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    Havoc/m-trn 4week ********


    I know its better to use a product as a standalone first to gauge its effectiveness, but I use trn in almost all cycles and I love it for the strength increases and low sides. Im planning a 4 weeker with havoc and trn. Heres the layout I was thinking of:

    Week 1: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 2: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 3: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 4: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg

    Cabergoline will be used probably every 3rd day just to stop any possible prolactin issues trn might cause.

    PCT will consist of MASSFX, Torem/atd inverse protocol, retain, oratropin 80mcg every 3rd day.

    Supporting supps for cycle and pct: cycle support, extra hawthorne, Twinlabs BP control, (YellowGold throughout)

    Anyways, I will start a more detailed log if anyone is interested later. For now, Im just looking for some feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugab37
    I know its better to use a product as a standalone first to gauge its effectiveness, but I use trn in almost all cycles and I love it for the strength increases and low sides. Im planning a 4 weeker with havoc and trn. Heres the layout I was thinking of:

    Week 1: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 2: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 3: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 4: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg

    Cabergoline will be used probably every 3rd day just to stop any possible prolactin issues trn might cause.

    post cycle therapy will consist of MASSFX, Torem/atd inverse protocol, retain, oratropin 80mcg every 3rd day.

    Supporting supps for cycle and post cycle therapy: cycle support, extra hawthorne, Twinlabs BP control, (YellowGold throughout)

    Anyways, I will start a more detailed log if anyone is interested later. For now, Im just looking for some feedback.
    running havoc, trn and yellow gold will be one hellva stack!!!

    you'll be busting at the seems, you'll be so pumped!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ugab37
    I know its better to use a product as a standalone first to gauge its effectiveness, but I use trn in almost all cycles and I love it for the strength increases and low sides. Im planning a 4 weeker with havoc and trn. Heres the layout I was thinking of:

    Week 1: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 2: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 3: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 4: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg

    Cabergoline will be used probably every 3rd day just to stop any possible prolactin issues trn might cause.

    post cycle therapy will consist of MASSFX, Torem/atd inverse protocol, retain, oratropin 80mcg every 3rd day.

    Supporting supps for cycle and post cycle therapy: cycle support, extra hawthorne, Twinlabs BP control, (YellowGold throughout)

    Anyways, I will start a more detailed log if anyone is interested later. For now, Im just looking for some feedback.
    son of a ***** I was going to do this same stack everything you listed haha I was planning on starting mine once Anabolic pump is available :bb2:

    I'll start my log with you bro. how many cals you plan on eating a day and whats your workout split look like?
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    Im planning going about 800 above baseline calories. Ill post the exact amount when I start. On a normal day, that will consist of 7 meals (including shakes). Heres the split:

    Sunday: shoulders/traps/calves/abs
    Wednesday: back/biceps/calves/abs
    Thursday: chest/tris
    Friday: deadlifts/legs(including calves)/abs

    I think I get better results from a six day schedule with a little higher volume, but with work, this is the way I have to do it.
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    When are you starting?

    Your cycle looks solid...I can't wait to follow the log.
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    nice jus to ask whats your max lifts, age, waight and hight give us a lil background about you. I want to know to compare us as we are doing the same cycle.
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    My first thought when I saw this was "WTF, people mixing untested "supplements" with barely tested "supplements" are asking for trouble."

    However, when I read your cycle description it appears that you know what you're doing (more so than the average bear).

    I have a bottle of Havoc sitting on a shelf waiting for the right time to use. In the interim, I'm going to be watching the logs. Best of luck to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid?
    nice jus to ask whats your max lifts, age, waight and hight give us a lil background about you. I want to know to compare us as we are doing the same cycle.
    I'll be starting this either Sat or sunday.

    STATS
    Height: 6'2
    Weight: 231lbs
    Bodyfat: 13.8% (probably not very accurate, just used calipers for these measurements)
    Age: 23
    Max Lifts:
    Bench Press = 410(about 3 years ago at bodyweight of 205. I tore my left pectoral, so dumbells are the staple now)
    Squat = 480 (I havent squatted in about 6 months now. I workout at home and I have a new squat rack to put up, so that will get started back soon)
    Deadlifts = 515 (I havent been doing these very long, but I love em. Im really looking forward to this cycle to see where the PRs go)

    GOALS FOR CYCLE
    Overall: ********er, so Im hoping to hit 240 lean lbs by the end. Following PCT, I hope Im 240 with no additional fat.
    Secondary: I really would like to add at least 20lbs to my deadlift totals.

    CYCLE LAYOUT
    Week 1: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 2: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
    Week 3: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg(possibly up to 8mg for final 2)
    Week 4: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg

    PCT
    Week 5: Oratropin80mcgE3D/ MassFX 3perday/Torem120mg/ ATD25mg/Retain 3perday
    Week 6: Oratropin80mcgE3D/ MassFX 3perday/Torem 90mg/ ATD50mg/Retain 3perday
    Week 7: Oratropin80mcgE3D/ MassFX 3perday/Torem 60mg/ ATD75mg/Retain 3perday
    Week 8: Oratropin80mcgE3D/ MassFX 3perday/Torem 30mg/ ATD100mg/Retain 3perday
    Weeks 9-14: ATD50mg/ USP "asteroid" stack

    SUPPORTING/OTHER SUPPS
    Many of these are yearround but all will at least be ran until pct ends.
    Ester-C(1000mg)- 2 per day
    Ester-E(400ius)- 2 per day
    Ultra Mega Green(whole food multi)- 3 per day
    Fish Oils(1000mg)- 6 per day
    Hawthorne Berry(standardized)- 3 per day
    C12 peptide- 4 per day
    Cycle Support- 2 scoops per day
    Perfect Foods(greens powder)- 1 scoop per day
    Acai Splash(fruit powder)- 1 scoop per day
    BCAA mix (xtend, xcell type)- 30gs per day
    Cabergoline- every 3rd day
    Yellow Gold/AP- 500mg (minimum 3 per day before carb meals)

    DIET
    Meal 1: 1cup liquid eggwhites, 1 cup slow oats, 1 scoop wpi, 1 scoop each of fruit/vegetable powder
    Meal 2: (preworkout) 2 scoops wpi, 2 servings Supercarb
    Meal 3: (postworkout) 2scoops wpi, 1 cup slow oats, 2 servings supercarb
    Meal 4: 2 whlolewheat sandwiches with either a ton of turkey breast (or 2 wholewheat sandwiches with powerbutter and sugar free preserves washed down with 2 cups carbcountdown.)
    Meal 5: 1/2 pound 96/4 lean beef low sugar sauce
    Meal 6: 1/2 pound 96/4 lean beef low sugar sauce
    Meal 7: 2scoops Matrix(time-released protein), 2 cups carb countdown lowfat milk.

    Ill post macros when I get a chance. I have all of them written down, but not with me right now.

    I might add 1-1.5 cups of whole wheat pasta to meal 5 if, I feel I need the extra carbs and calories. I also have plenty of carb drinks and mrps that Ill use when work doesnt allow me to get the necessary meals, but it shouldnt be an issue.
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    all the best, looking forward to following your log.
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    Nice, this should yeild some nice results... Subscribed... By chance, will you be getting any bloodwork done pre- and post-?
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    I normally do and I will this time if I have time. Im really wanting to start this weekend, so Ill try to get by the docs office this week.
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    Alright guys, heres todays workout.

    Chest
    Flat Bar Press(first time about 6 months)- 135x10, 185x10, 205x31(PR)(dont know where in da hell that came from), 225x17, 185x33 (I felt stronger on these than I would've expected. I didnt feel too much pain in my left pec so maybe theres hope that I can push some serious weight again one day. For now, baby steps though)

    LowIncline Flyes- 40sx15, 50sx12, 50sx12 (normally I hit the 65s, but chest was already fried)

    PecDec- 2 sets of 10 with 3 second hold each rep and 20 second hold on final rep.

    Triceps
    Incline Dumbell Tricep Extensions- 85x50, 120x33(all I needed)

    Tricep Pressdowns- stack for 2 sets 15

    Traps
    Bench Press Machine Shrugs- 1 set with stack til failure

    Abs
    Decline Crunches- 1 set til failure
    Roman chair straight leglifts/knee ups- 1 superset of 20/23
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    any reason for the low dosing of massfx?
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    Im just wanting to see how the low dose goes, but Ill up if needed.
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    i'd say your goal of getting and keeping 9 fat free pounds of muscle is a little ambitious if you have previous anabolic experience...but if you dont, it could happen.
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    I do have previous experience and yes, its a very lofty goal, but I figure Ill shoot high and if I dont make it, Ill still have pretty good gains.
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    Good luck i'll be following as well
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    good luck. I'll be following ur log.
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    Sunday was shoulders/back.

    Shoulders
    Dumbell Press- 50sx20, 65sx15, 85sx16, 85sx14
    1 Arm standing Laterals- 25x15, 35x12, 35x15
    1 Arm Bent-over Laterals(on cable machine)-3sets of 15

    Back
    1 Arm Cable Rows- 130x10, 16 x16
    I did a pump workout with some trisets on different variations of pulldowns and I would hang from pullup bar for 30 seconds after each triset.

    Overall
    I had some awesome pumps, but workout was a little more fast paced than normal for me. Im looking forward to some strength increases later.
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    Today was bis/tris:

    Biceps
    Incline Dumbell Curl- 35sx15, DowndaRack(50sx8, 40sx8, 30sx8 20sx10)
    Concentration curls- (21s) 3sets of 7/7/7 with 35
    Standing Dumbell Curls- 3sets of 10 with only 5 second rest in between each set.
    High Pulley Cable 1arm Curl- 2 sets of 15 with 60
    Preacher Cable Machine- 1 set til failure with 140
    2 supersets with 20reps each of:
    Cable Curls with 150
    Lying Tricep Extension (cable) with 150

    Triceps
    Dumbell Brainbusters- 25sx20, 35sx20, 50sx10, 40sx20 then drop to 25sx12
    Cable Kickbacks- 3sets of 15 with 70
    Dips- bodyweight for 1 set of 17

    Abs
    1 superset of on Romanchair with straight leglifts for 20 and bent knee ups for 20

    Overall
    Workout was good. Strength is up and pumps are awesome still. Deads tommorrow. We'll see how that goes
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    Alright guys, sorry for the lack of updates. Heres my last two workouts.

    Chest
    Flat Bench Press- 135x20, 185x10, 205x33(PR), 235x27(PR), 185x34
    Giant Set(in this order)- HighIncline Flye, LowIncline Flye, Flat Flye, Flat Press- 2 sets for 10reps on everything with 50lb dumbells.
    PecDec- 2 burnout high rep sets

    Triceps
    Incline Dumbell Tricep Extensions- 85x20, 120x33, 85x61reps
    Bodyweight Dips- 2 sets of 20
    Cable Kickbacks- 2sets of 15 with 70lbs

    Overall
    I hit 3 PRs and even though the weights were light, I havent hit Bar presses in forever so this is kind of shocking. The pumps were amazing.

    WORKOUT #2

    Back
    One Arm Dumbell Rows- 100x10, 120x30(Pumps almost too good)
    Reversegrip Pulldowns- 2 sets of 15 with 200
    Superset of Wide front/back pulldowns- 2 sets with 20 reps

    Biceps
    Incline One Arm Curls- 3 sets of 10 with 50s
    Dumbell Crossbody Hammer Curl- 50sx15, 65sx12, 85sx13 (felt lighter than they ever have)
    3 Giant sets in this order- OneArmCurls(50lbs, 5reps), HammerCurls(45lbs, 10reps), Seated Dumbell Curls(35lbs, 10reps), and to finish off the pump, BarCurls (65lbs, 15reps)

    Overall
    Another Amazing Workout!!!! I cant believe how fast my strength and weight is going up. I seriously weighed 240.6 today. Thats crazy. I know some of it is water, but Im still looking pretty lean. No increase in waist size either. YG is awesome and Havoc's look pretty nice as well. Ill try to update more frequently. Tomorrow is deads/legs/traps.
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    Jayhawkk or anybody else. Could you move this log to the review/log section. My bad, I meant to put it over there in the first place
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    ugab37,

    I guess you are doing much better than i am in the weight gain department.

    I take it you gained 9 pounds in two weeks? I gained 2 pounds in 8 days. I however am on 30mgs. of havoc daily whereas you are on 20 mgs. Maybe its the 6 mgs or trn (whatever that is) that is making such a difference plus the fact yopu are bulking.

    I'm keeping the same maintenace calories prior to my cycle because i want to see how well havoc works all variables remaining the same.
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    I actually upped my dosage to 30mgs on day 6. I just figured the high dosage would fit me best considering the ph experience I have. My diet has been a good bit above my normal intake. Carbs and Cals are up a good bit. Im trying to stay with all my regular diet, but add it about 150-200 extra carbs and anywhere from 800-1200 extra cals.
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    Alright guys, I hit some deads/legs/traps for a quick one today.

    Deadlifts
    135x10, 225x6, 315x4, 405x5, 405x6
    (I dont know what the hell happened here. I was so damn sore in my bis from the day before that I couldnt hardly keep my grip with the heavy stuff. Dont worry though, I will redeem myself next week)

    Legs
    I still havent got my dang squatrack up!!!!!
    3 trisets of leg press, leg extension, leg curls for 10 reps.
    Calf Raise- stack for 3 sets of 20

    Traps
    Dumbell Shrugs- 120sx10(hold for 3 seconds at top for each rep, hold til failure on last rep)
    Bench Press Machine Shrug- stack for 10(same as above)

    Overall
    Pumps were almost too much to deal with on the trisets. Deads sucked but my form just wasnt right either so next week Ill man up and do some real lifting. Weight is still over 240. Im pounding the carbs now. YG is allowing this bulk to still be lean. Im gonna try to hit 250 before its over and after PCT, I want to be at 238-240. At that time, Ill cut and try to hit 7-9% bf at hopefully around 220-225.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximumSecurity
    ugab37,

    I guess you are doing much better than i am in the weight gain department.

    I take it you gained 9 pounds in two weeks? I gained 2 pounds in 8 days. I however am on 30mgs. of havoc daily whereas you are on 20 mgs. Maybe its the 6 mgs or trn (whatever that is) that is making such a difference plus the fact yopu are bulking.

    I'm keeping the same maintenace calories prior to my cycle because i want to see how well havoc works all variables remaining the same.
    If you are not providing for the increased needs of anabolic compounds, what do you suppose your body is going to use to BUILD the muscle?

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    Yo DSADE, you need to let me test somethin for ya bro. I got a question for you. Do you think DCP would be a good product for pct? I know its not wise to cut in pct and Im planning on keeping the cals up, but Id like to have a little extra help with keeping my gains very lean. Ill probably just save it for my post pct stack Ive got lined up. Either way man, Ill keep the log going when I use it.
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    That is how I am using it. It is NO substitute for your standard AI/SERMS, but I am finding it a VERY effective addition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    That is how I am using it. It is NO substitute for your standard AI/SERMS, but I am finding it a VERY effective addition.
    Yeah, I know. Ill be using my above pct with torem and reb.reloaded as well. Thanks for the quick reply man. Ill get me some in the next few days and Ill use in my pct. Ill try to update everyday from now on. Work seems to have finally calmed down a little bit.
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    so how the cycle end up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    If you are not providing for the increased needs of anabolic compounds, what do you suppose your body is going to use to BUILD the muscle?

    Muscle is not built out of thin air...feed that body.
    good call

    big fan of your work btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by same_old
    i'd say your goal of getting and keeping 9 fat free pounds of muscle is a little ambitious if you have previous anabolic experience...but if you dont, it could happen.
    i don't think 9 fat free pounds of muscle is too ambitious esp with the addition of YG!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gettinpumped
    so how the cycle end up?
    any updates?
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    I was thinking about running a havoc/trn/zol/ap for four weeks for a recomp/cutter. anyone see any problem with that combo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    I was thinking about running a havoc/trn/zol/ap for four weeks for a recomp/cutter. anyone see any problem with that combo?
    You've never taken such products before so I would suggest that you don't pop your cherry with some mega stack. I think the AP is fine but I'd run havoc/epi alone or with Zol. TRN is a more problematic compound which seems to cause difficulty for even experienced users.
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    ill probally leave out the zol and drop in some dicana instead
  

  
 

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