TLMG's Jungle Warfare Log
- 06-22-2006, 03:00 PM
Just me joking around!
Originally Posted by animalXXX
In all seriousness, I'm really enjoying the Jungle Warfare so far. Let me know what you find out and feel free to post it up in here. Don't worry about cluttering up the log.
- 06-22-2006, 03:02 PM
Ok, first things first. I started at 220lbs. I weighed in yesterday and I'm 230lbs.
Now, I know I did't gain 10lbs of muscle, and I know I didn't gain 10lbs of fat. The AI in JW should be keeping me from retaining water, so water weight gain I believe is out of the equation in solving this riddle. 5lbs of it has to come from the weight of my testicles because damn they are huge and swingin' low right now!! Joking!! But my wife asks me every time we have sex if I've been saving up b/c the load is...um...larger than a porn stars. All joking aside, What I have come up with is that since getting married and finishing finals week in college, I was eating more hypo-caloric that previously thought. Since starting Jungle Warfare I have been keeping a very strict food calorie log. So I'm thinking that with the elevated levels of testosterone, and hence my body's increased ability to take up and store nutrients, and the increase in calories, some of the weight gain is due to an increase in stored glycogen and other nutrients. And too, an increase in stored glycogen is one of the signs of an "androgen" working...in this case the "androgen receptor agonist." I am however a bit more muscular looking and am already getting compliments on it. Maybe added muscle, maybe increased glycogen storage, probably a combo of both. And I feel a lot leaner too. Thoughts anybodyon the rapid jump in weight gain????
I have therefore adjusted my daily caloric intake to 3950 kcals.
The acne has suprisingly subsided and my face is crystal clear again. After training bis and tris in the gym yesterday I can say that my strength is definitely up. Normally I get 1 or 2 reps added each week. Yesterday I was easily adding 3-4 reps to each set compared to last week. Today I trained legs...yippy. Nah, I actually love the feeling of my quads being sore and shaking when I walk and my hammy's being all tight. I enjoy the end result of soreness, just sometimes hate the process of getting there. Good workout today though.
Tomorrow will be 20 minutes of HIIT cardio...well, that kinda sorta depends on how sore my quads and hammies are!! But anyways, cardio for sure tomorrow followed by calves. Saturday will be my day off and sunday I will be slaughtering my back again! I'll follow that with updates on noted strength increases from last week's back workout.
06-22-2006, 03:06 PM
10 pounds in 10 days is awesome. If you don't notice yourself getting fat and it doesn't show up on the tape measure, keep doing what your doing
06-22-2006, 03:13 PM
Thanks I think though that it is the "after contest effect" where you're in a hypocaloric state and then suddenly your body gets this massive influx of calories and so you just start storing everything left and right. I was creating a 500 kcal deficit when running ALRI's Venom Tri-Lean stack and now I'm eating 500 kcals above maintenance....a fluxuation of 1000 kcals. So I think my body is in greedy mode and storing the added kcals.Originally Posted by Viperspit
But like you said, I'm not getting fat either. My pants are even fitting loser than normal. So it's not a bad thing. It's just that I can't look at this and say that it was 10lbs of solid muscle. Not even Superdrol did that in 10 days!!
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next week. I think that at that point my body will be over the hypercaloric shock and the scale will be a much better indicator next week than it was for this previous week.
06-22-2006, 08:43 PM
06-22-2006, 10:43 PM
The heaviest has been 246lbs, but that was years ago. Again, 10lbs can be a lot of things, and like I said, not even Superdrol could do that in 10 days. I believe the 10lbs has more to do with increased glycogen retention due to my moving from a hypo to a hyper-caloric diet...coupled with the increased ability to store nutrients due to the JW effects on the AR and test levels.Originally Posted by phasar
Granted I do believe that some of the gain is muscle, maybe 1-2 lbs of it if I am going to be consisted with what ALRI reports as being average muscle gain over 12 weeks, but I can't sit here and say that all 10 of it is pure muscle.
06-23-2006, 01:53 AM
Mad props on the weight gain and those strength gains seem pretty sic two. just curious how much have u stepped up ur protien n the last ten days? Cause I know for me a calorie spike with an big increase in protien helps me pack weight on a lot faster
BTW does any one remember the calories = lbs of fat equation I know they taught it in school just can't remember does 1000 K/cals : 1 lb of fat sound right? just curious
06-23-2006, 03:49 AM
3500kcals = 1lb of fat
for all you smart kids that did 454x9=4086
'Q. In books on nutrition, I'm told that to lose one pound of fat it's necessary either to reduce my food intake by 3500 calories or to exercise so that 3500 calories are burned. How is the value of 3500 determined? If fat contains 9 calories per gram, and there are 454 grams in a pound, then there should be 4086 calories in a pound of fat-- not 3500.
A. The nutrition books are correct-- 3500 calories per pound of fat is not an absolute amount, but it's very close. However, your math is correct, too. Here is the story.
When we burn fat, or other nutrients, heat is produced, which is measured in calories. As you note, each gram of fat generates 9 calories, and 454 grams equals one pound. But a pound of fat is not all fat. It's about 10% water. All of our body tissues--fat, muscle, bone, skin--contain some water. And water has zero calories.
In addition, not all the nutrients we eat are completely absorbed from the digestive tract to meet metabolic needs. In the case of fat, roughly 5% is eliminated in the feces. This 10% water content and 5% non-absorbed fat accounts for the 15% difference between your calculated 4086 calories and the actual 3500 calories in a pound of fat.
Two other minor points: The calories can be reduced when the meal is high in fiber. Fiber speeds the movement of food through the digestive system, there is less time for the nutrients to be absorbed before they are eliminated. So the non-absorbed fat could be a bit higher. Also, the amount of heat generated from fat differs a little for various foods (depending on fatty acid content). For example, there are 9.50 calories in one gram of meat compared with 9.30 calories for vegetables and fruits and 9.25 calories for dairy products.'
Patrick J. Bird, Ph.D.
06-23-2006, 08:31 AM
06-23-2006, 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by DaveB
Terminator: Great gains bro, keep it up. I got some JW on the way! Now I'm even more excited.
06-23-2006, 05:56 PM
Last night I emailed ALRI and asked them if the dosage was weight dependant. For example, obviously a guy who weighs 175lbs @ 10% bodyfat is going to have fewer androgen receptor sites compared to a guy who weighs 230lbs @ 10% bodyfat because the smaller guy has fewer skeletal muscle fibers/less muscle mass compared to a bigger, more muscular guy. There, it would seem logical to me that 3 caps will not yeild the same results for the 230lb guy as it would the 175lb guy. So I emailed ALRI regarding this issue and here is Author's response:
"At the recommended dosage almost all non AAS/PH users will see good results. Those that have used them can increase dosages to about 2 x suggested and note improved results, but those who have not really do not need to. It is like any other compound or product in that size does matter, but also depends upon the users history."
I have run 3 cycles of Ergomax in the last year, coupled with prostanozol and Max LMG. I've also used 1AD/4AD in the past as well. Also, it is noted that size of the person dose matter. So here's what I'm going to do. Author has requested photos of me so that he can get a better idea as to what my dosing should be based on my physique...and of course based on my previous ph use.
I'll let everyone know what he has to say and I'll post the same photos I send him up here online to help give everyone a better idea of the dosage they should be using for optimal results based on their weight, and based on their own PH/AAS/Designer steroid history use.
Until then, I am going to continue taking 3 caps a day and see where I'm at weight wise on Tuesday when it'll have been exactly 2 weeks for me. There may not even be a need for me to step up my dosage if I'm still gaining.
Yes, I've increased my protein from around 270g to 375-400g daily.
Are those your abs? If so....DAMN bro!! Are you going to start your own JW log on here when you get it??
06-24-2006, 06:13 PM
06-24-2006, 10:02 PM
Well its only fair that you post some pictures for us right Please???????? C'mon!!!!!!!
Hope your enjoying the JW, everyone seems to be liking it alot and gaining well off of it. Just try to keep the acne at bay.
Good luck!!!!!!! and Make us proud
06-25-2006, 03:38 AM
Not so much yet. If the average was a loss of 6-8lbs of bodyfat in 12 weeks...well, that would be 1lb of fat lost in 2 weeks. Honestly, I guess since I see myself in the mirror every day it's hard to tell. My wife will be taking digital photos of me tomorrow though...it's about time I finally got a chance to do that for everyone. I bet though that if I had a pic of myself at day vs. now that I'd be able to tell. I do however, on a purely subjective level, feel leaner. My belt buckle is fitting loser. Objectively though I'll have to get those photos up for everyone already.Originally Posted by size
My wife and I are poor. We're newly weds So, not so much money. I tried for a digital camera on our wedding registry that wasn't expensive at all. Damn, I swear the cheapo's that came to our wedding looked at our registry and saw the digital camera and the blow torch for creme' brule' and thought to themselves "Oh, HE must have put that on there. Weddings are all about the brides so we'll get her a gift instead but make it out to both of them." ****, all I wanted was damn digital camera and a blow torch for the kitchen. We got every other damn piece of china and silverwear and foot bubble bath crap that she loves...but no blow torch and digital camera for me. 2 things. that's all I wanted. And it stead we got a bunch of kitchen stuff. Just what every guy loves getting. But aaahhh, I'm just being a big baby right now. I am beyond appreciative and thankful for the stuff we got because our place honestly looked like my old college dorm room. Everything from our kitchen and living room and bedroom now is so nice thanks to everyone who came to our wedding. We actually have a cozy place now to call ours that we're not ashamed of to have people over.
So, long story short, pics coming soon.
06-25-2006, 10:50 AM
hehe. gotta have a close friend to buy the digital camera dude. cuz if they get u the cheap one, they might think you will call them cheap in your heart, when in fact even the cheap digital camera costs more than what they probably ended getting you. so they don't want to that risk perhaps. anyways, you have one now right? did u end up paying for one yourself?
06-25-2006, 03:35 PM
Yeah, I have one, but damn....the pics it generates makes me look like I'm 2 miles away so you can't even tell anything by the pics. Back to square one. Damn.Originally Posted by phasar
06-25-2006, 03:53 PM
Ok, things are changing. First off, I'm tired of my old workout routine so I'm switching to a Doggcrap style of training. Here's how it'll go.
Monday: Chest, Delts, Tris
Tuesday: Back Width, Back Thickness, Biceps, Forearms
Thursday: Quads, Hammies, calves.
Friday: Repeat Monday's workout
Monday: Repeat Tuesday's Workout
Tuesday: Repeat Thursday's workout.
Today's deviates a bit from the above as I did monday's workout today instead of tomorrow.
- Incline Press: 315lbs....7 to failure + 8 Rest/Pause reps
- Incline Press: 225lbs....10 to failure + 10 Rest/Pause reps
- Flat Bench Dumbell Press: 100lbs DB's...7 to failure + 5 Rest/Pause reps
- Decline Hammer Strength Press: 405lbs...8 to failure + 12 Rest/Pause Reps
- Military Press (Smith Machine): 185lbs...10 to failure + 10 Rest/Pause Reps
- Military Press Again: 205lbs...6 to failure + 5 Rest/Pause
- Upright Rows: 135lbs...10 to failure + 15 Rest/Pause Reps
- Cable Press Downs (Elbows Flaired Jay Cutler Style): 300lbs...10 to failure + 10 Rest/Pause reps.
- Cable Press Downs...same as above.
- Overhead DB Extensions (One arm): 35lbs...10 to failure + 10 Rest/Pause Reps.
D/C style training is totally new to me so those of you with any experience with it, if you have any suggestions or hints or advice, that would be much appreciated.
Now for the subjective updates on JW...Libido is still way up. The acne has subsided for the most part but I still get a few pimples here and there. Strength and overall stamina however are way up. Today's workout was kind of a baseline establishment for me with D/C to work off of on Thursday as on many of the exercises I could have gone heavier. Yet none the less I'm feeling much stronger. The vasodilation effect is still crazy too. I'm always full and pumped on this stuff. My dreams are still like long and crazy fairy tale journeys that are very memorable in the morning. My appetite and water intake too has increased. Oh, and another thing I've forgotten to mention is that my body temp seems to be much higher lately too. I sweat just as much on JW as I do on the Venom Hyperdrive 3.0. Anyways, I'll be weighing myself again on Tuesday and will post it back here for everyone.
I am thinking of increasing the dosage to 4 or 5 anyways as I have a pretty solid history of PH use. I'll wait and see though until Tuesday's weigh in. It may not even be necessary.
06-26-2006, 10:07 PM
Feeling very strong today. My strength and stamina is remarkably high in the gym. Even though I'm tired towards the end, I still feel very strong with each set. Acne has gone away. Sex drive is very high!!! Ha ha ha Sleep is very deep. Tomorrow I'll weigh myself for everyone. I'm very curious about any weight changes with last weeks drastic flux.
Here is today's workout Doggcrap style.
Machine Rows..I used Rest/Pause here for 20 reps on both sets.
One arm Dumbell Rows...normanl rep set
Rack Dead Lifts...normal rep set
Lat Pulldowns...rest/pause style
Rev. Grip Lat Pull Downs...also rest/pause
Hammer Strength Preacher Curls
Dumbell Hammer Curls
Seated Dumbell Curls
quite a few of my lifts went up today, and on most back exercises I was pulling more than before the month layoff I had to take.
Diet is still 4000 calories daily.
06-27-2006, 07:33 PM
i'm subscribed to this, one of the best kept logs i've read on the sites.
i'm on an anti-biotic right now because I have mild acne, since this increases my testosterone levels, do you guys think this will make me break out like pizza face status?
06-27-2006, 11:34 PM
Thank you I'm glad to know that I'm being helpful. As far as acne goes, I only had problems with it for the first 5 days or so. Then it just sort of went away. And since you're on an anti-biotic for acne...I wouldn't even worry about it. What's your past history with acne been like? Have you always had really bad acne?Originally Posted by omied
06-28-2006, 02:35 AM
naw not too bad thankfully. I'll prolly ask my dermo just in-case, though i bet they'd recommend against taking any supp's but we'll see.Originally Posted by Terminator LMG
06-28-2006, 01:53 PM
Your dermatologist doesn't get paid to keep up on supplements. The most he'll probably tell you is that there is a significant correlation/relationship between elevated testosterone levels, oily skin, and increased acne.Originally Posted by omied
I hate to say it but doctors just don't know about supplements. They don't get commission off of keeping their knowledge up to date. To illustrate just how primitive their knowledge is about supplements, generally speaking of course b/c there are docs who are up to date on supps, but most doctors still believe that creatine is bad for your health. It all comes down to the all-mighty dollar, and that all-mighty dollar comes from prescribing prescription meds, not supplements. Therefore, docs will know more about meds than they do supps because it contributes to their paycheck, their welfare, their family's welfare, that new car in the parking lot and the jet ski sitting in the garage of their 4 million dollar home....generally speaking of course.
06-28-2006, 05:28 PM
No offense, but what you are doing is not DC. Refer to the short manual I have attached. I am no expert myself but if you have any questions, ask.
Great log by the way!
06-28-2006, 08:11 PM
i know it's still way too early, but is there anybody at all who is willing to venture a guess on the outcome of taking j.w. vs. hyperdrol?
i really need to order some dermabolics e-form asap, so i just figure i'll order j.w. and/or hyperdrol and/or anagen or any combination of. i know it's highly unlikely anybody has tried both solo for any amount of time since it's so new but i figure i'll just ask here anyways in case by fluke anybody has any bright ideas.
i am leaning towards buying both j.w. & hyperdrol or j.w. only since hyperdrol has cissus which i am taking anyways. but then they claim their cissus is different. it's all so confusing.
06-28-2006, 08:45 PM
Outstanding log so far, have u noticed any anxiety while on JW, I was only on it for 8 days but had to stop due to job,kids,wife, ya know life gets in the way sometime, but I want to start again, not sure if it was indeed the JW but would like to know if this happened to anyone else, as far as being a newlywed and no extra money, throw kids in the mix, but it will all work out, interesting log good job bro.....
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