TLMG's Jungle Warfare Log

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  1. I'm waiting this log and others out to decide whether to go with JW or HD this august. Both should be pretty good. Right now I'm leaning toward JW. Of course not many Hyperdrol logs yet.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by machinehead
    No offense, but what you are doing is not DC. Refer to the short manual I have attached. I am no expert myself but if you have any questions, ask.

    Great log by the way!
    The DC training I'm using was taken right from Dante's mouth out of the pages of the July 2006 issue of Ironman. The article with Dante is called Dante's Inferno: Who Is He, and Why Is Doggcrapp Training Building So Much Muscle Mass?

    And me too, I'm no expert myself either as this is all new to me so I'll definitely be reading over the manual you linked up Thanks!! I'm curious what the similarities and differences are between the two.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs
    Outstanding log so far, have u noticed any anxiety while on JW, I was only on it for 8 days but had to stop due to job,kids,wife, ya know life gets in the way sometime, but I want to start again, not sure if it was indeed the JW but would like to know if this happened to anyone else, as far as being a newlywed and no extra money, throw kids in the mix, but it will all work out, interesting log good job bro.....
    Hey thanks No, I haven't noticed any anxiety. The only psychological effect I've noticed is a heightened feeling of being the "alpha male."

    I'm a firm believer though that a lot of times when something different happens, generally speaking of course, people's first response is to say that it is a result of the supplement. I call this the "Damn I farted and it reeks like hell more than usual. It must be because of the new supplement I'm taking"...effect. I know I've done this before. Did the anxiety go away after stopping the use of JW??

  4. Well basically you have to do one RP set of only one exercise, deadlifts, forearms, calves and quads excluded. Also, you have to do the 2 way split not the 3 way you just started, it is for those with superior recovery ability and definately not for those just starting.

    The 3 exercises he listed are to be rotated, not done all at once. I see how it can be confusing the way it's laid out in the magazine. You will eventually set it up right, good luck!

    ...and I say 'have to' because everything is the way it is for a reason...

  5. Quote Originally Posted by machinehead
    Well basically you have to do one RP set of only one exercise, deadlifts, forearms, calves and quads excluded. Also, you have to do the 2 way split not the 3 way you just started, it is for those with superior recovery ability and definately not for those just starting.

    The 3 exercises he listed are to be rotated, not done all at once. I see how it can be confusing the way it's laid out in the magazine. You will eventually set it up right, good luck!

    ...and I say 'have to' because everything is the way it is for a reason...
    I gotcha ya I see where I'm making my mistakes. Thank you very much for that document!! I'll have it set up correctly for next week and get it started again...correctly this time .



    Oh hey, and by the way, are you using Doggcrapp training right now? And if so, are the gains in terms of strength and mass really as significant as claimed?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Terminator LMG
    Oh hey, and by the way, are you using Doggcrapp training right now? And if so, are the gains in terms of strength and mass really as significant as claimed?
    I did it for 5 weeks back in May. I was cutting and I was able to gain a little lbm while losing some [not too much] fat. I looked full all the time on very little carbs and was getting stronger beyond belief. I can't wait to start it again on a bulk! I think the claims are not far-fetched at all, although individual results will vary greatly.
  7. Day 17


    Quote Originally Posted by machinehead
    I looked full all the time on very little carbs and was getting stronger beyond belief.
    Yeah, in just 2 workouts I've gone from incline benching 315 for 6 reps to failure before starting the rest/pause reps, to benching 315lbs for 9 reps before I hit failure. Damn I'm sure the DC style has a good deal to do with that, and the Jungle Warfare too I've noticed has allowed me to make some very noticeable strength gains. The two together will be what I'll be using for the next 5 1/2 weeks.

    So...I weighed myself this morning and I'm still at 230lbs. Now, I'm leaner than I was last week, and I'm looking bigger in the mirror when I'm cold, first thing in the morning. That's going to be the hard part with Jungle Warfare. It's not like Ergomax where the number jumps are very significant over a short period of time as you gain 15lbs in 4 weeks. With the JW there seems to be a 2:1 ratio between muscle mass gained and body fat lost. Kind of like 2 steps forward and one step backward on the scale. So it'll be a bit harder as I've noticed that some people tend to pay more attention to the actual change in #'s than the reasoning behind the changes in the #'s. So even though it looks like I'm stagnant right now, I'm really not. Changes are happening.

    About the photos....I did get them, but I'm going to be brutally honest in saying that the quality just sucks ass. A picture taken up close looks like it was taken at 2 miles away, even on Zoom in!! So...back to square one for this. I may just have to break down and buy a damn digital myself because I really want everyone reading this to see the changes. And if worse comes to worse there should at least be an "after" photo that I can post up...not ideal but better than nothing. There should be some good 4th of July sales coming up this weekend so I'll be keeping an eye out on the adds.

    Overall though, at 2 1/2 weeks in I'm impressed. For a non hormonal product the strength gains, increased stamina, increased libido and reduction in body fat coupled with a noticeably more muscular physique is pretty damn good.

    No noticeable side effects to report so far. No hairloss, no shedding, no increase in acne...pretty smooth sailing from a purely visual standpoint.

  8. seems a waste to get a digital camera just take pictures to post up here. do u have any other use for the new digital camera if you buy one?

    why don't you just get your wife to take a picture with the camera you have now? just work with whatever you got.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by phasar
    seems a waste to get a digital camera just take pictures to post up here. do u have any other use for the new digital camera if you buy one?

    why don't you just get your wife to take a picture with the camera you have now? just work with whatever you got.
    Well, the camera we borrowed sucks. The pics look like I'm standing 2 miles away even on zoom. I do have some non-digital pics that we took of my wife and I in Vegas on our honeymoon. I think next time I'm over at my parent's place I'll get the pics scanned and post them up. They're right before I started JW. Although I have a shirt on, it's really tight and you can get a good idea of my build.
  10. Day 19


    I've been having some kickass strength gains this past week. On Sunday I was only able to incline bench 315lbs for 6 reps. On Thursday however I incline benched 315 for 9 reps....that's 3 extra reps in less than week!! Cool in my book I've switched to a DC style of training and I'm really enjoying the change up in my workouts. Coupled with the JW and how strong it is making me feel, I think I'm in for some really solid strength gains with some mass added on the side. Almost all of my lifts have been going up, either in weight or in the # of reps I'm cranking out.

    I'll be weighing myself again on Tuesday. My diet is still at 4000 kcals a day with cardio 2x a week. So far so good.
  11. Day 21


    I think the biggest effect I am noticing thus far from Jungle Warfare is strength, and a heightened alpha male attitude, more so than the usual for me.

    As I said last week I have revamped my workout to be a DC style of training. I'm not using pure DC, as the guys in Ironman Magazine had some nifty ideas to tweak Dante's concept, so I'm employing some of those little techniques in there as well. I figure that I'm on a product that enhances my natural test levels so recovery will be a bit quicker than normal. For example, Here's a sample of today's workout.

    Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back (Thickness, Width).

    Chest:

    Decline Hammer Strength: 480lbs for 8 reps, 3, 2, 2 Rest/Pause.
    I incorporated a second set whereby I did normal reps for 10 reps, but finished the set with 5 X-reps (as talked about in Ironman Magazine).

    A month ago I was struggling to get 6 reps with 20lbs LESS than this.

    Delts:

    Military Press: 205lbs for 10 reps, 3, 2, 2. Rest/Pause
    Second Set was lighter with 155lbs. However, rather than doing normal reps, I would "double dip" in the sweet spot and do 2 partials at the bottom of the movement before moving the weight all the way back up to the top.

    Triceps:

    Cable Pushdowns (Elbows flared Jay Cutler Style): 300lbs for 8 reps, 4, 3, 3.
    The second set was lighter incorporating the same "double dipping" in the sweet spot of the movement to recruit more fibers. It's like a 1 1/2 rep, but with 2 half reps between a single full rep.

    Back Thickness

    Machine Rows: 150lbs rest/Pause style...not that much, but to give you an idea a couple months ago I was struggling with 100lbs on this.

    Back Width

    Lat Pulldowns: 210lbs 6, 3, 3, 2 rest/pause.


    No noticeable side effects thus far. My libido is still very high and there is more volume to my ejaculate. The pumps are still VERY nice and last all day. I'm kind of sort of noticing some leaning out effects but not a whole lot at this point. I'm only 3 weeks in and results are coming slowly but surely. Like I said above, I'm noticing a heightened alpha male attitude, and I'm a bit more "moody" at times as I've upped the dosage from 3 to 4 caps. Tomorrow I will weigh myself. I sent some pics to ALRI so hopefully Author will take a look at them and let us know about body size and dosing soon, along with prior androgen use.

    Till tomorrow, peace out everyone
  12. Day 22


    I weighed myself this morning....up 2lbs. I now weigh 232lbs. This was done first thing upone waking in the morning. Now that seems to be a bit more consistent with the Jungle Warfare writeup!! My goal for next week is 234lbs.

    So...

    Day 1: 220lbs
    Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
    Day 22: 232lbs
    Day 29:...???

    I'm up 12lbs in body weight, and my strength and libido are way up as well. 2 thumbs up so far. I bet I can gain an average of 2lbs a week.

    Daily caloric intake will be just above 4000 kcals.
  13. Day 23


    D/C day of Quads, Hammies, traps, Biceps and Forearms...(I put calves in after cardio).

    For a "non-hormonal" product this stuff sure gives some wicked strength gains. Today I loaded up three 45lb plates on a Hammer Strength Preacher Curl and did a rest pause set of a total of 12 reps. I hit 6 reps before hitting failure...then went into my rest/pause reps. All of my lifts are definitely going up.

    I decided to add in a rest/pause set of barbell shrugs, followed by another just straight set to failure simply because big traps just look powerful. I also have stuck to not using any wrist straps while shrugging to build up my forearms and grip. Using wrist straps for all those years was a huge mistake. My motto now is if I can't hold onto it, I ain't liftin' it. Needless to say that when I started Jungle Warfare I could barely shrug 250lbs for 10 reps without wrist straps (365lbs with straps). Now I'm shrugging 315lbs without those damn straps and holding that bar for 10 full reps. So I'm almost up to where I was with straps.

    Tomorrow will be 30 minutes of cardio, followed by abs and calves. Damn I can't wait to hit the weights again on friday. The biggest thing, like I've said, is that I'm noticing some fantastic strength gains from the Jungle Warfare and it gets me all revved up to get in there and tear it up. I love walkin' out of the gym knowing that I've smashed all my prior records.

    No increase in acne to report. No oily skin. I still have that very heightened "alpha-male" feeling and over all I'm just in a good mood. I have however noticed that irritants are intensified just a wee bit!! Some kid working at the movie theatre tried telling me I couldn't bring my home made weight gainer shake into the movies with me yesterday. LOL!! Needless to say he did NOT get his way.
  14. Day 25


    Today was Chest/Delts/Tris/Back...slightly modified doggcrapp style.

    My workout consisted of Flat Bench Press for chest (345lbs...6,3,2 Rest/Pause.), Dumbell presses for delts, lying barbell extensions for triceps, and dumbell rows. I simply ran out of fuel to hit back width. That just sucked!!! I've been pushing more weight than I'm use to and I'm starting to feel it. My wrists are still a bit sore from wednesday from the heavy curling and my elbows are slightly tender from all of the heavy pushing. Luckily too I have the weekend off to let my wrists and elbows relax.

    If there's one conclusion that I can for sure draw at this point regarding Jungle Warfare is that it gives some really sick strength gains. I also had a guy today totally shocked and he said that I'm looking a lot bigger. The last time he saw me was roughly 3 1/2 weeks ago when I started the Jungle Warfare! I see myself every day, so sometimes it is hard to tell. But I have been getting a lot of compliments lately on the size I've put on.

    I missed both of my planned cardio sessions this past week due to unexpected, last minute circumstances that came up. So the plan is to hit cardio on both Saturday and Sunday morning to make up for it. Nothing too heavy, just 30 minutes. I hate missing out on cardio because weighing 232lbs on a 5'10" frame is a lot of weight to carry around for me. Cardio keeps me feeling light and agile.

    I can't say however that I have noticed any profound leaning effect from the Jungle Warfare. Maybe it's that the whey protein bloats me to a point that I just can't tell, or maybe it's just my diet right now. This is what I will have had for today and is pretty typical for me...what do you think?

    Meal 1: Shake consisting of...
    2 cups non fat milk
    1 cup raw oatmeal
    2 scoop whey protein powder

    1/2 powerbar

    My workout

    Meal 2:PWO shake contains 87g carbs, 70g protein, 6 g fat.

    Meal 3
    1 1/2 cups brown rice
    1 can chunk white tuna
    4 oz. chicken

    Meal 4: shake consisting of...

    2 cups non fat milk
    1 cup raw oatmeal
    2 scoop whey protein powder

    Meal 5

    1 1/2 cups brown Rice
    10 oz chicken
    Veges

    Meal 6: Usually a shake

    2 cups non fat milk
    1 cup raw oatmeal
    2 scoop whey protein powder

    There may be a few other items in here throughout the day, but this is a typical meal plan for me and it usually works out to roughly 4000 kcal.

    Ok, so saturday and sunday are cardio days with abs and calves. Monday will be Traps, biceps, forearms, quads and hammies.

  15. Your diet looks spot on, I read your log almost daily and would add comments, but your log is so complete I really have nothing to add, except this product seems to be kicking serious ass for ya..... rock on

  16. Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs
    Your diet looks spot on, I read your log almost daily and would add comments, but your log is so complete I really have nothing to add, except this product seems to be kicking serious ass for ya..... rock on
    LOL!! Thanks! Maybe I'll just start omitting stuff so that you have comments to add! Glad to hear I'm covering all the bases.

    I wasn't quite sure what to think about JW at first, being herbal and all. I honestly didn't expect to get the results that I'm getting so far. I'm very pleased.

  17. i'm not sure if the results have to be dramatic.......... i mean since it's not hormonal. with the ph's you'd expect you'd have to get to some very high points, since you know you're gonna lose a chunk of that during pct. but i'd be happy if this product gave me a pound or two/month AND/OR better composition. i mean wouldn't we all be a happy camper if we each gained 8 pounds in 6 months, while looking leaner? i think for the average joe, that more than exceeds expectations....especially if the product is as they say "good for you". but even if it weren't, at least it's not bad for you.
  18. Day 28


    Tomorrow I'm going to weigh myself...LOL!! It's too damn late right now and I've had too much food to provide an accurate figure.

    Today in the gym was Traps, Biceps, Forearms, Quads, Hams...all from doggcrapp style training with slight modifications.

    Traps: Barbell Shrugs rest/pause, rest for 3 minutes, then perfomed one straight set.
    Quads: Squats on a smith machine...loved it!! 3 straight sets
    Biceps: EZ barbell Curls Rest/Pause, rest for 3 minutes then performed one straight set with X reps.
    Forearms: Reverse curls using an EZ curl bar, 2 sets...1st set rest/pause, the second set a straight set with X reps.
    Hammies: Hammer Strength lying leg curls, rest/pause, 2 sets performed.

    This is my workout C, the 3rd in the rotation of Doggcrapp style training so come next week we'll see what kind of strength gains I have made.
  19. Week 4 impressions so far...


    Alright, it's been 4 weeks since first begining this product so I thought it would be a good idea to post some thoughts at the end of 4 weeks.

    Positives

    *Increased Strength.
    *Increased Libido.
    *Increased stamina and performance in the gym.
    *Increases with muscle mass are at this point really starting to show.
    *Better overall attitude...just a general feeling of feeling good.
    *Heightened alpha male attitude.
    *Pumps that last all day...very nice vasodilation effect.

    Negatives...if you can really call them that

    *A bit of increased acne and oily skin for the first 10 days or so. That subsided however after about 10 days into it.
    *That heightened alpha male attitude I mentioned above...yeah, it'll make you a little more irritable at times!

    So far this is a solid product. The problem that I am seeing is that some people are expecting Superdrol/Ergomax/PheraPlex style gains that are rapid and immediate. That's not the case with Jungle Warfare. The results really don't start to come through until about 2 weeks in....that's about when you I at least began to notice some significant changes. I think the biggest effects that I noticed within the first 2 weeks was an increased pump (very reminiscent of ActivaTE as they both bind SHBG), increases in libido, and increases in strength and stamina starting to occur. It takes 10-14 days or so from what I've noticed for the AI to lower your estrogen levels low enough and escalate your testosterone levels high enough in return before your body is in a significantly more capable state of building muscle mass. Therefore, I think that at the time the first bottle is empty is when users will really be at their peak for experiencing the effects of Jungle Warfare. Weeks 3 and 4 have been HUGE for me. Not to mention the effects of the AR agonist which at this point I really couldn't gauge.

    I think that a product like this is best run for 8 or more weeks to truly gauge its effectiveness because I am now at a point where I feel like I am fully experiencing ALL of the benefits of Jungle Warfare. Granted I have a history of androgen use with 3 Ergomax cycles run in the last year so users of JW who haven't used androgens will more than likely experience results greater than mine. But I'm pretty damn impressed so far to say the least and if it's kicking this much ass at 4 weeks in I can only imagine where I'll be in another 4 weeks...with a solid diet and workout plan of course.

  20. Thats all great news Now get your booty to bed! Why are you still up???? Sheeeeesh give them muscles some rest


    Im starting JW in 2 weeks at my own risk of course.

  21. great log, great numbers, great gains, great lifts....Great thread. Im gonna get me some JW lets see how your next 4 weeks go first tho, thanks for posting this thread.
  22. Day 29


    I weighed myself this morning....up 3lbs. I now weigh 235lbs. This was done first thing upone waking in the morning. My goal for next week is 237lbs.

    So...

    Day 1: 220lbs
    Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
    Day 22: 232lbs
    Day 29: 235lbs
    Day 36:....?

  23. And hey, out of curiosity, why did you decide to throw Jungle Warfare into the mix? I understand how it works in males, but what has ALRI told you about its effects on women and the pathways by which it works in women? I can see how the AR agonist is still going to have a profound effect on your androgen receptors, I can see how the inhibition of SHBG will free up the testosterone you're producing, and I can see the benefit of lower estrogen levels...but how is testosterone suppose to be increased? I'm very curious!! I eat up all the physiology I can get!

    I believe I read somewhere the SHBG also binds with estrogen and can therefore increase the amount of estrogen that is rendered "free". Has Author discussed this with you or will the AI in the JW keep the estrogen levels low enough that it won't be an issue? I ask because women characteristically have a higher level of estrogen than men.




    In answer to your question in my log : Ummmmmmm I am taking it at my own risk, However, Raven did use JW with favorable results and with no masculinizing effects. I really dont know the path that it works honestly, and have not asked Author. Im assuming it will raise my testosterone level and thus will help me build some muscle, Im not sure what it might do to my estrogen, but I doubt it will raise it. Im also interested in the effects of increased libido I hear about, as right now my hubby ( viperspit) is chasing me around the house all night!! He is taking JW as well lol, I will probably try it for 8 weeks. And I do not think I need PCT, as any estrogen is welcomed after using JW. Heck wish I had a better answer for ya This is the strongest thing I would ever condsider using as a female. I know Author said that it has been tested on a few females, with good results but they have not tested it enough to really market it for use for females. Im sort of a risk taker by nature, so Ill take one day at a time and I am in contact with Author and Raven and the whole ALRI team if I need any help so I feel confident at this point.


    Also, Thank you for the wonderful comments on my log, you made me smile really big!!!!!!!!!!


    FnF
  24. Day 30


    blah...double post. See below!!
  25. Day 30


    Let me just start out by saying "I hate gym music." I didn't have my head phones with me this morning and damn it, I can't ****ing stand trying to workout to slow-ass R&B music, coffee shop wanna be jazzy/piano rock, and that crappy-ass rock music that sounds like it came off a TV add for one of the WB's hit series like Dawson's Creek or whatever. I just don't understand how a gym can play slow music for its members. And at my gym, it's always the girls at the front desk that play that crap...not trying to be sexest, just stating an observed fact. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrr!!!!!! Can anybody tell how ****ing adgitated I am right now!!! LOL!!!! Ok, just had to rant and I'm feeling better

    Now, down to business. Aside from the lovely music in the gym today that made it very difficult to be focused and intense, I smashed all my records. Today's workout went like this.

    slightly modified Doggcrapp style: Chest/Tris/Back/Delts

    Chest:

    Incline Press: 335lbs for 8 to failure, then continued through Rest/Pause. Up 20lbs and down 2 reps from last week's 315 for 9.

    Triceps:

    Close Grips on a Smith machine at an incline...I think 225lbs rest/pause style.
    Followed by a straight set of one-arm reverse grip cable pushdowns (Is there a shorter name for this exercise!! Sheeesh!).

    Back (Width)

    Reverse Grip pulldowns (hands shoulder width apart): I started with 170 and nailed 13 reps...totally not expected as last week I did 170 for 6. So after the 13 I kicked up the weight to 180lbs, pulled for 6,4,4,3 rest/pause.
    Then, just for fun after resting for 3 minutes I did a straight set of 200lbs for 6. So, in one DC cycle from workout A, through B and C and then back to workout A which was today, I went from using 160lbs to nearly 200lbs on this exercise. Nice slow movements, no jerking. Not to shabby. An effect of DC style training or JW...probably both IMO.

    Back (Thickness)

    Deadlifts done on a Rack: 315lbs for 8....still working on that grip!

    Delts
    Upright Rows on a smith machine: Last week's weight of 185 was a bit too "uncontrolled" for me even though I got 6 reps...it was the 2nd exercise in my workout last week. I've seen people seriously mess their shoulders up with this exercise so I checked my ego at the rack before stepping in and dropped the weight to 165lbs....which was much better. I did this for I believe 6 reps to failure, then 4,4,3 rest/pause and this time it was the LAST exercise in my workout.

    So overall, the strength gains just keep on comin'!! Pumps are still fantastic in the gym too from the Jungle Warfare.

    Oh, and I've readjusted my calories per my new weight. Here's how I calculate it.

    235lbs * 15= 3525 + 500cals above maint = 4025 kcals total each day to gain weight.

    Oh, and for those are concerned about libido issues with using AI's, my libido is still very high. I had some issues with ATD lowering my estrogen levels too low and well, that just sucked as my libido tanked. But I'm having no such problem with the AI in Jungle Warfare. It is keeping estrogen at just the right level to leave me horny as hell all day long!....huh huh huh...I said "Long"..huh huh huh! A little classic Beavis and Butthead for you younger ones who don't get the joke
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