The Ecdysterone expirement..
04-26-2006 03:17 PM
The Ecdysterone expirement..
I thought I would do somewhat of a log here since the new Anagen product seems to have done so well.
I will (well,.. AM using):
Anagen: 4 caps daily
Sci-fit's EcdySterone 300 x 3 caps daily
Container Size: 300mg/60 Capsules
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving:
I decided to go with both products, to try and eliminate ANY chance of underdosing.
My intention was over a gram of ecdysterone, whicj, if I do the math right,...
leads to X amount of 20-ECDY.
I started this stack yesterday. I will try to keep my usual diet, but will include some more protein in the form of shakes, as ECDY is said to do well on a high protein diet (what doesn't do well on a high protein diet -anyways,..)
As of right now, adding any weight is pretty hard to do as I ca ntend to skate on the virge of maintenence pretty easily. Any supplement offering an anti-catabolic / anabolic or calorie sparing effect will yeild results for me.
So, I will note any effects on endurrence I expirence, any strength gains or anything else I think could be bennificial. But, I will mostly judge this supp (for me) on Lbs increase alone, as I am not tring to do any cutting, and "bulking" -to the best of my ability right now.
Other supplements include:
AMPED (ergopharm)- I workout in the evenings, andat that time I have already biked/walked 4+ miles that day,.. coffee maker broke last night so, I Need something to get me going
XTEND. Currently did a little MEGA dosing, cut it back recently, (finances are going towards more "hard to find" items" right now. I will still use 1 serving durring workout, 1 afterworkout with my protein/oat shake.
I may add some random supps in there, but nothing dramatic. I am also finishing the last 5 days or so of my X-factor (which I got nothing off of - whole other story)
Anyways,.. I will map out what I can, let you know.
Just wanted to lay the foundation down right now.
04-26-2006 03:36 PM
Sounds great dude..I'm kinda doing the samething now but I'm on pct with all the stuff..good luck and ill keep an eye out for updates.
04-26-2006 03:40 PM
Good luck man, Im running a log of anagen right now and its going well
Why did you not do well on Xfactor? Did you just not respond or was there something wrong with your cycle..? I haven't heard of a non responder yet
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04-26-2006 03:52 PM
I dont know why I didnt get anything out of it (unless the alledged "magic" happens in the next week)
I reallyu wish I had,.. something thats could be pretty anabolic and NOT hormonal. Hince THIS log.
So far, I havent "felt" anything from the Anagen/ECDY yet,.. but Im hoping something will come up within the first 14 days.
04-26-2006 04:00 PM
I actually FEEL my muscles getting bigger, which hasn't happened since I started using creatine over a year ago... granted Ive tried a LOT of things since then haha
Originally Posted by xtraflossy
Were you staying low on Omegas and keeping cals protein reeeeal high on Xfactor?
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04-26-2006 04:06 PM
So you guys on anagen how many bottles do you think to finish cycle?
04-26-2006 04:07 PM
I stopped my Omega supplementation. Like I said before, I followed the rules pretty much. NO, I DIDN'T KEEP call really high. If I wanted to (or could) do that, I wouldnt have tried the Xfactor. I ate more then usual the majority of the time though.
IMO - how can you really know if a supplement works or not if your going to increase your cals greatly? I mean,.. I could give you ground bat penis in tab form, tell you had to up your cals and you'd expirence gains.
I mean, while I know that even with supps you need to eat a surplus, I surely didnt go overboard like I could have. I pretty eat the same damn thing every day anyways- so its easy for me to know if Im eating more of it,.. and I did try. I didnt try the entire time, but I had my week long spurts where I went the extra distance. The other times, I ate above maintenence.
I dont want this to turn into a "Hate on X-factor" thred.
I was just dissapointed thats all
04-26-2006 04:10 PM
Ya I get what your saying... Every product has its non reponders, just sucks when you don't respond to things that other people are having success on.
This ECDY experiment should be sweet though Your getting some high doses of this stuff, so I don't see how you wont respond to this
Good luck bro
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04-26-2006 04:18 PM
Well, that would be the point!!! I figure, if it does work, (like has been sugested) then let it work!! I would hate to miss out because of under dosing. As usually, I dont have any expectations here, so if things go well its an added bounous.
-I can always resort back to one of the many "other" supps I have -for some reason- decided to stockpile, should I absolutely need to. (The reason I am looking and hoping this does work, is cause after a very short, debilitating TRN run that lasted a week, I decided I wouldnt do anything like that for a while, .... I hated having to make "excuses for myself" in bed... but my TGF (temporary girlfriend,.. long story/explination I guess) goes out for 6 months+ in a little while on duty, so I have plenty of time later to screw with my hormones.
-I really need to stay on topic here!
04-26-2006 09:29 PM
Good luck to you man. I'm pretty sure you'll have success with this ecdy, as a dose over 1 gram is definitely a formidable one. I also started a similar suppliment regimen last week with 1000mg Methoxy, 600mg Ecdy, and 600mg Ipriflavone per day. Mixin' it up a little lol. So anyway, I will surely check back on this in a couple days and see how its going for you. Again, good luck.
04-27-2006 08:46 AM
Alright, checked the scale yesterday...
I weighed in a 185.7 - 186 SO, taken at face value, thats at least a pound jump.
Now, I will flux between 183-184.5 on the avarage. But I havent increased my water intake any, (other then increases in fluids from the xtra protein shakes.).
Anywyas, I only worked bicepts yesterday, as my calves and chest/tri's were a little sore. I was pretty sluggish at the gym, despite that I took some Amped before.
I have never fluxed to 186 before, so there must be an increase in poundage. We will see what I weigh in tonight.
I slept like ass last night, .. freakn tooth ach, that I have been putting off for far too long now to go get the damn thing removed. Im going to call this morning and scheduale the exorcism of this evil for Friday. From what I have herd, Its an in and out proceedure. I have had it done before, when younger,.. but also had spacers put in prep work for bvraces,.. so my last memory of it is pretty painfull.
Hopefully though, I'll only be out of the gym for 1 day,.. but honestly, I know I could use the day off.
Nothing else to report, no increase in well being, no noticable stamina,... nothing. Just the weight increase.
I may be dropping some bodyfat though, too hard to tell right now.
Although Im sure the reading is wrong, my bodyfat was measured (electronicly , hand held device) at 12.9% or 13.9%, I cant remember (or dont want too )
I'll get a weigh in tonight and get measured also, just to have it on record.
04-27-2006 09:10 PM
u should stack it with methoxy isoflavone and ipraflavone, i had damn good results when stacking those with ecdy. 2-3 pounds a week for 4 weeks then i quit.. strength increases everyweek as well... i responded easily not sure of hte ecdy dosing but my methoxy wasnot to high around 300mg i think ... **** i did good with animal paks m stack tho thats 100mg a pop per all 3. goodluck tho bro
04-27-2006 09:14 PM
Just make sure to take it with high protein meals, that's very important
04-28-2006 10:34 AM
Bodyfat reading (Im sure its not right) 14.2%
But, even if its wrong, i can still gauge increases or decreases.
So, apparently, I put on another 0.5lbs!!
Last week I avaraged in at 184, and I dont look like I gained any fat. My last BF% reading was 13.8, but it takes heartrate into consideration for the reading, Im sure pre-workout stims will will mess with the readings.
So far, doosing 1.5grams+ seems to be doing something. I MAY add methoxy to the mix, if I can find a cheap source.
04-28-2006 10:44 AM
i know a really cheap source for it but since we areont aloud to post sources. maybe that is jsut for steroids.... i cant remember......However i know my favorite site is bulk nutrition
04-28-2006 01:43 PM
You can post board sponsor sources.
I'll give em a look,..see what I can find
04-28-2006 02:19 PM
How you liking it so far flossy?
04-28-2006 02:58 PM
Well, I dont get any hype out of either of the products. No noticable endurrence,..
Basicly, Its like I swallow a bunce of pills, and my number on the scale goes up.
Kinda cool though! -
How's your run comming along LMD?
04-28-2006 03:02 PM
I remember stacking all 3 about 6 years ago and not really noticing anything out of the normal. My strength was increasing steadily but I thought it was because I had everything in check. Well when the bottles finished, I didn't buy anymore and guess what? My strength started to decline. So, I'm not sure if it's something that you can feel outright but it definitely helps and you'll know it when you come off.
Originally Posted by lilman
04-28-2006 04:19 PM
Not going too bad at all, I will no more now that I am just passing week 2 of PCT because now the gains will truly show that they are coming from Anagen as opposed to me not gaining much since my test levels are so low.
I posted a thread called "Anagen Overview" in this forum though.
DO you think the gains you are currently making are worth what you paid for that stuff or what? Be honest too, just curious.
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