TLMG's Jungle Warfare Log
06-20-2006 07:13 AM
Why not stack Hyperdrol with Jungle Warfare??
06-20-2006 10:05 AM
The hundred dollar price tag.
Originally Posted by animalXXX
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
06-20-2006 06:28 PM
Well for one, there is too little feedback available at this point to know just how effective either one is individually. Two, if you got great results from using both at the same time, how could you truly know which one contributed the most to your success? Why spend $100 bucks every time for both products when you only have to spend $50 for the same results as the $100 option? Three, and I may be wrong on this, but each uses a relatively new AI that not many are familier with. I haven't seen it discussed anywhere that using both at the same time is a safe option. One major point each product's write up highlights is that the AI's used are nowhere near as harsh as ATD...alone. However, if you go stacking these 2 new AI's together, who knows, you may end up in effect creating a response that is quite similar to that of ATD, thus resulting in estrogen levels being too low, dry and painful joints, and no sex drive with a limp chimp for the duration of your cycle.
Originally Posted by animalXXX
My best advice on this is to contact the company directly regarding the stacking of the two...especially if you plan on using the full recommended dosage of each product at the same time. We can sit around all day on the boards and speculate, but why waste time when you can go straight to the horses mouth...you know what I mean???
06-20-2006 06:40 PM
Alright, I weigh myself for ya'll tomorrow. I know the scale has gone up because I can just see it and feel it. The Jungle Warfare is really starting to kick in now. I just did roughly 30 minutes on the crosstrainer today, nothing too exciting. But I will be doing 1-2, 30 minute cardio sessions per week just to keep the BF levels from rising. That way we can all get a really good look at the amount of lean muscle tissue gained. 1 or 2 days of cardio is just enough for me to maintain my bodyfat, so it'll be a good indicator as to the direct effect the Jungle Warfare has on fat loss. And my diet is clean too. I eat so much raw oatmeal and brown rice it's not even funny!!
I'm really starting to notice the increase in "assertiveness" in my personality from the Jungle Warfare. No moodiness, as I tend to find that I'm in a more positive mood that usual. Tomorrow will be day 9 and biceps and triceps in the gym.
06-21-2006 07:08 AM
hmmm.... you make a lot of sense bro.... i think i will go to the horses mouth...
06-22-2006 03:00 PM
Just me joking around!
It's like I tell everyone in class. I'm always right. And on the rare occassions when I am not, I'm just testing you to make sure that you are paying attention to me
Originally Posted by animalXXX
In all seriousness, I'm really enjoying the Jungle Warfare so far. Let me know what you find out and feel free to post it up in here. Don't worry about cluttering up the log.
06-22-2006 03:02 PM
Ok, first things first. I started at 220lbs. I weighed in yesterday and I'm 230lbs.
Now, I know I did't gain 10lbs of muscle, and I know I didn't gain 10lbs of fat. The AI in JW should be keeping me from retaining water, so water weight gain I believe is out of the equation in solving this riddle. 5lbs of it has to come from the weight of my testicles because damn they are huge and swingin' low right now!! Joking!! But my wife asks me every time we have sex if I've been saving up b/c the load is...um...larger than a porn stars. All joking aside, What I have come up with is that since getting married and finishing finals week in college, I was eating more hypo-caloric that previously thought. Since starting Jungle Warfare I have been keeping a very strict food calorie log. So I'm thinking that with the elevated levels of testosterone, and hence my body's increased ability to take up and store nutrients, and the increase in calories, some of the weight gain is due to an increase in stored glycogen and other nutrients. And too, an increase in stored glycogen is one of the signs of an "androgen" working...in this case the "androgen receptor agonist." I am however a bit more muscular looking and am already getting compliments on it. Maybe added muscle, maybe increased glycogen storage, probably a combo of both. And I feel a lot leaner too. Thoughts anybodyon the rapid jump in weight gain????
I have therefore adjusted my daily caloric intake to 3950 kcals.
The acne has suprisingly subsided and my face is crystal clear again. After training bis and tris in the gym yesterday I can say that my strength is definitely up. Normally I get 1 or 2 reps added each week. Yesterday I was easily adding 3-4 reps to each set compared to last week. Today I trained legs...yippy. Nah, I actually love the feeling of my quads being sore and shaking when I walk and my hammy's being all tight. I enjoy the end result of soreness, just sometimes hate the process of getting there. Good workout today though.
Tomorrow will be 20 minutes of HIIT cardio...well, that kinda sorta depends on how sore my quads and hammies are!! But anyways, cardio for sure tomorrow followed by calves. Saturday will be my day off and sunday I will be slaughtering my back again! I'll follow that with updates on noted strength increases from last week's back workout.
06-22-2006 03:06 PM
10 pounds in 10 days is awesome. If you don't notice yourself getting fat and it doesn't show up on the tape measure, keep doing what your doing
06-22-2006 03:13 PM
Thanks I think though that it is the "after contest effect" where you're in a hypocaloric state and then suddenly your body gets this massive influx of calories and so you just start storing everything left and right. I was creating a 500 kcal deficit when running ALRI's Venom Tri-Lean stack and now I'm eating 500 kcals above maintenance....a fluxuation of 1000 kcals. So I think my body is in greedy mode and storing the added kcals.
Originally Posted by Viperspit
But like you said, I'm not getting fat either. My pants are even fitting loser than normal. So it's not a bad thing. It's just that I can't look at this and say that it was 10lbs of solid muscle. Not even Superdrol did that in 10 days!!
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next week. I think that at that point my body will be over the hypercaloric shock and the scale will be a much better indicator next week than it was for this previous week.
06-22-2006 08:43 PM
10 pounds.... but what's the heaviest you have been?
06-22-2006 10:43 PM
The heaviest has been 246lbs, but that was years ago. Again, 10lbs can be a lot of things, and like I said, not even Superdrol could do that in 10 days. I believe the 10lbs has more to do with increased glycogen retention due to my moving from a hypo to a hyper-caloric diet...coupled with the increased ability to store nutrients due to the JW effects on the AR and test levels.
Originally Posted by phasar
Granted I do believe that some of the gain is muscle, maybe 1-2 lbs of it if I am going to be consisted with what ALRI reports as being average muscle gain over 12 weeks, but I can't sit here and say that all 10 of it is pure muscle.
06-23-2006 01:53 AM
Mad props on the weight gain and those strength gains seem pretty sic two. just curious how much have u stepped up ur protien n the last ten days? Cause I know for me a calorie spike with an big increase in protien helps me pack weight on a lot faster
BTW does any one remember the calories = lbs of fat equation I know they taught it in school just can't remember does 1000 K/cals : 1 lb of fat sound right? just curious
06-23-2006 03:49 AM
3500kcals = 1lb of fat
for all you smart kids that did 454x9=4086
'Q. In books on nutrition, I'm told that to lose one pound of fat it's necessary either to reduce my food intake by 3500 calories or to exercise so that 3500 calories are burned. How is the value of 3500 determined? If fat contains 9 calories per gram, and there are 454 grams in a pound, then there should be 4086 calories in a pound of fat-- not 3500.
A. The nutrition books are correct-- 3500 calories per pound of fat is not an absolute amount, but it's very close. However, your math is correct, too. Here is the story.
When we burn fat, or other nutrients, heat is produced, which is measured in calories. As you note, each gram of fat generates 9 calories, and 454 grams equals one pound. But a pound of fat is not all fat. It's about 10% water. All of our body tissues--fat, muscle, bone, skin--contain some water. And water has zero calories.
In addition, not all the nutrients we eat are completely absorbed from the digestive tract to meet metabolic needs. In the case of fat, roughly 5% is eliminated in the feces. This 10% water content and 5% non-absorbed fat accounts for the 15% difference between your calculated 4086 calories and the actual 3500 calories in a pound of fat.
Two other minor points: The calories can be reduced when the meal is high in fiber. Fiber speeds the movement of food through the digestive system, there is less time for the nutrients to be absorbed before they are eliminated. So the non-absorbed fat could be a bit higher. Also, the amount of heat generated from fat differs a little for various foods (depending on fatty acid content). For example, there are 9.50 calories in one gram of meat compared with 9.30 calories for vegetables and fruits and 9.25 calories for dairy products.'
Patrick J. Bird, Ph.D.
06-23-2006 08:31 AM
06-23-2006 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by DaveB
Terminator: Great gains bro, keep it up. I got some JW on the way! Now I'm even more excited.
06-23-2006 05:56 PM
Last night I emailed ALRI and asked them if the dosage was weight dependant. For example, obviously a guy who weighs 175lbs @ 10% bodyfat is going to have fewer androgen receptor sites compared to a guy who weighs 230lbs @ 10% bodyfat because the smaller guy has fewer skeletal muscle fibers/less muscle mass compared to a bigger, more muscular guy. There, it would seem logical to me that 3 caps will not yeild the same results for the 230lb guy as it would the 175lb guy. So I emailed ALRI regarding this issue and here is Author's response:
"At the recommended dosage almost all non AAS/PH users will see good results. Those that have used them can increase dosages to about 2 x suggested and note improved results, but those who have not really do not need to. It is like any other compound or product in that size does matter, but also depends upon the users history."
I have run 3 cycles of Ergomax in the last year, coupled with prostanozol and Max LMG. I've also used 1AD/4AD in the past as well. Also, it is noted that size of the person dose matter. So here's what I'm going to do. Author has requested photos of me so that he can get a better idea as to what my dosing should be based on my physique...and of course based on my previous ph use.
I'll let everyone know what he has to say and I'll post the same photos I send him up here online to help give everyone a better idea of the dosage they should be using for optimal results based on their weight, and based on their own PH/AAS/Designer steroid history use.
Until then, I am going to continue taking 3 caps a day and see where I'm at weight wise on Tuesday when it'll have been exactly 2 weeks for me. There may not even be a need for me to step up my dosage if I'm still gaining.
Yes, I've increased my protein from around 270g to 375-400g daily.
Are those your abs? If so....DAMN bro!! Are you going to start your own JW log on here when you get it??
06-24-2006 06:13 PM
Have you noticed any "leaning" out effect?
06-24-2006 10:02 PM
Well its only fair that you post some pictures for us right Please???????? C'mon!!!!!!!
Hope your enjoying the JW, everyone seems to be liking it alot and gaining well off of it. Just try to keep the acne at bay.
Good luck!!!!!!! and Make us proud
06-25-2006 03:38 AM
Not so much yet. If the average was a loss of 6-8lbs of bodyfat in 12 weeks...well, that would be 1lb of fat lost in 2 weeks. Honestly, I guess since I see myself in the mirror every day it's hard to tell. My wife will be taking digital photos of me tomorrow though...it's about time I finally got a chance to do that for everyone. I bet though that if I had a pic of myself at day vs. now that I'd be able to tell. I do however, on a purely subjective level, feel leaner. My belt buckle is fitting loser. Objectively though I'll have to get those photos up for everyone already.
Originally Posted by size
My wife and I are poor. We're newly weds So, not so much money. I tried for a digital camera on our wedding registry that wasn't expensive at all. Damn, I swear the cheapo's that came to our wedding looked at our registry and saw the digital camera and the blow torch for creme' brule' and thought to themselves "Oh, HE must have put that on there. Weddings are all about the brides so we'll get her a gift instead but make it out to both of them." ****, all I wanted was damn digital camera and a blow torch for the kitchen. We got every other damn piece of china and silverwear and foot bubble bath crap that she loves...but no blow torch and digital camera for me. 2 things. that's all I wanted. And it stead we got a bunch of kitchen stuff. Just what every guy loves getting. But aaahhh, I'm just being a big baby right now. I am beyond appreciative and thankful for the stuff we got because our place honestly looked like my old college dorm room. Everything from our kitchen and living room and bedroom now is so nice thanks to everyone who came to our wedding. We actually have a cozy place now to call ours that we're not ashamed of to have people over.
So, long story short, pics coming soon.
06-25-2006 10:50 AM
hehe. gotta have a close friend to buy the digital camera dude. cuz if they get u the cheap one, they might think you will call them cheap in your heart, when in fact even the cheap digital camera costs more than what they probably ended getting you. so they don't want to that risk perhaps. anyways, you have one now right? did u end up paying for one yourself?
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