[trayhawk]

Ive been combining Body-Octane and Orotine pre-workout for the last two weeks or so. Hoey From MAN was really awesome in sending me some bottles to try out - I appreciate it greatly.



I typically do 1-2 30-45 strength training sessions and/or hiit/calistentics/boot camp type training 6-7 days a week.

I'm at 185 at 7-8 percent bodyfat(7-site method)

Currently taking
dhea/6-oxo/7-oxo transdermal

What I've noticed

I always respond well to citrulline malate - this product is no exception.
+Quicker recovery between sets - less heavy breathing or feeling worn down immediately following sets or intervals. Ive been able to reduce my rest in between significantly.
+Much greater endurance towards latter part of workouts.
+much less winded during bike ride cardio sessions
+better focus/concentration throughout day - gluconorlactone does reduce fatigue and increase memory I believe

The orotine
my strength - literally - is higher than it ever got to on any of the prohormones I tried over the last few months (including pheraplex, finigenx, prostanazol, cyclo 1-test, m5aa, ergomax, mTRN, mdien, mdht topical 4ad - not all at the same time mind you).

I would typically notice a drop off in strength 4-5 days post cycle therapy. Orotine actually makes me feel like I'm "on". I focus on 5 x 5 for my core movement - deadlifts, back or front squat, bench press, standing military press, and neutral grip chins - these have ALL continued to increase during post cycle therapy.

I know that body octane is not as geared towards strength enhancement and notice the endurance increase(as with cit-mal Ive used b4) so I don't attribute the strength to this.

DHEA/6-oxo/7-oxo I have also used before and do not notice as big of a strength drop off during post cycle therapy or I'm able to maintain my strength. However, In using it in the past I havent noticed a continued ability to increase weights on a pretty consisten basis to near PR marks. With Orotine Ive been able to do this. I've truly enjoyed the post cycle therapy period and its fun to not have to trade-off a shrunken nutsack for strength gains!


A bit about my current exercise motivations/habits/etc.
I am currently dieting for a july 29th bodybuilding show.

I respond very well to low carb-based diets centered around eggs, fish, chicken mucho veggies(cauliflower, onions, garlic, etc.), protein powder, flax seed meal and olive oil.

I do this for 6 days with a 1 day carb-up refeed.

Having recently finished a prolonged pro-hormone cycle of 5 months or so with various compounds, I am focused on maintaining strength and lean tissue during post cycle therapy. SO far so good. We'll keep you posted.

[trayhawk]

An update
Its been 3 1/2 weeks since I started the orotine/b.o. stack.

Beginning weights for core exercises

Military Press
beginning 157.5 x 5 sets of 5
end 170 x 5 sets of 5

Deadlifts
beginning 460 x 5 sets of 3 reps
end 475 x 5 sets of 3 reps

Bench Press
beginning 270 x 5 of 5 reps
end 285 x 5 of 5 reps

Neutral Grip Chins
beginning 45 x 5 sets of 5
end 60 x 5 sets of 5 = personal record

Front Squats
beginning 285 x 3
end 295 x 4 sets of 5, 1 set of 4

Everything else - supplementary exercises have moved up as well.

This is all occuring while dieting.
I started at 187.5 bodyweight
skinfold ab = 9, thigh = 10 chest = 6
Now Im at 185 ab = 7.5 thigh = 9 chest 4.5


This, again is coming during a loooong prohormone/pro-steroid whatever the hell you want to call them cycle. So to continue to increase in strength like this and have a BETTER recovery and workout capacity rate while on a reduced calorie sub 100 gram carb-diet is damn impressive
Workout capacity much improved as stated before. Very good product in my opinion and I would certainly spend my own money on it.