- 02-07-2007, 06:27 AM
I know gynecomastia plagues alot of guys on this forum, including myself. I decided to log my efforts to erradicate this in hopes to help anyone searching for information.
I'm 22 years old. I had gyno as a teen, like alot of guys did. It went away (for the most part) by the time I was 19. Fast foreward 2 years, I was 21. I did a cycle of Pheraplex, which caused me to see a *slight* increase of size. I ran nolva through the whole cycle and PCT. A few months later, I ran another cycle of Phera. This time I was not so lucky. It reared its ugly head during the last week/PCT. Since then, it seems that every little thing I do with my test has aggrivated it. Tribulus, natural test boosters. Even running Powerfull would cause a flare up. Right now, I beleive it's a combination of real gyno (hard lump the size of a small pea) and excess chest fat.
It's a real pain, and has been getting in the way of my life and hobbies.
I've used Ralox in the past, along with nolva to try to erradicate this. I don't like using SERMs. They are serious drugs, not a supplement. I stopped using them a few weeks in because I didn't see any reduction of tissue. I have never tried using an AI to reverse gyno.
With God's and Dr. D's help, I PLANNED on running ATD + Ralox. I decided to start with ATD alone, and see what happens from there.
I did 2 caps per night for the first couple days, and one cap at night after that. I also plan on tapering the ATD towards the end of the cycle. By going from 1 cap ED, to 1 cap every other day, then every 2 days, every 3 days, and stopping.
I'm planning on running the Ralox towards the tail end of the ATD, thereby stopping any *possible* rebound. I think the way I'm tapering the ATD will help to prevent rebound, and also low dose ralox @ 40-60mg ED for about 2 weeks, tapering down from 60 to 30mg, then 30mg every other night. Again, I don't like SERMS and plan on avoiding excess use of them.
Progress at Day 7
I'm happy to report that @ 1 cap per night, I am seeing some progress. It seems that the tissue is softer, and smaller. I am hesitant to report any reduction of gland size, considering I am still only a week deep. I am leaning towards the reduction of size being attributed to water weight, but I am hopeful.
I will try to update this every week...
- 02-07-2007, 06:29 AM
- 02-09-2007, 02:30 AM
Hey brah, super good luck to your project,
ive never tried atd, but i tried novedex xt at 6 caps a night, which, didnt really help, and i find novedex to be more effective than rebound, but like i said, ive never tried it.
Right now im taking nevedex xt (4 caps/night) 1mg of arimidex in the morning (yeah i know, not the best time...) and some chrysin cream topically, and Even after first day, significant difference. Im gonna stop the Nova now, continue my arimidex for a while, maybe tamper with the dosage and see how it goes. Today is day 3 for me and I actually feel a lot better (like less embarrased and stuff) cuz it did help already. I know how annoying it is, so good luck with your stack man.
02-09-2007, 12:55 PM
please keep this updated....for the most part after my teens my gyno....mostly, but it's taking what seems like forever to sclupt my chest the way i want it, i'll keep trying and anything i can learn on gyno is great too.......thx
02-12-2007, 04:57 AM
Well, it's been about 2 weeks guys.
There has been some progress. I find that the area around my nipples that was swollen before is not so puffed out.
However, my nipples are still puffy and there is still a lump
I'm thinking that might be the water weight I lost with ATD, or it could be the real deal. I honestly can't tell - it has gotten better. Maybe by about 30%-40%.
I'll be trying Epistane for 3 weeks @ 20mg soon.
02-12-2007, 07:36 PM
I had puffy nipples and small lumps from puberty, a pea shaped one on the left and a larger quarter sized lump on the right. I'm 22 now, but have had the lumps since my early teens.
I ran ATD and 60mg of Raloxifene for 3 months this past fall. The puffiness was reduced considerably and the lumps shrank slightly while using both products.
I continued to use ATD at half the dose after the 3 month period and ceased the Raloxifene. The puffiness eventually returned and I'm pretty dissatisfied with the results. I chose to use Raloxifene because of a study showing better results vs. Nolvadex. However, that study used 60mg of Raloxifene versus 20mg of Nolva I think. So I might give it another shot with Nolva instead and use 40mg.
My chest did look great while using the Raloxifene, but it's not something that I would want to stay on all the time. My chest generally looks tighter while using ATD, and it's a great product for a myriad of reasons, but your mileage may vary when it comes to gyno reduction.
I also had erections all the time from the Ralox. I've used ATD plenty in the past, and this was above and beyond the normal reaction I have just from ATD.
02-15-2007, 06:50 AM
02-15-2007, 02:49 PM
02-16-2007, 06:18 AM
Update on this:
I dropped this stack and started Epistane.
I saw a 30% decrease in size over a period of 3 weeks running ATD + Ralox.
I'm on Day 5 of Epistane and already it's looking MUCH better.
I advise those of you who are looking to kill off the gyno, look into Epistane!
02-16-2007, 11:15 AM
Good luck, man.
I've been having gyno problems for last couple of years, after few SD cycles. I haven't used anything for a while, but gyno keeps coming back. I tried ATD, nolva, but few months after I stop it keeps coming back.
I hear good reviews about Epistane. I hope it will work for ya. Keep us posted. Good luck, again.
02-16-2007, 11:17 AM
02-16-2007, 02:54 PM
02-22-2007, 09:22 AM
Epistane has been showing me about a 50% reduction on day 11. Puffyness hasnt gone away but my gyno is soft now and not hard
02-22-2007, 02:52 PM
02-22-2007, 03:31 PM
Great to hear RR!
Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths . Proverbs 3:5-6
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