Havoc/m-trn 4week ********

[ugab37]

I know its better to use a product as a standalone first to gauge its effectiveness, but I use trn in almost all cycles and I love it for the strength increases and low sides. Im planning a 4 weeker with havoc and trn. Heres the layout I was thinking of:

Week 1: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 2: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 3: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 4: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg

Cabergoline will be used probably every 3rd day just to stop any possible prolactin issues trn might cause.

PCT will consist of MASSFX, Torem/atd inverse protocol, retain, oratropin 80mcg every 3rd day.

Supporting supps for cycle and pct: cycle support, extra hawthorne, Twinlabs BP control, (YellowGold throughout)

Anyways, I will start a more detailed log if anyone is interested later. For now, Im just looking for some feedback.

[b unit]

I know its better to use a product as a standalone first to gauge its effectiveness, but I use trn in almost all cycles and I love it for the strength increases and low sides. Im planning a 4 weeker with havoc and trn. Heres the layout I was thinking of:

Week 1: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 2: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 3: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 4: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg

Cabergoline will be used probably every 3rd day just to stop any possible prolactin issues trn might cause.

post cycle therapy will consist of MASSFX, Torem/atd inverse protocol, retain, oratropin 80mcg every 3rd day.

Supporting supps for cycle and post cycle therapy: cycle support, extra hawthorne, Twinlabs BP control, (YellowGold throughout)

Anyways, I will start a more detailed log if anyone is interested later. For now, Im just looking for some feedback.

running havoc, trn and yellow gold will be one hellva stack!!!

you'll be busting at the seems, you'll be so pumped!!

[WhatsaRoid?]

I know its better to use a product as a standalone first to gauge its effectiveness, but I use trn in almost all cycles and I love it for the strength increases and low sides. Im planning a 4 weeker with havoc and trn. Heres the layout I was thinking of:

Week 1: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 2: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 3: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 4: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg

Cabergoline will be used probably every 3rd day just to stop any possible prolactin issues trn might cause.

post cycle therapy will consist of MASSFX, Torem/atd inverse protocol, retain, oratropin 80mcg every 3rd day.

Supporting supps for cycle and post cycle therapy: cycle support, extra hawthorne, Twinlabs BP control, (YellowGold throughout)

Anyways, I will start a more detailed log if anyone is interested later. For now, Im just looking for some feedback.

son of a ***** I was going to do this same stack everything you listed haha I was planning on starting mine once Anabolic pump is available :bb2:

I'll start my log with you bro. how many cals you plan on eating a day and whats your workout split look like?

[ugab37]

Im planning going about 800 above baseline calories. Ill post the exact amount when I start. On a normal day, that will consist of 7 meals (including shakes). Heres the split:

Sunday: shoulders/traps/calves/abs
Wednesday: back/biceps/calves/abs
Thursday: chest/tris
Friday: deadlifts/legs(including calves)/abs

I think I get better results from a six day schedule with a little higher volume, but with work, this is the way I have to do it.

[dsade]

When are you starting?

Your cycle looks solid...I can't wait to follow the log.

[WhatsaRoid?]

nice jus to ask whats your max lifts, age, waight and hight give us a lil background about you. I want to know to compare us as we are doing the same cycle.

[yeahright]

My first thought when I saw this was "WTF, people mixing untested "supplements" with barely tested "supplements" are asking for trouble."

However, when I read your cycle description it appears that you know what you're doing (more so than the average bear).

I have a bottle of Havoc sitting on a shelf waiting for the right time to use. In the interim, I'm going to be watching the logs. Best of luck to you.

[ugab37]

nice jus to ask whats your max lifts, age, waight and hight give us a lil background about you. I want to know to compare us as we are doing the same cycle.

I'll be starting this either Sat or sunday.

STATS
Height: 6'2
Weight: 231lbs
Bodyfat: 13.8% (probably not very accurate, just used calipers for these measurements)
Age: 23
Max Lifts:
Bench Press = 410(about 3 years ago at bodyweight of 205. I tore my left pectoral, so dumbells are the staple now)
Squat = 480 (I havent squatted in about 6 months now. I workout at home and I have a new squat rack to put up, so that will get started back soon)
Deadlifts = 515 (I havent been doing these very long, but I love em. Im really looking forward to this cycle to see where the PRs go)

GOALS FOR CYCLE
Overall: ********er, so Im hoping to hit 240 lean lbs by the end. Following PCT, I hope Im 240 with no additional fat.
Secondary: I really would like to add at least 20lbs to my deadlift totals.

CYCLE LAYOUT
Week 1: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 2: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg
Week 3: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg(possibly up to 8mg for final 2)
Week 4: havoc 2pills/ trn 6mg

PCT
Week 5: Oratropin80mcgE3D/ MassFX 3perday/Torem120mg/ ATD25mg/Retain 3perday
Week 6: Oratropin80mcgE3D/ MassFX 3perday/Torem 90mg/ ATD50mg/Retain 3perday
Week 7: Oratropin80mcgE3D/ MassFX 3perday/Torem 60mg/ ATD75mg/Retain 3perday
Week 8: Oratropin80mcgE3D/ MassFX 3perday/Torem 30mg/ ATD100mg/Retain 3perday
Weeks 9-14: ATD50mg/ USP "asteroid" stack

SUPPORTING/OTHER SUPPS
Many of these are yearround but all will at least be ran until pct ends.
Ester-C(1000mg)- 2 per day
Ester-E(400ius)- 2 per day
Ultra Mega Green(whole food multi)- 3 per day
Fish Oils(1000mg)- 6 per day
Hawthorne Berry(standardized)- 3 per day
C12 peptide- 4 per day
Cycle Support- 2 scoops per day
Perfect Foods(greens powder)- 1 scoop per day
Acai Splash(fruit powder)- 1 scoop per day
BCAA mix (xtend, xcell type)- 30gs per day
Cabergoline- every 3rd day
Yellow Gold/AP- 500mg (minimum 3 per day before carb meals)

DIET
Meal 1: 1cup liquid eggwhites, 1 cup slow oats, 1 scoop wpi, 1 scoop each of fruit/vegetable powder
Meal 2: (preworkout) 2 scoops wpi, 2 servings Supercarb
Meal 3: (postworkout) 2scoops wpi, 1 cup slow oats, 2 servings supercarb
Meal 4: 2 whlolewheat sandwiches with either a ton of turkey breast (or 2 wholewheat sandwiches with powerbutter and sugar free preserves washed down with 2 cups carbcountdown.)
Meal 5: 1/2 pound 96/4 lean beef low sugar sauce
Meal 6: 1/2 pound 96/4 lean beef low sugar sauce
Meal 7: 2scoops Matrix(time-released protein), 2 cups carb countdown lowfat milk.

Ill post macros when I get a chance. I have all of them written down, but not with me right now.

I might add 1-1.5 cups of whole wheat pasta to meal 5 if, I feel I need the extra carbs and calories. I also have plenty of carb drinks and mrps that Ill use when work doesnt allow me to get the necessary meals, but it shouldnt be an issue.

[b unit]

all the best, looking forward to following your log.

[Leggo my Ego]

Nice, this should yeild some nice results... Subscribed... By chance, will you be getting any bloodwork done pre- and post-?

[ugab37]

I normally do and I will this time if I have time. Im really wanting to start this weekend, so Ill try to get by the docs office this week.

[ugab37]

Alright guys, heres todays workout.

Chest
Flat Bar Press(first time about 6 months)- 135x10, 185x10, 205x31(PR)(dont know where in da hell that came from), 225x17, 185x33 (I felt stronger on these than I would've expected. I didnt feel too much pain in my left pec so maybe theres hope that I can push some serious weight again one day. For now, baby steps though)

LowIncline Flyes- 40sx15, 50sx12, 50sx12 (normally I hit the 65s, but chest was already fried)

PecDec- 2 sets of 10 with 3 second hold each rep and 20 second hold on final rep.

Triceps
Incline Dumbell Tricep Extensions- 85x50, 120x33(all I needed)

Tricep Pressdowns- stack for 2 sets 15

Traps
Bench Press Machine Shrugs- 1 set with stack til failure

Abs
Decline Crunches- 1 set til failure
Roman chair straight leglifts/knee ups- 1 superset of 20/23

[cdawg123]

any reason for the low dosing of massfx?

[ugab37]

Im just wanting to see how the low dose goes, but Ill up if needed.

[same_old]

i'd say your goal of getting and keeping 9 fat free pounds of muscle is a little ambitious if you have previous anabolic experience...but if you dont, it could happen.

[ugab37]

I do have previous experience and yes, its a very lofty goal, but I figure Ill shoot high and if I dont make it, Ill still have pretty good gains.

[Jayhawkk]

Good luck i'll be following as well

[Gettinpumped]

good luck. I'll be following ur log.

[ugab37]

Sunday was shoulders/back.

Shoulders
Dumbell Press- 50sx20, 65sx15, 85sx16, 85sx14
1 Arm standing Laterals- 25x15, 35x12, 35x15
1 Arm Bent-over Laterals(on cable machine)-3sets of 15

Back
1 Arm Cable Rows- 130x10, 16 x16
I did a pump workout with some trisets on different variations of pulldowns and I would hang from pullup bar for 30 seconds after each triset.

Overall
I had some awesome pumps, but workout was a little more fast paced than normal for me. Im looking forward to some strength increases later.

[ugab37]

Today was bis/tris:

Biceps
Incline Dumbell Curl- 35sx15, DowndaRack(50sx8, 40sx8, 30sx8 20sx10)
Concentration curls- (21s) 3sets of 7/7/7 with 35
Standing Dumbell Curls- 3sets of 10 with only 5 second rest in between each set.
High Pulley Cable 1arm Curl- 2 sets of 15 with 60
Preacher Cable Machine- 1 set til failure with 140
2 supersets with 20reps each of:
Cable Curls with 150
Lying Tricep Extension (cable) with 150

Triceps
Dumbell Brainbusters- 25sx20, 35sx20, 50sx10, 40sx20 then drop to 25sx12
Cable Kickbacks- 3sets of 15 with 70
Dips- bodyweight for 1 set of 17

Abs
1 superset of on Romanchair with straight leglifts for 20 and bent knee ups for 20

Overall
Workout was good. Strength is up and pumps are awesome still. Deads tommorrow. We'll see how that goes