Doggz's Super Herbal Double Astroid Stack!
- 04-18-2006, 11:28 PM
Doggz's Super Herbal Double Astroid Stack!
Hello everyone. I wanted to get this thread up. I'd like to here comments and thoughts.
MAIN LOG STARTS PAGE 4/5
Starting May 15th, this is the stack i'm running. I'm posting this log for fun mostly, because not only will it be hard for me to tell which product is working or not, it's also very expensive. I hope it can be at least of entertainment value.
It is important to know that this log will start during my 3rd week of PCT. It is possible my start will be slower then it should be.
For me though, I see a lot of promising products on the market, and I want to see how well they work together. Each product has it's roll with only a few overlapping.
2 caps of Rebound XT
8 caps of ActivaTe
10 caps of Powerfull
10 caps of Symmetry
10 caps of Anagen
and my own herbal blend from BAC
800mg Avena Sativa
I might have went over the top, but it will be interesting none the less.
Dosing breakdown by time (UPDATED 5/19):
11 am BEFORE BREAKFAST
1/2 dose of Herbal blend
11:15 am With Breakfast
1 Rebound XT
12:30 pm Mid Morning meal (preworkout 1)
3:45 pm BEFORE midafternoon meal
4 pm Mid Afternoon meal
7:30 pm Before Preworkout2
1/2 dose of Herbal blend
7:45 pm Preworkout2
10 pm Post workout 2
1:45 am Pre Nightmeal
2 am Night Meal
1 Rebound XT
Also, I use Omegas Thunder/Evolution before each workout.
That's all for now. I'd love to get some feedback before I begin.
Last edited by doggzj; 05-22-2006 at 10:35 AM.
- 04-18-2006, 11:30 PM
I'm working out twice per day, but keeping sets around 16 per day. This lets my energy stay high for all my sets. My Weight hopefully is around 215, but I won't know until then obviously.
Last edited by doggzj; 04-22-2006 at 06:58 PM.
- 04-19-2006, 12:15 AM
04-19-2006, 03:41 PM
looks like a pretty solid stack!!! i would add 5 grams of creatine a day to it, and you should pretty much be set- also, take a dose of powerfull before bed- it will enhance endogenous gh stores and give you a deeper, more restful sleepOriginally Posted by doggzj
04-19-2006, 04:29 PM
04-19-2006, 04:30 PM
If it was possible to overkill in this sport, this would be it.
Keep in mind that it's not the herb, but the active compound within the herb. By stacking different herbs that have anabolic effects through the same active compounds, well, I don't quite understand the point. Why bother getting saponins from Trib, when you're already getting them from Powerfull. Why not just take more Powerfull or more Trib?
04-19-2006, 04:35 PM
Looks like he got the Trib/Avena in bulk and is using it to augment the stack. He's probably trying to save a little dough, plus homebrewing is fun
I think overkill would be more like a 52 week anadrol cycle, but hey you know what they say about opinionsIf it was possible to overkill in this sport, this would be it.
04-19-2006, 04:48 PM
I think overkill would be more like a 52 week anadrol cycle
That's not overkill, that's saying goodbye to your endocrine system.
I'm just saying that getting the same active compound from multiple sources is pointless. He should really look into that one; otherwise, he's just wasting $$$$
04-19-2006, 06:01 PM
I'm pretty sure there are alot of different compounds in the herbs. PowerFull is the one I know the least about, but it seemed to have decent feedback and showed ability to improve results with larger doses.
If the compounds in trib and powerfull are the exact same (which I'm not sure they are, they are different herbs), then I'm pretty sure that we don't know the ceiling of effectiveness for them. For all we know 40 powerfull a day is the maximum your body can use. I'm interested in doing this because we don't have a lot of studies on these products and I've never seen anyone use large doses of multiple products.
04-19-2006, 06:12 PM
Dude, I'm all over your log. Not only is this something I've been wanting to see, it looks like you have all the angles covered. Twice. I, for one, love that idea. I don't call it overkill, I call it a REAL MAN'S NHA STACK
EDIT: Please, please, please, DO provide starting strength measures as well as body measurements. Pics if at all possible. Before, and After. I'm sure this stack will do you incredible good. When you think about it, since less than 5% of your total test is active at any given time, upping SHBG can bring that up to... Theoretically 100% but let's say 50%... That's a ten-fold rise in testosterone. Don't tell me that's not close to an injectables cycle...
04-19-2006, 06:48 PM
BUMP to this whole post. Looks awesome man!!!Originally Posted by Grunt76
04-19-2006, 07:03 PM
I can do strength and all body measurements. For the time being I want to remain anonymous so I'd rather avoid pictures. For strength I plan on changing up my workouts, and I also do somewhat of TuT, so these might not be that indictive (because hey, obviously I'll gain strength doing something I haven't in months)Originally Posted by Grunt76
04-19-2006, 07:29 PM
LOL I doubt you'd see effects on that level! Not saying its impossible. In fact I sure do HOPE its possible with non-hormonal products. Something tells me that pesky HPTA is going to find a way to self-regulate though.EDIT: Please, please, please, DO provide starting strength measures as well as body measurements. Pics if at all possible. Before, and After. I'm sure this stack will do you incredible good. When you think about it, since less than 5% of your total test is active at any given time, upping SHBG can bring that up to... Theoretically 100% but let's say 50%... That's a ten-fold rise in testosterone. Don't tell me that's not close to an injectables cycle...
04-19-2006, 07:32 PM
I agree it should be suppressive. And yet, 50mg ATD is a pretty good countermeasure IMO. We'll just have to see huh? I'm not the only one who's a little excited at the potential of what you're doing, doggzj.Originally Posted by BigVrunga
04-19-2006, 07:58 PM
I ran a similar stack last month. w/o the anagen and Activate, and about half the dose of Symmetry and Powerful. It worked very well - even in a caloric defecit I gained a little strength while losing BF. I can only imagine Doggzj's results will be even better.Originally Posted by Grunt76
04-19-2006, 08:05 PM
You guys don't give enough credit too the lj/AS/Trib blend. If I had to use only a few of the products, this would definitaly be one of them I'd use
I'll see if I can't build my workout program later this evening to give a bigger overview.
edit: I'm going to see how my sternum heals, might be awhile before I know what type of workout split I'll be on
Last edited by doggzj; 04-20-2006 at 12:38 AM.
04-19-2006, 10:36 PM
04-22-2006, 07:44 PM
Damn, Doggzj, I don't know how I missed this one. VERY INTERESTING. Bump to Grunt and BV's comments. I'm looking forward to seeing how this will unfold.
04-23-2006, 11:21 AM
Definitly subscribed! great idea for a log! give us some detailed measurement updates throughout it! I would love to see how much change is actually noticed!
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04-23-2006, 09:21 PM
04-24-2006, 03:48 AM
You left out his own mix. He told me it'll be about 90Originally Posted by CHAPS
He's already bragging about his quality of hair/nails
04-24-2006, 09:40 PM
Stack = 48ishOriginally Posted by Beowulf
Vit C = 6
Multi = 2
Vit d = 1
Vit e = 2
Calcium/mag = 4
Liver Pro = 6
Thunder/Nitro = 32
Sesamin = 4
Fish oil = 8
More like 113 separate pills.
04-24-2006, 09:41 PM
But seriously since I started the Thunder/Nitro my nails are crazy perfect. You can see exactly when I started the combo.
04-24-2006, 10:17 PM
dude , how can you swallow that many pills down in one day, damn
04-24-2006, 11:29 PM
It's not like they get stuck in your throat. Just open up and swallow.Originally Posted by gogo
04-25-2006, 12:12 AM
Ever try and swallow a handfull of USP's gells? They are the only ones that ever get stuck for me and I can swallow handfulls. Couple of times I had one lodged untill it finally came back up half dissolved releasing it's foul tasting contents into my mouth unexpectedly. Makes people think your a bit strange when you start gagging in the middle of a conversation.Originally Posted by doggzj
04-25-2006, 01:40 AM
Originally Posted by bpmartyr
I go 4 at a time
04-25-2006, 04:16 PM
for some reason i have to swallow each pill on their own, at that rate it would take a long ass time to swallow all those lolOriginally Posted by doggzj
04-25-2006, 04:55 PM
...like:Originally Posted by gogo
-gogo you're late for work again!
-sorry boss, I had to take my supplements...
04-25-2006, 08:00 PM
Hahaha, ill just have to start crushing them all up and mixing them in with my protein shakes mmmmmmmm tastyOriginally Posted by Grunt76
04-26-2006, 11:19 PM
**** that i couldn't take that many pills, i normally take:
Animal Pak: 9-10 pills
Vitamin C: 2 pills
Celadrin: 6 pills
Coral Calcium: 3 pills
Nolvadex: 3 pills
Ultra Hotter: 3 pills
ZMA: 3 pills
Paxil: 2 pills
Ephedrine: 3-8 pills
So i'm up to 40, lol. Even that is a ****load of pills to swallow but i think the MOST i've ever done was around 60, no way i could 100+ though, .
04-27-2006, 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by CHAPS
Thats still alot, damn i must be a light weight , im currently taking 8 or 9 a day, heh
04-27-2006, 03:37 PM
113, sounds like Big Ron or something...
Good luck, I'm pretty intrigued by this...F--kin great idea!!!
How much is it all costing?
04-27-2006, 06:09 PM
alright fellas, Ill be running a similar stack. I just got a nice bonus at work, but instead of wasting in on stupid things like bills, I'm doing a monstrous stack. I'll start a log when all my products arrive. Im looking for an extremely clean bulk/recomp cycle. Heres what Im running
Excell: 5 servings mixed in one gallon of water
Green Bulge: 5 caps
White Blood: 3 caps
Symmetry: 12 caps
Powerfull: 12 caps
Cissus: 12 caps
USP Tribulus: 8 caps
Activate: 5 caps
Anagen: 6 caps
Rebound xt: 2 caps
REM R3G: 3 caps
Lean Xtreme: 4 caps
Sesamin: 4 caps
Lipoderm/Cap cream: 2 applications per day
PGH transdermal: 2 squirts per night
Im at about 226, 6'1 and bf around 14%.
I will be hitting all muscle groups twice with the exception of legs and chest which will be only once. Abs will be 4 times per week.
04-27-2006, 07:52 PM
Definitally open up your own log, this looks impressive. But, I'd recommend uping your cals a bit. I am 6'2 215 and I have been cutting on around as many cals as you have. I bet you lean out on this stack with upwards of 3500 cals.Originally Posted by ugab37
Personally, in my log I'll be running about 5000kcals per day, because...
Originally Posted by Bobo
04-27-2006, 07:55 PM
Way too much. The LongJack Extract was like $50 itself.Originally Posted by PumpingIron
04-28-2006, 08:06 PM
Just finished the long process of capping my herbal mix. Came out very well:
100mg LJ 100:1
per cap. 2 caps per dose.
200 caps and measuring took me 3 hours
05-11-2006, 09:54 PM
you still starting the 15th. cant wait to see this one
05-15-2006, 02:19 PM
I'm going to start probably on thursday. I just got back from the bahamas and I want to get my new workout set before I start. I'll hopefully start posting updates tomorrow.Originally Posted by ugab37
05-15-2006, 02:31 PM
Looks really solid man, really. I am interested.
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