my Phera Plex xmass cycle log

[sweet-physique]

A Christmass cycle of Xmass and PP

Weeks 1-5
80mg Xmass
20mg Phera plex

Maybe bump the phera to 30mg in I feel I need to go up week 3 or 4.

I will begin this cycle on December 18th. I began preloading my support supps this week and will run the through post cycle therapy. These include:

niacin 500mg, red rice yeast 1200mg, coq10 100mg, multivitamin, b6, milk thistle 2000mg, nac 600mg, R-ala 200mg, hawthorn 1600mg
multi
Taurine 5 grams ED

post cycle therapy

post cycle therapy week 1 nolva 40mg DHEA 200MG, ADT 25 ED
post cycle therapy week 2 nolva 40mg DHEA 200mg, ADT50 ED
post cycle therapy week 3 nolva 20mg Dhea 100mg, ADT 50 ED
post cycle therapy week 4 nolva 20mg Dhea 100mg, ADT 75 ED

I have cabergoline and additional nolva for prn use if the need arises

Current stats: 36 years old
250lbs @ 6'2"
BF~13%
years in the gym = Reagan was starting his second term as president

My last cycle was June and was this:

Summer cut ideas

[Jayhawkk]

Is it worth logging? Of course, it's always worth logging...Even if you were the only one looking at it, it would still be worth it.

[Terminator LMG]

A Christmass cycle of Xmass and PP

Weeks 1-5
80mg Xmass
20mg Phera plex

Maybe bump the phera to 30mg in I feel I need to go up week 3 or 4.

I will begin this cycle on December 18th. I began preloading my support supps this week and will run the through post cycle therapy. These include:

niacin 500mg, red rice yeast 1200mg, coq10 100mg, multivitamin, b6, milk thistle 2000mg, nac 600mg, R-ala 200mg, hawthorn 1600mg
multi
Taurine 5 grams ED

post cycle therapy

post cycle therapy week 1 nolva 40mg DHEA 200MG, ADT 25 ED
post cycle therapy week 2 nolva 40mg DHEA 200mg, ADT50 ED
post cycle therapy week 3 nolva 20mg Dhea 100mg, ADT 50 ED
post cycle therapy week 4 nolva 20mg Dhea 100mg, ADT 75 ED

I have cabergoline and additional nolva for prn use if the need arises

Current stats: 36 years old
250lbs @ 6'2"
BF~13%
years in the gym = Reagan was starting his second term as president

My last cycle was June and was this:

Summer cut ideas

Yes, worth logging. I'd be interested.

I think your pct is going to leave you with some estrogen rebound however. The inverse relation you're running between the SERM and AI ends with a very high dose of the AI. 75mg of ATD annihilates estrogen levels...and then all of a sudden you stop using it? If you go very low, your body will naturally bounce back with a very high response. Same thing with going very high, your body will bounce back with a very low response to counteract and balance the issue out before it returns to homeostasis. It's the old saying that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, and that certainly applies to our physiology. And that I believe is what you'll get with ending the pct with an AI at such a high dose...especially with ATD.

My opinion on this is that if you're going to run an AI inversely to a SERM, you'll need to pyramid down that AI just like you pyramided up with it...so in essence you can tac on an extra 3 or 4 weeks of slowly pyramiding down. This will avoid the massive rebound, and is, IMO, the reason why people experienced delayed gyno after a SD cycle...b/c they didn't pyramid down the dose of the AI. They simply stopped the AI at a high dose.

Some may disagree with me and that's fine. But this is just something to consider. If you've done this same pct before without any delayed estrogen rebound problems, then I'd say to use it again.

[stxnas]

These two compounds were originally formulated to be ran together, so I think a log would be great.

[sweet-physique]

Ok. I will make my best effort at the log.
FYI I have scheduled blood work for the day the cycle starts on the 18th. I won’t start the xmass or phera until after they draw my blood. I’ll post the baseline results for liver panel and will ask my physician if I can add a lipid profile to the lab work as well for baseline purposes.

As for the log it will contain a sample representation of my strength based a sample baseline measure. That is, starting Monday for the week prior to the start of the cycle I will give my weight and reps for the last 2 sets of my first exercise for each muscle group trained. (That way I won’t bore you with my entire program and split) This will also allow for a measure of exercise-to-exercise comparison over time as I tend to increase volume slightly when on. By using the last 2 sets of the first exercise that should allow for a consistent comparative measure of progress.

I will also give a brief description of diet.

Lastly I will give my impressions of these compounds effect on my training, recovery, appetite, body composition, energy, sleep, etc.

[sweet-physique]

Yes, worth logging. I'd be interested.

I think your post cycle therapy is going to leave you with some estrogen rebound however. The inverse relation you're running between the SERM and AI ends with a very high dose of the AI. 75mg of ATD annihilates estrogen levels...and then all of a sudden you stop using it? If you go very low, your body will naturally bounce back with a very high response. Same thing with going very high, your body will bounce back with a very low response to counteract and balance the issue out before it returns to homeostasis. It's the old saying that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, and that certainly applies to our physiology. And that I believe is what you'll get with ending the post cycle therapy with an AI at such a high dose...especially with ATD.

My opinion on this is that if you're going to run an AI inversely to a SERM, you'll need to pyramid down that AI just like you pyramided up with it...so in essence you can tac on an extra 3 or 4 weeks of slowly pyramiding down. This will avoid the massive rebound, and is, IMO, the reason why people experienced delayed gyno after a superdrol cycle...b/c they didn't pyramid down the dose of the AI. They simply stopped the AI at a high dose.

Some may disagree with me and that's fine. But this is just something to consider. If you've done this same post cycle therapy before without any delayed estrogen rebound problems, then I'd say to use it again.

I understand your logic, and to a degree it makes sense. Would another viable option be running a lower dose serm extended into post cycle therapy 2 weeks or so after the AI is discontinued? Say 10mg of nolva or 25mg of clomid? This would keep any estrogen from binding to the receptor to a degree to reduce the rebound effect or preventing delayed gyno?

[WhatsaRoid?]

Is it worth logging? Of course, it's always worth logging...Even if you were the only one looking at it, it would still be worth it.

[Terminator LMG]

I understand your logic, and to a degree it makes sense. Would another viable option be running a lower dose serm extended into post cycle therapy 2 weeks or so after the AI is discontinued? Say 10mg of nolva or 25mg of clomid? This would keep any estrogen from binding to the receptor to a degree to reduce the rebound effect or preventing delayed gyno?

Sounds viable to me if I understand you correctly. So you're talking about running a SERM for 4 weeks inverse to an AI, and then extending the pct an additional 2 weeks (6 total), and those additional 2 weeks will consist of a lower dose SERM?

I simply like the idea of running "pct" type products after post cycle therapy (jungle warfare, hyperdrol, rebound reloaded, mass fx, etc) to keep natural test levels elevated...sort of as a bridge between cycles.

[wrkn4bigrmusles]

i'd subscribe

i grabbed enough GL for a few various cycles...

[stxnas]

Um yeah, me too...enough for a few
STX--->

This stack sounds great for size, so I'll be watching.

[RancidLunchmeat]

What brand Phera-plex are you using? It's not an actual bottle of old pheraplex is it?

Are you essentially planning a stack of E-Max and Max LMG?

[stxnas]

I'm talking about Generic Labz Pheramax (aka Pheramone X) and Xmass. These are clones of the supps that you mentioned, but at 15mg and 40mg instead 10mg and 25mg. Hmm, PP and Xmass might not bloat as much as the Emax and Xmass... <Looks through stash and grins>

[xtraflossy]

What brand Phera-plex are you using? It's not an actual bottle of old pheraplex is it?

Are you essentially planning a stack of E-Max and Max LMG?

Kinda.
Minus the 3-ene that is in Ergo. Ergo was ment to be stacked with X-mass, for anabolic purposes, and to avoid the lack of libedo that LMG/X-mass tend to give.

Side note: So, anabolicly, it's better (supposedly) to use the Phera, since you get more 2-ene. It should be more anabolic then the original Ergo/LMG combo, however, I dont beleive that PP will be enough to keep away that curious dry feeling below the waist...
however, I AM interested, and wish ya best of luck!!
(Im planning on a "super-Ergo" cycle in the future, Ergo+PP, might add LMG,... still formulating.)
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[warnerve]

FYI- I ran this stack at 30 mg and 80 mg but with the Pheramax instead of Plex and got very bloated, but had great results otherwise. I think I tend to bloat more than the average person, so don't let it scare you, just throwing it out there

[stxnas]

Hmm, so much for my theory! Thanks for the feedback.

[RancidLunchmeat]

Well, Sweet said he was going to run PP in sets of 10mg, which is why I'm curious.

The original PP was 10mg, but Phera-max (for example) is 15. If he's planning on 10mg doses, is he splitting and recapping or is he using a different product? Isn't Phermone-X 15mg doses as well?

I know that many of these products are similar, but they certainly aren't all the same. I guess if Sweet could give us the actual product names, it would remove any confusion.

Stx- I've never actually seen Phermone-X available for sale anywhere, ever. Only Phera-max. Odd.

[sweet-physique]

Yes my PP is the original AX Phera Plex with 2ene isomers only.

The log will start Monday which will actually be one week prior to the actual start of me ingesting the PP and xmass just to establish for baseline strength and stamina by indicating the 2 set guideline indicated in my post above.
I will have pre and post blood work done as well which I will post.

On side not how would I go about changing the title of thread to include something like "my Phera Plex xmass cycle log" ?
And should I leave it here in G labs forum or have it moved to the cycle logs forum? Maybe a mod can help me with this.

[sweet-physique]

<Looks through stash and grins>

Speaking of stash I am crazy like that too. I had to actually take out my box-o-designersteroids/old school phs and look at it long and hard to stop me from ordering some Havoc. I have way too much now. I have to start using some of this stuff.

[stxnas]

I messed up my back and have decided to go the route of products like Powerfull, Activate, CEE, BCAAs, FOOD etc...I just don't feel like having to go through pct from a cycle that in which I might re-injure myself...but the stash is tempting.

Good luck on your cycle and post a link on this thread to your log once you start it....plz!

[xtraflossy]

Speaking of stash I am crazy like that too. I had to actually take out my box-o-designersteroids/old school phs and look at it long and hard to stop me from ordering some Havoc. I have way too much now. I have to start using some of this stuff.

-sigh- I know, .. I know...



OH- to change the thread title, open your first post, there will be an EDIT option.
I beleive you can literally just type in a new title.
As far as moving this,.. a mod might need to help.
Either way, you can play with the editing features.
You can always log it in another thread, and put a link in this one to the new one (copy and past the web address from this page into the post of the new thread).
Just tring to help...