 minutes...slow med fast and back to slow. Second 10 minutes HIIT cardio)
Today was Back and had a very energetic workout....i also did 15 minutes of fast paced cardio after workout.
And what do ya know...its actually sunny and mild in Florida so i actually went out and layed in the sun for about 45 minutes...woohoo....gotta work on that tan
Everything is going well....even though im pretty damn depleted....i felt good today....i didnt do full blown HIIT this morning because my legs didnt feel like they were up for it....but its good to take a day off in between to recover and keep your body guessing i guess.
02-28-2007, 08:17 PM
20 Min Fasted HIIT cardio (40/30)
Today was chest.....everything went well....felt a bit under the weather....for the past 3 to 4 weeks pretty much everyone around me was sick and they all had the same thing...and finally sunday night monday morning i finally started feeling myself coming down with something....today was kinda an Iffy day.....i didnt want to get out of bed this morning...but i felt guilty laying in bed..so i got up and worked my ass off...hehe....hey..whatever works
Had another Great flush from posiedon this morning....maybe cause im sick it flushing all the crap out of my body that accumulated overnight....who knows... posiedon is some good stuff though.....
I also upped my dosage of X-force yesterday to 3 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon.....noticed more of an effect....this is a very clean, feel good stim.
03-01-2007, 04:19 AM
There seems to be a bug going around or something because quit a few people around me have been getting sick as well. Hate to hear about the cold mp, Poseidon should help keep it at bay. Just get the proper rest if you feel like and stay on the course.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
03-01-2007, 09:22 AM
Excellent commitment mpkonig...just be sure you allow yourself to get enough rest so this illness doesn't get the best of you.
03-04-2007, 09:43 PM
03-05-2007, 06:43 AM
NOTHING...was sick and felt unmotivated as hell....still took my supps...but just didnt do much...had a hard time eating even 3 meals a day....so...kinda sucks
03-05-2007, 06:51 AM
20 min HIIT cardio Fasted
Today will be ARMS......i had taken off the last 4 days cause of being sick..i feel much better today even though my cardio is not 100% yet...i struggled a little with the HIIT today.....Lungs and throat dont feel completely normal yet
I Have also recieved my sample pack of LEVIATHAN and will be dosing them today instead of the X-Force to see how these badboys work...ive heard some good things about this product and want to see for myself and maybe run it as my base thermo for my next 4 week stack instead of AMP or X-force. So far...i took 2 Leviathan's about 40 minutes ago and im noticing a nice warmup....which is good...considering ive been taking 3 x-force and probably not getting this strong of a thermo response....so it looking promising so far...the real test for Leviathan is when i take it per workout....i hope it is everything ive read it to be.
Here are my stats...i could only do weight and waist measurements because my girlfriend is being a deuchebag...but honestly...those are the only measurements i care about at the moment. This is cold in the morning without taking a nice dump I always seem to go less with a low carb diet (probably due to such high protein content) but for only working out 3 days last week....i was impressed and suprised...here are the stats
Weight 279 (-1lb)
Waist 46 (-3/4)
not bad for only doing 3 days of work...and really only one was full hearted as the other 2 days i was feeling the cold coming on. Also...weight should be lower..like i said..im probably a little backed up (nothing painful) and im planning to do a refeed tomorrow (first one of this 4 weeks) and will be eating a good about of fiber so it should clean me out nicely.
03-05-2007, 08:26 AM
03-05-2007, 01:40 PM
03-05-2007, 02:04 PM
03-05-2007, 08:09 PM
Day 14 Cont.
Workout was UNBELIEVABLE!!! Whatever they put in that Leviathan.....whoa momma.....i Fargin love it!!! This stuff got me crazy during my workout...extreme focus....energy...and to top it all off...i was in a pretty damn goood mood most of the day (which doesnt happen to often )
I hate to say it...but the samples i took just sold me on the product....no doubt about it...i got more response out of those 4 little pills (2x2) than out of alot of other stuff at twice the dosage.....AND it helps build lean mass (or at least helps you keep it) but considering what i have been reading....it helps with upping the weights and size is sure to follow.....wow....good job Palo Alto.....i dont think ive been this excited about a product ever None the less....it WILL be taking the place of AMP/X-force in my next stack.....
Only little downfall is that i did have a slight crash after the 2nd set of pills.....probably one of those supps where you have to take 2 in the morning and just one in the afternoon to ease yourself down?? Plus i will be stacking it with HEAT so i will probably only need 1 in the AM and 1 In the PM.
03-05-2007, 09:19 PM
Great, detailed log BTW!
03-07-2007, 01:13 PM
20 min HIIT cardio
Today was back .....but because i had my refeed today (tuesday) i did my back workout and one set of every other muscle group just to get that nice pump....and i did....felt great...
03-07-2007, 01:57 PM
Excellent post, this makes more sense to me now, as i was doing Max-OT style cardio for like 2 weeks now and noticed soem nice fatloss but it was REALLY depleting my glycogen stores to the point that earlier this week my hammer incline press was DOWN 40lbs!! Personally i think i may just stick with the slower, longer duration cardio and up training volume.
03-09-2007, 06:49 AM
20 minutes regular cardio
chest day.....everything went well...
03-09-2007, 06:50 AM
20 min HIIT cardio
Today was shoulders and my shoulders still have pains when i do exercises....they are not as bad as they were...but still hinder me somewhat....hopefully continuing with Super Cissus will help out in the long run
03-09-2007, 06:51 AM
Today is trunk and legs and it will suck like usual...thats all the update i really need
03-09-2007, 08:30 AM
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