USPLabs Cissus/Symmetry log

[solarize]

Thanks to USPLabs for selection as an Australian Tester for Cissus MEGA DOSE and Symmetry. I received my four bottles a few days ago and have been megadosing ever since.

I suffered a back injury at work in February and have been in recovery ever since. As such I can no longer do deadlifts, and have some problems with squats, so I train around this. I am very interested to see what Cissus can do for me in this regard.

Supps while on Cissus :
Whey after workout
BCAA during workout
Multivitamin
Vitamin C

Training:
I will be doing a waterbury system detailed on t-nation
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=905832

I am starting Phase III of this program tonite (Everything is in metric, so X 2.2 for pounds):

A1 Hack Squat Machine(narrow stance) 40X6, 70X6, 70X6
A2 Bentover Rows (palms down grip) 50X8, 50X8, 60X6
B1 Dips - +20X7, +22.5X6, +25X6
B2 Lunges Dumbells - 17.5X6X3
C1 Seated Calf 40X6X3
C2 Incline Bench Press 60X8, 70X6, 65X6
Sets: 3
Reps: 6
Rest: 60s between pairings
Load: 8RM

It is Day 4 for me on Cissus, so far nothing to report except a few hot flushes.

Diet:
I dont count calories. I try and get 5-7 meals a day. I avoid processed foods and am somewhat lactose intolerant.
I eat between 4000-7000cals a day, I have a very fast metabolism.

Weight:
92kg (will double check tonite).

 

[solarize]

Day 5

Gym Today (Nothing to write home about, was rushed):
Seated Bicep Curls : 12.5X12, 15X10
Close grip pulldownsL 50X12, 70X12, 70X8
Standing Calf (feet straight) : 50X12X3
Leg ExtensionsL 40X12, 45X12, 50X12
Back Extension : 3X10

Cissus Megadose:
I would say I noticed a slight 'pump' effect, liltte more than usual, but thats only effect so far.

Note: I'll probably not post entire workouts from here-in, just if weight/reps increase etc. Gotta get up the guts to put some pics up

 

[motiv8erJR]

Looks good bro. Keep us up dated!!!

~Mk

 

[bearmeat]

Any possibility of before/after pics?

 

[solarize]

Day 7

Hit the gym very hard last night, working out with my partner (will be trying to workout together as much as possible over the next two weeks). It was Chest/Shoulder day. We are going to sit down and workout our training schedule tonite for next fortnight, hopefully the kind of program neither of us has done before.

Gym last night:
Flat Bench, Flat Flyes, Incline Hammer, Crossovers
Seated Shoulder Press, Delt Machine, Front Raises, Rear delt cable

Very large session. My shoulders aren't that strong, but I managed 22.5X8 which is a PB, so that was great, Damn they freakn hurt today, so Cissus aint doing a lot there, maybe it takes a few more days to kick in.

Current max's are (Metric here in aus, but will put to LB for you US guys)

Flat Bench : 220X6
Flat Flyes : 45X10
Front Raises: 28X8
Seated Shoulder : 50X8

Its interesting, my workout parnter is a ****load bigger than me, but on some exercises we are very equal (Flat Bench for instances), but he kills me on Legs/Shoulders/Biceps...

 

[TSB4me]

Hi solarize when you say mega dose how many caps are we talking about.Just asking as I'm using 8 caps of crissus ed.Helping with my injury recovery and getting very good pumps.Finding the pain killing effect helps.Also just ordered the crissus/powerfull combo(good price).

 

[JBlaze]

Hi solarize when you say mega dose how many caps are we talking about.Just asking as I'm using 8 caps of crissus ed.Helping with my injury recovery and getting very good pumps.Finding the pain killing effect helps.Also just ordered the crissus/powerfull combo(good price).

Those doing the megadose logs are using the following protocol:
Days 1-15: 12-15 cissus/day
Days 16-30: 12 cissus/day plus 6-9 symmetry/day

 

[TSB4me]

Thanks Blaze

 

[solarize]

Yeah thats the protocol I am following. My shoulder joint feels 100& this morning, normally it may have had a slight lingering effect.

My back pain (constant) is still with me however, and this is a combination of nerve/joint/muscle pain, so I can';t really expect cissus to do a whole lot with that.

Nothing else other than my g/f took my shirt off last night and was like "your looking good", which always makes you smile

 

[JBlaze]

Yeah thats the protocol I am following. My shoulder joint feels 100& this morning, normally it may have had a slight lingering effect.

My back pain (constant) is still with me however, and this is a combination of nerve/joint/muscle pain, so I can';t really expect cissus to do a whole lot with that.

Nothing else other than my g/f took my shirt off last night and was like "your looking good", which always makes you smile

Thats a great feeling, makes what we do worth it. Keep up the good work bro, I will be following your log.

 

[solarize]

Day 10

Bad News:
Well, my back freakn kills from running on the weekend, I got some physio for it today, so i am confident the pain should be gone by later in the week (I hope). Anyway, cissus might help here, I hope so.

Good News:
Shoulder pain I had from Fridays great workout is totally gone, and I am sure cissus has helped a bit here.

Gym tonite:
Dips : +25X6X4
Assisted Chins : 20X6, 15X6X4
DB Tricep Extensions: 15X6X2, 17.5X6, 17.5X6
Hammer Row : 70X8, 70X8, 90X6, 90X6
Standing Calf : 60X8, 70X6X4

Still cant do deadlifts and I skipped back extensions due to the back pain, Otherwise good workout.

Bodyweight is stable.

 

[Ziricote]

Hope the back pain dies down, I'm gonna be reading this log with interest.

 

[solarize]

Day 11

Gym Tonite (All metric):
A1 Flat Bench DB 22.5X12, 27.5X12, 30X12
A2 Upright Rows (smith) 10asideX12X3
B1 Hack Squat Machine 70X12X3
B2 DB Side Raises 7X12, 8X12, 8X12
C1 Seated Leg Extensions 50X12, 60X12, 65X12
C3 Bicep Hammer Machine 30X12, 40X10, 40X8

60seconds between exercise pairings.

Good workout. Took my partner through my workout routine, and he was pretty tired at the end, he's not used to doing 60sec pauses between exercises. I feel it helps the intensity alot.

Cissus:
Dosing at 12 caps (4/4/4). Nothing new to report.

 

[Gettinpumped]

Nice log. Im taking cissus at only 4 caps a day and after 12 days my shoulder pain is totally gone.

 

[solarize]

Day 12

Cardio : Morning run/walk for 30 minutes

Gym Tonite:
A1 Dips 27.5X6, 27.5X6, 27.5X5
A2 Close Grip Chins +15X6, +10X6, +10X6
B1 Seated Calf 40X10, 50X8, 50X8
B2 Back Extensions 3 X 10
C1 Db Tricep Extensions 17.5X6, 17.5X8, 17.5X6

60sec between pairings, 8RMX. Sometimes my joints can feel a bit sore after a morning run, they felt 'sore' today, but not as sore. Will try and get up for another run tomorrow morning, and see if any changes. Nothing else to report.

 

[solarize]

Day 13 - Rest

Back was KILLING me today, so no gym.

Woke this morning, feeling a bit better, hope to train tonite.

 

[TSB4me]

What's the reason with the running.Is it for cardio conditioning or something else?Just asking cause the running may be contributing to the back issues.Are you running on grass or roads?

 

[solarize]

Running for general fitness. My physio has advised no running for a while, so I think your right, it is contributing.

What's the reason with the running.Is it for cardio conditioning or something else?Just asking cause the running may be contributing to the back issues.Are you running on grass or roads?

 

[TSB4me]

I find that now i'm weighing close to 100kg that running is the last type of cardio for me.To hard on the joints and also chafe city.I stick to the rowing machine and exercycle.Eyes get a good workout aswell.....

 

[solarize]

Day 14

Back feeling a bit better today, not painful all day. Perhaps cissus is helping here, will be able to give a definate answer in a few days, if pain is gone, then Cissus is doing 'something'.

Gym:
A1 Supported Row 40X12X2, 40X10
A2 Seated Dip machine 80X12, 100X12, 120X10
B1 Seated Calf 40X12X3 (Feet angled in)
B2 Hammer Shoulder Press 25X12, 30X9, 30X7
C1 Incline Bench 70X10, 70X8, 70X6
C2 Db Shrugs 32.5X12X3

Cissus: Noticed increased vascularity. Burbs and stools can be a bit smelly at times. Sleep has been deeper, however, hard to say whether that is from all the training or Cissus, can give a better answer in a few days if sleep continues to be good.

Will be starting Symmetry X tommorrow as part of this stack.

 

[max silver]

What's the cause/nature of your back pain?

 

[solarize]

Back

Muscle strain from lifting at work.
There is some joint pain and some tendon/ligament damange, supposedly. I have had X-Rays, but they show nothing. Waiting on getting an MRI in the coming months.

 

[max silver]

Gotcha. I'm in a somewhat similar situation myself, although mine is a disk injury. I went to physiotherapy for a few months myself, and still don't feel 100% yet. Unfortunately I think physio was a bit of a waste for myself, as traction never provided any relief, and it seems the onus for healing comes from myself, both in performing necessary exercises/stretches, and avoiding negative stressors on the disk. How long have you been dealing with the injury?

 

[solarize]

Day 17

Dosage:
Cissus 12caps a day, Symmetry 4.

Last two days have been rest.

Gym Today:

A1 Front Squat or BB Hack Squat 40X12, 80X12X2
A2 Upright Rows Smith_ 20(side)X10X3
B1 Bicep Curl Rope Drop set 40kg/30/25/20/10
B2 Leg Curls 40X12, 60X12, 65X10
C1 Tricep Pressdown 45X12, 50X12, 60X10
C2 Barbell Curls (Hammer Machine) 20X12, 35X12, 40X8
Sets: 3
Reps: 12
Rest: 70s between each pairing
Load: 14RM

Back pain is just niggling me at the moment, but not keeping me up at night. I had over 200mg of valium over the weekend to get it to relax and get some sleep, and I think that has helped with healing, along with Cissus. I am back at work today (after long weekend), so we will see if all the sitting/standing I do has a negative effect. I am going to continue to avoid Squats/Deadlifts for the foreseable future.

Cissus/Symmetry Effects:
I can say with some degree of certainty that Cissus is helping with my joints. My shoulders feel very 'lose' for lack of a better word (or free), and are without pain. I'm 25, so don't really suffer any age related join issues yet, but heavy lifting on shoulders does give pain, and cissus is helping here.

I get joint mobilisation done by my physio on my back and considering my long history with back pain, (since Feb), I think cissus is helping. Not a lot, but a bit, and that for me is enough I don't really take pain killers unless i HAVE to, I'd much rather get well then mask the issue, and nsaid's are ****ty in my book, unless you really need them.

Had some great 'personal' time with my g/f over the weekend, and would say libido was up maybe 10%. Its no Diesel Test increase, but it was more than just normal horniness. I'll continue to megadose Cissus and run the Symmetry till it runs out. So far for me, Cissus is really only providing joint/muscle support and no anabolic effects that I can notice - thats fine, doesn't mean its a bad product. I have very high natural test anyway.

Bodweight : Stable 92.5.

 

[solarize]

Day 18

Gym:
Isolat Pulldown machine 80X10X3
Shoulder Press Smith 20X12, 50X8, 50X8, 50X7
45' Incline 120X10X3
Stand Calf Raises 50X12, 60X12, 70X8
Low row machine 50X12, 60X8, 60X8
DB Side Raise 8X10, 8x10, 8X8

Back still has some pain.... good workout, took some ephedrine pre to help get focused, helped a lot. Shoulders felt really good.

 

[solarize]

Day 19

I am still Mega Dosing Cissus at 12-15 a day. I am on day 3 of Symmetry at 4caps a day. Joints are feeling great. I still can't say I have noticed any extra anabolic efffects, besides a slight rise in libido. I have increased appetite also, very helpful as I am bulking. Still have back pain and getting physio.


Gym
A1 Dips +25X7, +30X6, +30X6
A2 Assisted Chins +20X7, +10X6, +10X6
B1 Seated Calf 60X6X3
B2 Flat Bench 100X8, 100X7, 100X6
C1 Lunges DB 17.5X8X3
C2 Bicep Curl 40X8, 40X8, 40X6

 

[solarize]

Day 21

Took rest day today, feeling like ****, like i got a virus or something, hope I feeel better soon. Will rest again tomorrow. Still taking Cissus/Symmetry and starting Scorch/Vaporize tomorrow also. Joints feel great, no anabolic effects to mention.

Gym (yesterday)
Seated Shoulder Hammer 30X10, 35X8, 35X6
Incline Flyes 12.5X10, 15X10, 15X8
Standing Calf 50X12, 60X10, 70X8
Bicep Pulldowns 60X10, 65X8, 70X8
Tricep Pressdown 60X10, 60X10, 65X8
Cable Curls 35X10, 45X12, 45X10
Barbell Shrugs 60X12, 80X10 (back hurt)

Weight stable : 92.5

 

[jjohn]

I am impatient to see if you feel something from symmetry

 

[solarize]

Day 23

Gym look liked this:
A1 BB Mill Pres 40X10, 50X8, 50X7, 50X7
A2 Front Squats 40X10, 50X10, 50X10, 50X10
B1 Isolat pulldown 80X10, 100X7, 100X7, 110X6
B2 Lying DB Triceps 17.5X6, 17.5X6, 17.5X6, 17.5X8
C1 Seated Row 80X8X4
C2 Ab holds 1minutes X 4

Noticed a slight increase in libido over what has previously been mentioned.. Since taking Symmetry my sleep hasn't been as good, however, there could be other factors at work here. The pump from the gym lasts longer than normal on Symmetry.. All to report so far.

 

[solarize]

Day 24

Symmetry has definately created increased pumps in the gym, and I am getting a 'little' stronger. Libido/bodyweight/b/f seem to be constant. My back pain is still there, so Cissus is really not helping at all with that. Shoulders feel good, so may be helping there. Considering some of my back pain is from my vertabrae i thought cissus would help..

Gym
A1 Incline Bench 60X12, 70X9, 70X9
A2 Close Grip Pulldowns 70X12, 80X8, 80X8
B1 Front DB Raise 10X12, 12.5X9, 12.5X9
B2 Seated Bicep Curl (incline) 15X10X3
C1 Shrugs 37.5X12X3

 

[solarize]

Day 25 - Rest

Rest day. Back/ankle is sore, had some Physio. Getting some again tomorrow afternoon, if it all goes well back at training.

 

[solarize]

Day 26 - Smashed it!

Had some Physio today, helped a lot. ankle / back still sore but healing.
Well, Symmetry must be making the difference because I tottally smashed it at gym today, AWESOME pumps and strength. Joints feel great. Symmetry/Cissus is definately working today. It seems it has just taken quite a long time for it to 'kick in' with me. Probably suited for a much longer cycle, starting at a lower dosage then ramping up, and running more Symmetry.

Gym:
Flat DB Bench : 25X10, 35X8, 37.5X8, 42.5X8 (PB!)
Hack squat machine: 40X10, 80X10, 80X10, 80X10
Seated row palms up : 80X10, 80X10, 80X8
Reverse Bicep curl: 22.5X10, 25X10, 25X10
Rotator Cuf : 5X10X3
One arm extension cable : 15X10, 20X10, 20X10

 

[solarize]

Day 27

Felt very tired today, however, still did my best at gym (scorch certainly helped in this regard). Bodyweight is up, which is excellent, been eating like a horse Joints are feeling good, DOMS is normal, strength is 'strong'.

Gym:
Dips : +25X6, +30X6, +30X6
Chins (assisted) : +25X10X2, +25X6
Standing Calf raises : 60X10, 70X10, 70X10
Bicep Curl hammer : 40X10X3 (best yet!)
45' Incline : 120X10X2, 160X10 (Still light because of Back)
20minutes in Sauna

Need some serious rest tonite me thinks

Bodyweight : 93.5 (Up 1 kilo)
Dosage : Cissus 15caps, Symmetry 6 caps, MAN Scorch 3 caps, MAN Vaporize 3-6 caps

 

[jjohn]

Nice! Very good log, and it's nice you keep it up to date. Keep up eating a lot, cleanest possible, train hard, and gains will come fast

 

[solarize]

Day 30

Took the weekend off. Didnt get a hell of a lot of sleep however and my workout on Monday suffered BIG TIMe from it. Hoping to fix that today with a better workout (will pop some eph pre as well to help).

Gym:
Hack Squats
Upright Row
Chest Press
DB SIde Raise

Still taking 15 Cissus and 6 Symmetry a day. The pumps have gone and my bodyweight has dropped to 92.5. Not sure whats going on, will check weight again in a few days and see whats up. Libido has dropped off also... this could be from lack of sleep however.

 

[jjohn]

Don't bother about the scale, but what the mirror tells you is pretty accurate

 

[solarize]

Day 31

ALmost out of Cissus, still fair bit of SYmmetry left, which is great. Strength was excellent today, pumps still not really there, but thats fine, I don't need 'pumps' to think a product is working. Libido is up slightly now. NOticed some increased Acne.

Gym:
A1 Hack squat machine 80X10, 120X5, 100X6, 100X6
A2 Bent over rows 60X6X4
B1 Seated Hammer Shoulder 35X8, 40X6, 45X6, 45X6 (PB!)
B2 Standing Calf 70X8, 75X8, 75X6, 70X8
C1 Incline BB Bench 80X6X4
C2 Seated Dip Machine 120X6, 120X7, 120X7, 120X6

 

[solarize]

Day 32

Libido is great, g/f felt the 'wrath' last night, and there was a certain level of extra stamina involved, so thats great. I think Symmetry is the culprit here.

Isolat Pulldown : 80X10, 100X6, 100X8, 100X10
DB Front Raise : 10X10, 12.5X10, 12.5X8
Flat Flyes : 20X4X10
Seated Bicep CUrl : 17.5X8, 17.5X7, 17.5X7
Ab Hold : 1 minute X 3

 

[jjohn]

Great. I cant wait to receive my Symmetry! Nice log. Keep it up!

 

[solarize]

Day 38 - Finish!

Apologies for not posting in the last few days. I have been on Business interstate (still am) and have had a chance. Let me wrap up.

The first two weeks, I didnt notice anything really. After that, I noticed some joint improvement. From about week three I started to notice some strength gains (slight) and a slight increase in bodyweight. Libido also increased.

However, Given the huge wraps Cissus/Symmetry have been given, I would have to say they really were not that effective for me, especially Cissus - atleast their 'anabolic' effects. I did notice some joint improvement - yes. However, very little anabolic effect. Thats not to say its a bad product, just it wasnt that great for me.

Thanks for USPLabs for selection as a tester, its been great. And to those out there that are looking to try this product, I'd say give it a shot. Definately a lot safer than SD/PP/Ergo etc, and I think Symmetry would be EXCELLENT to run for 60-90 days.