ersatz's log of Scivation's Anagen

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  1. ersatz's log of Scivation's Anagen


    Age: 29

    Sex: M

    Height: 5'8"ish

    Weight: 161

    Bodytype: Ecto

    Training experience:

    Weight/strength training for the past decade. For the first 6 years I focused mostly on strength training while trying to maintain a weight of no more that 143 for competition. Most opponents at this weight were 5'6" or under so it gave me a decent height/reach advantage. But as I wanted to compete in mma/sport jiu-jitsu finding anyone in in these weight classes was difficult in these weight divisions. So I made the decision to compete at 155. Gained 20-35lbs in 3 years using a modified routine of IronAddicts.

    BJJ/mma training for past 8 years with some breaks inbetween.

    Training Schedule/Protocol:
    Lift twice per week. Workout consists of a fullbody circuit training for about 1hr 20mins. Always train with a partner who does the same routine so I perform the exercise say squats then he does then onto next exercise. Perhaps a 45 sec rest between exercises waiting for him to finish. Rep range is 13-15 reps. If you saw the All Access Rich Franklin program my workout is basically the same though my tempo differs. I move slower through the workout so I only average 7-9 sets for large muscle groups and 4 for smaller ones. Exercises are most compound movements which I could go into exact detail if necessary.
    Once every 10 days I throw in another workout going for 1 rep maxes for raw strength.
    Then 2-5 days per week of bjj class depending on schedule.


    Cardio Schedule/Protocol:
    30 mins everyday on treadmill with heartrate at 130-140bpm. Once or twice a week on treadmill heart rate at 190-200 bpm till failure, rest 5 misn or until 140-150bpms. Repeat this for 20 mins.

    Current supplements:
    500mg Fruit anti-ox blend from BAC
    200-300mg Idebenone
    600mg NAC
    1g Celadrin
    6g Omega 3 Fish oil
    1 a day multi, Eco-Green, Adam, or AST Pro 32x
    1000IUs SOD every 10 days
    1 or 2 caps AMP preworkout/lifting days
    Preworkout shake:
    3g GMS
    3g CEE
    1g Glucuronolactone
    Workout shake:
    3g Leucine
    2g Taurine
    10g EAA
    1.5 scoops WPI
    Postworkout shake:
    1 or 2 scoops WPI
    3g Taurine

    Current Diet:
    250g protein, 200g carbs, 75g fat. Diet needs improvement as I don't get enough calories. Diet is fairly clean with no processed/fast foods except on weekends as cheat.

    Short Term Goal: Hit 168-170 by June and maintain 7%bf

    Long Term Goal: 180 by end of year and 5-6%bf

    Prescription/Recreational drugs: None but open to offers


  2. I'm sure you know the details of this product so no need to post the product write-up here. But in case you don't, http://www.scivation.com/product_9.html

    Dosing for my bodyweight is 3-4 caps so I'll go with the latter of 4, since it coincides with the 4 major meals I eat daily. At this dosage it should last me 45 days which will be the duration of this log.

    Goals: I will primarily focus on lean bulking but seeing as I do a relatively high amount of cardio I will eat whatever I can to get enough calories down. Will shoot for 4000 cals or more.

    This product should increase endurance likely due to the rhodiola rosea. I've used rho before so I know to what extent it improves endurance. So I'll see if the ecdy has any greater effect as a result. It can be somewhat difficult to assess increases in endurance so I'll measure it by how long it takes for heart rate to reach a certain level.
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  3. Day 1

    Cardio workout for 30 mins on treadmill with heartrate at 130-140bpm range. I usually start of at 3mph for 3mins to warm-up before I bump it to 8 mph for 30mins while trying to keep heartrate at 130-140 bpm. Sometimes around the 20min mark I'll have to drop it to 6mph to stay within range. Today was such a day. Obviously no effect on endurance levels or for that matter anything else today but it's only the first day.

    It's quite hard to attribute any daily changes to a product as it could be an aberration or related to various compounding factors. As a result I still note any differences or effects but won't attribute them to the product. Instead I'll provide a weekly report to see if I notice any trends that would likely be attributed towards Anagen. I'll also refrain from reading other testers' logs of this product to avoid bias or any possible placebo effect.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ersatz
    I'll also refrain from reading other testers' logs of this product to avoid bias or any possible placebo effect.
    Nice, I look forward to your log

  5. Day 2 - April 11th

    Another cardio day same as yesterday. BJJ class today, 25 mins of technique instruction and then 20 mins of actual rolling. Again there's no discernable difference in performance as of yet.

    Dosed the 4 caps spread evenly throughout the day, about 4 hrs apart.
    Protein intake was 300g with about 460g of carbs and approx 130g fat.

    Tomorrow is an actual weight lifting day but I'm not expecting too much change.

    My lifting routine is far from the average bodybuilding routine for various reasons. Training a bodypart per workout or even certain groups is not feasible as it would interfere with bjj and muay thai (mt) classes. I find recovery is severely hampered when I lift and train during the same day. As a result I employ a complete body circuit training workout. Focus is on compound movements to minimize warm-up sets and cut down on training time. I prefer free weights but incorporate machines for convenience. Reps are kept within the 13-15 range and take about a min per set. Number of sets vary by muscle group and time constraints. Tomorrow's workout will illustrate a typical workout. This type of workout regime is supposed to focus on muscular endurance, which in my sport aids greatly in submissions both attack and defense.

    Another workout I employ every 10 days consists of 1-2 reps but still the same outline, total body circuit training workout. This focuses on strength and aids in explosive moves such as takedowns or sub escapes.

    I employed this lifting routine for the better part of 7 months and it's improved my mam game quite considerably. Previously I focused on traditional bodybuilding routines and programs like max-ot, doggcrap, or hst.


    My current goal is to bulk so I would probably be better off changing to a more traditional lifting routine but in my experience this causes my mma game to suffer hence my reluctance. Therefore I won't be changing my lifting routine but I may drop cardio down to 3 days/week.
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  6. Looking good man, best of luck to you!

  7. Day 3 - April 12th
    Thanks for the compliments, it adds a great deal of motivation. Today is an actual lifting day. No warm-up sets are performed but 5 mins of stretching followed by 5 mins of running at 5mph precedes lifting. This provides an adequate warm-up getting blood into the muscles.
    First set of exercises are performed in order listed and then repeated. Then the second set of exercises is performed. This allows major muscle groups to get twice as many sets as smaller groups. Weights for exercises remain static with a 13-15 rep goal for each set. With each rep I try to maintain a 2-0.5-2 sec tempo.

    Reps per set

    Flat bench press (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 13, 13
    Lat pulldowns (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 14 ,14, 14
    Seated Rows (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 14, 14, 14
    Deadlifts (200lbs) 15, 15, 14, 13, 13, 12
    Squats (230lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 12
    Calf Raises (230bs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
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    Overhead dumbbell press (50lb dumbbells) 15, 15, 15
    Barbell curls (80lbs) 15, 13, 13
    Cable tricep pushdowns (120lbs) 15, 15, 15

    45 total sets, 649 reps performed


    Can't say I noticed any difference, no strength or stamina increases. I've decided to cut down on cardio to aid in bulking. 3 days a week I'll run 20 mins with a heart rate(hr) at 130-140bpms.
    Once or twice a week I'll perform a HIT cardio routine. 5 mins at 5mph (hr 130-140bpms) warm-up. Then several intervals(5-6 sets) of 30-60secs at 12mph(hr 180bpm+) 30secs at 5mph. Then stop completely for 3-5 mins or until hr drops to under 130bpms. Repeat process 3 times.

  8. Day 4 - April 13th
    Not much to report, no DOMS, no increase in muscle fullness or hardness, no improvement in sleep, no bloat, no lethargy, etc.

    Did some cardio today, 20 mins at 130-140bpm and nothing out of the ordinary to report. I won't be able to post this weekend as I'll be at UFC 59 on Saturday and at relatives on Easter.

  9. Day 8 - April 17

    Up 2lbs in bw but I believe this is subq water weight. There is noticeably less definition in my shoulders and upper chest. I'm guessing it's from the few drinks and high sodium diet from the weekend, damn Easter ham.

    I skipped the Saturday workout but was considering doing it today but opted for the 1-2 rep max wo instead.

    Flat bench press (265lbs) 2 reps, 1 rep
    Seated Rows (250lbs) 2 sets of 2 reps
    Deadlifts (300lbs) 2 sets 1 rep
    Squats (330lbs) 2 sets 2 reps
    Calf Raises (330bs) 2 sets 2 reps
    Overhead barbell press (150lbs) 2 sets 1 rep
    Dumbbell curls (50lbs) 2reps, 1 rep
    Cable tricep pushdowns (160lbs) 2 sets of 2 reps

    Each exercise preceeded by 2 warm-up sets using 50% of weight for 5-6 reps. No noticeable changes so far.

  10. Day 10 - April 19

    Not much residual soreness from Monday's heavy workout, either today or yesterday.

    Did 20mins of cardio yesterday at the standard 130-140bpm. Then went to bbj class and practiced for 45mins. I noticed hte grappling top has tighter than normal around the sholders and I'm still up 2lbs. I still believe it to be mostly water as definition is still lacking.

    Today was a circuit training day but given that Monday was a heavy lifting day I decided to back down on workload, both with number of reps and sets. Workout went as follows.

    Flat bench press (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14
    Lat pulldowns (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 14 ,14
    Seated Rows (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 14, 14,
    Deadlifts (200lbs) 15, 14, 14, 13, 13,
    Squats (230lbs) 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Calf Raises (230bs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15,
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    Overhead dumbbell press (50lb dumbbells) 15, 15, 15
    Barbell curls (80lbs) 15, 13, 13
    Cable tricep pushdowns (120lbs) 15, 15, 14

    Starting to notice the effects of the rhodiola as it takes a bit longer to get heart rate up to 130bpm+. This aside I'm not noticing too much.

  11. Day 12 - April 21

    Down a little under 1lb and the definition in the delts is back to normal. High intensity cardio yesterday. A bit easier to sprint for 30secs and heart rate drops back down <140 in about 3-5% less time.

    BJJ class today, some pad work and sparring for 30mins. Grappling for 45mins. Stamina is improving slightly which I attribute to the rho+bacopa. I don't believe the ecdy adds anything additional so far as increases are on par with previous rho supplementation. Strength does seem to be increasing though as I can hold onto subs with the same intensity for greater periods. Tomorrow's workout should be a good barometer to guage strength increases.

  12. Day 13 - April 22

    Workout: Circuit training

    Flat bench press (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Lat pulldowns (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Seated Rows (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Deadlifts (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 14
    Squats (230lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Calf Raises (230bs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
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    Overhead dumbbell press (60lb dumbbells) 13, 13, 11
    Barbell curls (80lbs) 15, 13, 13
    Cable tricep pushdowns (130lbs) 15, 15, 14

    Motivation going into the workout was a bit low but once I got in there and was able to focus it went pretty smoothly. First two iterations were completely fairly effortlessly. Decided to increase poundages on shoulder press and tricep pushdowns but reduced deadlifts because of some tightness in lower back due to grappling. The strength increases that I noticed while grappling are carrying over to lifting. While rho does contribute to this effect it is quite evident that a significant amount is due to the ecdysterone.

    Weight and definition is the same as yesterday. Diet today was poor as I only mananged 220g protein missing a shake and essentially half a meal. Also forgot twice to take Anagen with a meal so I wound up taking it about 30mins after.

  13. this is a great log. I am also an mma fighter. I have been thinking greatly about switching to a work out routine like yours on friday i was grappling after a heavy chest day and I find it really does hamper my workouts. I also have to make sure not to do shoulders on muay thai day as they will be to sore to work the pads for extended hours.

  14. I had the same problems trying to incorporate traditional lifting programs with mma training. Too sore from lifting to train maximally or too sore from mma training to lift the next day. It lead to overtraining and a slew of other problems.

    After modifying my routine to the current one I've noticed a world of difference. Endurance has doubled and my game has vastly improved. I still think that I'm lifting a bit too much so I'm going to further modify my routine. The first week I'll do two high rep circuit training wo. The second week one high rep circuit training wo and the other a 1-2 rep max wo.

  15. Day 14 - April 23

    Two weeks in an I haven't noticed much of an anabolic effect. Ecdysterone was compared to d-bol in some studies but I don't see the correlation. I haven't experienced any signifcant gains in strength or weight. Endurance, both in terms of cardio and muscular have improved though. At this point it hasn't been an ideal bulking compound for me. I am avoiding reading other logs of this product so as not to be influenced by them. As a result I'm not sure if my results are atypical and perhaps an indication that I'm making some sort of error in training or diet. Everything so far is leading me to believe that this product would work better when cutting than bulking. I'll continue using this product for another 2 weeks and re-evalute my plans. At that point I will have another 2 weeks left, at which point I might save for a cut.

  16. I employ a complete body circuit training workout. Focus is on compound movements to minimize warm-up sets and cut down on training time. I prefer free weights but incorporate machines for convenience. Reps are kept within the 13-15 range and take about a min per set. Number of sets vary by muscle group and time constraints. Tomorrow's workout will illustrate a typical workout. This type of workout regime is supposed to focus on muscular endurance, which in my sport aids greatly in submissions both attack and defense.
    I noticed this right off the bat - IMO, you're trying to bulk but with more of an endurance type program, which kind of seems counterproductive if you ask me.
    It's like the folks taking Superdrol while cutting - they're not making the most out of the compound.
    Just my opinion after observing your log.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Y2Jversion1
    I noticed this right off the bat - IMO, you're trying to bulk but with more of an endurance type program, which kind of seems counterproductive if you ask me.
    It's like the folks taking Superdrol while cutting - they're not making the most out of the compound.
    Just my opinion after observing your log.

    HI I was wondering on your comment about superdrol since I have read the write up by anabolic extreme and it says that superdrol is modeled off masteron and is a cross between masteron and var which are bost usually cutting drugs why it wouldn't be the best for cutting?

  18. I'll add my 2 cents from what I see so far. Y2J, is right on the money. You mentioned in the very opening of your log you're cals are too low, then on top of that if you're doing cardio 2x's a week plus class, plus lifting like someone would for endurance, plus you say you're an ectomorph. You're not going to have any hopes of bulking up without eating more calories. BTW, no offense but at your weight for your bodysize it should merely be a matter of eating more. The anagen should only make things easier, although I do have a feeling that it's better for a cutter. Kind of like the more mild AAS ie. var or primo, BUT HEY THAT'S COOL!

    Anyway please try and take the semi-constructive criticism well and think about adressing those issues. BTW, how much of your protein comes from food vs. protein powder? Just asking.

    As for the SD comment I could have sworn it was a cross between masteron and anadrol. Either stack would put on some nice size. I just think that with the masteron/var stack it would take a little longer and you'd hold onto more of what you gained. Which having tried SD leads me to believe even moreso that it's like a splice of masteron and drol, or that's at least what it's compareable to. None of the bloat of drol due to that anti-e effects of the masteron and hard dry, vascular and dedending on the calorie surplus pretty large gains. ALthough the're not all as solid as the first combo, assuming you're not pushing your limits of what you can hold, pct is in place, ect. ect.

  19. Sorry for the bit of confusion in my diet. The one listed in the first post was the diet employed at that time. As previously stated, I intended to use this product on a bulk as it was compared to dbol. So the diet posted on day 2 is an accurate reflection of current intake.
    Daily intake protein ~300g, carbs 450-500g, fat 100-125g. This comes out to around 4000cals which in my experience is adequate for bulking. Only about 75g of protein is from shakes. Supps such as CEE, GMS, Taurine, etc aren't calculated into those figures AS I'm not sure what they fall into, carbs, protein, etc. They don't account for much anyways.


    As for the lifting regimen perhaps it needs to be modified further. It is endurance oriented but along with the 1-2 rep max workout it should provide enough of a stimulus for growth. I could employ a more traditional routine but past experience has shown it negatively impacts endurance levels and leads to over training.

    Maintaining endurance/cardio is the priority and it does come at the expense of lbm increases. I could gain a lot more weight but I'm just not willing to sacrifice my endurance. For me the latter is vastly more difficult to build up. The key is finding the happy median between muscle growth and maintaining endurance levels if at all feasible.

    I do appreciate all the comments as it gives me varying perspectives and a more objective view. I'm open to any further suggestions to modifiy my diet or training schedule.

  20. Day 16 - April 25

    Workout: Circuit training

    Flat bench press (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 14
    Lat pulldowns (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
    Seated Rows (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Deadlifts (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 14
    Squats (245lbs) 15, 15, 14, 14, 13, 11
    Calf Raises (245lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
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    Overhead dumbbell press (60lb dumbbells) 13, 12, 12
    Barbell curls (80lbs) 15, 13, 13
    Cable tricep pushdowns (130lbs) 15, 15, 14

    Strength and endurance seem to be improving in comparison to last week, mildly but noticeably. As you can see I increzsed the weight on some lifts and those I didn't I was able to increase reps on the latter sets.

    Previous day consisted of high intensity cardio workout in morning and mma class at night.

  21. Nice bro, btw it's barely been 2 weeks plenty of time before I'd imagine seeing tangible results. Keep it up :-)

  22. Day 18 - April 27

    Decided to throw in another circuit training workout and use a 1-2 rep max on Sunday.

    Workout: Circuit training

    Flat bench press (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Lat pulldowns (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
    Seated Rows (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Deadlifts (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 14, 14, 14
    Squats (245lbs) 15, 14, 14, 13, 13, 11
    Calf Raises (245lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
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    Overhead dumbbell press (60lb dumbbells) 13, 13, 12
    Barbell curls (80lbs) 14, 14, 13
    Cable tricep pushdowns (130lbs) 15, 15, 14

    Wasn't very motivated and had a difficult time focusing so I just had to push through. Dropped the reps on most sets and employed a faster tempo.

    Still not noticing much, no changes in temperment, mood, libido, etc. Weight is up another pound though.

  23. hey how is the training going? just wanted to let you know I changed my work out also but I am still trying to incorpate mass building also so what I am doing is going high rep lower weight on all smaller muscle groups and only heavy mass building exercises on chest and back on shoulders arms etc i am doing 15-20 rep with lower weights. My bulking was putting me into to high of a weight class for my height

  24. I can still bulk on high rep circuit training workouts but to a lesser gegree than the more traditional lower rep heavier weight wokrouts. Everyone is different but for me I use high rep circuit base training and throw in a 1-2 rep max for strength every now and then. You could probably do the same and keep weight fairly constant while increasing muscular strength and endurance.

  25. Day 20 - April 30

    Cardio continues to improve at a steady pace. Strength does seem to be improving as evident by today's 1-2 rep max workout.

    Flat bench press 1st and 2nd (265lbs) 2 reps with moderate ease, 3rd set 280 1 rep but struggled quite a bit.

    Seated Rows (270lbs) 2 sets of 2 reps
    Deadlifts (300lbs) 2 sets 1 rep
    Squats (330lbs) 2 sets 2 reps
    Calf Raises (330bs) 2 sets 2 reps
    Overhead barbell press (150lbs) 2 sets 2 reps
    Dumbbell curls (60lbs) 3 sets of 1 rep
    Cable tricep pushdowns (180lbs) 2 sets of 1 rep

    Again all exercises proceeded by 2 warm-up sets of 6 reps consisting of half the weight. Mood was elevated after watching the Lakers v. Suns which helped in the gym. I am quite impressed with the strength increases but not sure if I can attribute it solely to Anagen. I usually detest these types of workouts but my mood today was high and had some bearing on the outcome. Will take weight tomorrow or possibly Tuesday. My definition appears to be holding still but unsure of weight as some people say I look a bit fuller.

  26. Day 22 - May 2

    Weight 164.5

    Mild soreness from Sunday's wo, yesterday. Enough to remind me, but not enough to hinder cardio or mma training. Considered lifting today but decided to hold off until tomorrow to allow for fully recovery.

  27. Day 24 - May 4

    Yesterday's Workout: Circuit training

    Flat bench press (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 14, 14, 14
    Lat pulldowns (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
    Seated Rows (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Deadlifts (185lbs) 15, 15, 14, 14, 14, 14
    Squats (245lbs) 15, 14, 14, 13, 13, 12
    Calf Raises (245lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
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    Overhead dumbbell press (60lb dumbbells) 15, 12, 12
    Barbell curls (80lbs) 14, 13, 13
    Cable tricep pushdowns (130lbs) 15, 14, 14

    Reps were down a bit but really not an indication of anything. Tomorrow's workout will hopefully prove it was just a minor aberration. Weight is still a steady 164.5 with no changes in bf.

  28. Day 25 - May 5

    Workout: Circuit training

    Flat bench press (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 14, 14
    Lat pulldowns (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
    Seated Rows (170lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 14
    Deadlifts (185lbs) 15, 15, 15, 14, 14, 14
    Squats (245lbs) 15, 15, 14, 13, 13, 12
    Calf Raises (245lbs) 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
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    Overhead dumbbell press (60lb dumbbells) 14, 14, 13
    Barbell curls (80lbs) 14, 14, 13
    Cable tricep pushdowns (130lbs) 15, 15, 14

    Reps were up slightly from previous workout but no changes in weight used. Took two caps of AMP pre-workout which really helped me get through. While reps weren't increased significantly the effort with which it takes to complete them is reduced. Hard to attribute it solely to AMP or Anagen or any other factor. Likely a combination of them all but since the starting Anagen that has been a prevalent trend just not as noticeable as it was today. Also Anagen greatly improves endurance as evident in my mma training. I notice strength is maintained quite a bit longer. Easier to stay in clinch or apply subs for longer periods of time.

    I plan on running this for 30 days instead of the inital 45. I will save the 15 remaining days for a cut as I believe that's where this product will have the greatest benefit. If anyone from Scivation would rather have me run it the full 45 days though, I will comply.

  29. Great log so far...have you checked out sublimes?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid?
    Great log so far...have you checked out sublimes?
    Thanks, I actually made it a point not to read others' logs so as to avoid a potent placebo effect. Though I eagerly wish to read the other reviews of this product I will refrain from doing such until completion of this log.
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