ALRI Methoxy-TRN log

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  1. I just don't see how 4.5mg. of oral active each day is going to surpass or even come close to 20X that dose injected.

    If it WAS possibly that potent, we're talking horribly toxic, aka methyl-tren.


  2. sorry if you said it already but what PCT are you using for this cycle,
    same to you ryansm for your planned cycle.
    thanks
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Siznoyton
    I just don't see how 4.5mg. of oral active each day is going to surpass or even come close to 20X that dose injected.

    If it WAS possibly that potent, we're talking horribly toxic, aka methyl-tren.
    Ive never understood that either, like how such a small amount of M1-T can give impressive gains compared to injectible test at much higher doses.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Siznoyton
    I just don't see how 4.5mg. of oral active each day is going to surpass or even come close to 20X that dose injected.

    If it WAS possibly that potent, we're talking horribly toxic, aka methyl-tren.
    Just think about how anabolic 50mcg of IGF-1 can be form some people in 20 or 25 days.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by KD1
    Ive never understood that either, like how such a small amount of M1-T can give impressive gains compared to injectible test at much higher doses.
    Exactly, I mean you can take 10 mgs of M1t and gain about 10 lbs from it keeping 6-8. Now at the least people are using 500mgs of test a week. Some people using upwords of a gram of test. Now thats like 1/10 of what people use for injectible test. So you cant really compare it. M1t is toxic and harsh but if the proper PCT is done with live protectants and so forth you wont die from it.
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  6. Day 4 on M-TRN

    Let me address some of the comments made since my last post. First of all, I am NOT a bodybuilder and I do not waste my time by following a bodybuilder's diet. I'd much rather put my energy into my workouts/exercise science research and other activities. The only things I adhere strictly to is my protein intake of 250g+ per day and essential fatty acid intake. It makes no difference to me if I get my protein from casein, egg powder, milk, chicken, steak, etc. The only supplements I use are casein/egg based protein drinks/pudding. I feel these are just as effective as any other source of pro. I usually eat 2 solid meals high in protein per day, usually I make a large amount of healthy stir fry with chicken and lean beef and brown rice on the weekend and eat it for lunch during the week. I wasn't able to do that last weekend due to some other obligations so I have to go with something else, hence the subway. I didn't even finish the rest of yesterday's diet before being attacked. For dinner I had 3 chicken breasts, 3 medium sized sweet potatoes, and a large amount of steamed broccoli. Then I had 8 oz of cottage cheese and a banana with 2 tbsp flax oil before bed. If you don't like what I am eating, don't read the thread. Bottom line, I am looking for results in strength and don't want to get too much over 220lbs as I am planning on competing in a push-pull meet in January. I don't care what my measurements are (i don't even own a tape let alone a digital camera) or what I look like. My FIRST post on this thread expresses my goals and bodybuilding isn't one of them--I powerlift. If you are interested in a bodybuilder's log-- again, don't bother reading. Next time I won't even address anything that is a critique of my diet. I'm too busy to eat 25 pre cooked meals consisting of chicken breast, salad, etc. I have a full time job, train 3 individuals, go to school, and lift as well as read/post here. I did eat very strictly and consumed zero protein powder for about 6 months but felt no benefits over how I eat now. In fact, I feel better/stronger since adding all the protein supps so I am not changing what works. Thanks.

    Last night got 8 hours of sleep. Felt great today, energy was good as normal.

    Workout ME Squat/DL
    Decided to do assistance work only since I went heavy on my last DE squat/dl day:

    No rest between each pair of exercises then rested 1 min and repeated the sequences.

    A1) Straight leg deadlifts 315x3x6
    A2) Full-contact twists w/grappler 75x3x8

    B1) Reverse Hypers 320x4x12
    B2) Barbell Reverse Lunges 185x8, 205x8, 225x10

    C1)Glute Ham Gastroc Raise light band x3x10
    C2) Straight leg situps on GHR bench 35lbs x3x12

    D1) 4 way neck 25lbs for 20 reps each way for 2 sets
    D2) Pullups BW (220 today) x15, 13 reps

    Workout time about 40-45 minutes.

    The TRN is definately kicking in. My endurance was very good, much better than usual especially after 8 hours of building/standing walls (which was also easier than normal, didn't get winded at all).

    Strength seems to be getting better, I am starting to feel "on".

    Mood unchanged.

    The most notable side-effect is the increased pump. My lower back was stiff and felt like exploding all day from bending over to shoot walls together. Then was even more pronounced after the first set of stiff legs. This is not a good thing. SD did the same to me and I hated it. So I am going to take some taurine and increase my magnesium/potassium intake (I use a cheap supp called Tri-salts along with ZMA). I don't look like I am holding any water, though, my face is still defined as is my abdomen, and the face/abs are the first to puff up when I experience h20 retention.

    Weight is up to 220 from original 218. Oh and I am 5'11 for the poster who asked.

    Next update should be on saturday after my DE Bench press workout. I plan on just posting my workouts, weight changes, and basic observations specific to the TRN.

    Peace.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT
    Exactly, I mean you can take 10 mgs of M1t and gain about 10 lbs from it keeping 6-8. Now at the least people are using 500mgs of test a week. Some people using upwords of a gram of test. Now thats like 1/10 of what people use for injectible test. So you cant really compare it. M1t is toxic and harsh but if the proper PCT is done with live protectants and so forth you wont die from it.
    Test is superior to M1T in every way, however. The biggest one is you don't have to take a million supps to prevent yourself from dying.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    Just think about how anabolic 50mcg of IGF-1 can be form some people in 20 or 25 days.
    Sure, but a peptide is has an entirely different mode of action from a PR-binding steroid; that is IGF-1 being one of the things a steroid may modulate, but steroids, and particularly methyls, and particularly methyl-tren, act in many other ways.

    In other words, using injectable IGF-1 as a baseline for determining effective dosage is akin to snorting a gram of coke, b/c that's how much pot you smoke to get high.

    I'm saying the baseline is Trenbolone, and we have a ton of info on the amount needed, and this is injectable. We also know that methyl-tren is incredibly potent in small amounts. And we know that these all bind to the PR very tightly, and at least with Methyl-Tren, might not bind to the AR at all. So I'm arguing from "knowns" and extrapolating in a logical direction.

    That direction is that I'd be very surprised if this product met any of the marketing hype claims!

  9. Glad to see the TRN is having some effect. Keep up the hard work!

  10. One guy using, 10 guys analyzing, and 50 people watching. This is going to turn into quite an observational and educational thread. Cant wait to see how this looks in a week.

  11. wasn't trying to attack you, i just thought powerlifters took in alot more calories than bodybuilders...

  12. What do you mean by DE when you mention your workout?
  13. Unbreakable
    David Dunn's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    Quote Originally Posted by screwbol

    I'll try to answer any other questions posed here. One last thought-- instead of just posting 'subscribe", why not ask a question for me or provide a comment pertaining to the TRN. Food for thought.
    Or use the thread tool that allows you to "subscribe" without cluttering the log.
    I cleaned up a whole lot of this mess. Subscribe via board options. If you have a contribution, share it. You can observe without posting. It's OK...really. Just trying to keep those who truely subscribe with board options from having to field ump-teen e-mail notifications of new post that states..."subscribed".

  14. Quote Originally Posted by screwbol
    Day 4 on M-TRN

    Let me address some of the comments made since my last post. First of all, I am NOT a bodybuilder and I do not waste my time by following a bodybuilder's diet. I'd much rather put my energy into my workouts/exercise science research and other activities. The only things I adhere strictly to is my protein intake of 250g+ per day and essential fatty acid intake. It makes no difference to me if I get my protein from casein, egg powder, milk, chicken, steak, etc. The only supplements I use are casein/egg based protein drinks/pudding. I feel these are just as effective as any other source of pro. I usually eat 2 solid meals high in protein per day, usually I make a large amount of healthy stir fry with chicken and lean beef and brown rice on the weekend and eat it for lunch during the week. I wasn't able to do that last weekend due to some other obligations so I have to go with something else, hence the subway. I didn't even finish the rest of yesterday's diet before being attacked. For dinner I had 3 chicken breasts, 3 medium sized sweet potatoes, and a large amount of steamed broccoli. Then I had 8 oz of cottage cheese and a banana with 2 tbsp flax oil before bed. If you don't like what I am eating, don't read the thread. Bottom line, I am looking for results in strength and don't want to get too much over 220lbs as I am planning on competing in a push-pull meet in January. I don't care what my measurements are (i don't even own a tape let alone a digital camera) or what I look like. My FIRST post on this thread expresses my goals and bodybuilding isn't one of them--I powerlift. If you are interested in a bodybuilder's log-- again, don't bother reading. Next time I won't even address anything that is a critique of my diet. I'm too busy to eat 25 pre cooked meals consisting of chicken breast, salad, etc. I have a full time job, train 3 individuals, go to school, and lift as well as read/post here. I did eat very strictly and consumed zero protein powder for about 6 months but felt no benefits over how I eat now. In fact, I feel better/stronger since adding all the protein supps so I am not changing what works. Thanks.
    I'm not sure who the **** you are commenting to, but since I was the one who asked about your diet I would assume it is me. You need to chill out. You specifically asked for comments, and I gave them, I also happen to be a weightlifter, not a bb'er, and the suggestions I made still apply to strength athletes regardless what you think. I also train ppl and work with elite athletes, and I still get my meals in. Whatever works for you fine, but don't jump down someones throat for posting their observations. I say we leave it at that before someone gets butthurt.


  15. Ryan - when are you planning on starting?

  16. When do you want me to?


  17. DE=dynamic effort (westside)

  18. I got mine today, I want to coordinate with the hoildays however. May not get to it until 06!

  19. I'd prefer now. So, I might have a fighting chance of ordering depending on your results.

    But, it's up to you as to when you are comfortable and ready.

  20. I will start in the morning.


  21. sweet, are you going to keep a log? or just add to this one? or not at all?

    i just want to be able to bash your diet....lol J/K

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Siznoyton
    Test is superior to M1T in every way, however. The biggest one is you don't have to take a million supps to prevent yourself from dying.
    Yes id have to agree as i never really enjoyed M1T. But the point i was making was if it indeed is toxic , i doubt that anyone has died from M1T itself and there liver giving out, granted they took care of it in PCT and what have you. I doubt this could be so much worse that it would.

    Just my 0.2 cents back to the thread.
  23. Unbreakable
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT
    i doubt that anyone has died from M1T itself and there liver giving out, granted they took care of it in PCT and what have you.
    Some issues with liver hepatoxicity (or resultant damage) may take many years to manifest itself. So to suggest that they did not die, right there on the spot, does not exclude that the potential for issues later in life may exist. JMO
    Last edited by David Dunn; 11-04-2005 at 01:14 AM.

  24. regarding your diet, do you do any sort of specific pre and pwo nutrition? i think if you implemented something in this department (Whey and oats is great imo) you could see some increases in results

  25. Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Some issues with liver hepatoxicity (or resultant damage) may take many years to manifest itself. So to suggest that they did not die, right there on the spot, does not exclude that the potential for issues later in life may exist. JMO

    Oh i agree with you bro most definately. I was just sayin that some people act because it may be toxic that one usage of this compound or even halodrol-50 for that matter. A 4 week cycle could screw them for life, now i could see if they ran it at an improper dose, no NAC or Milk Thistle or Ala or anything of that sorts then yes maybe, but i beleive if you take the recommended dose, and take ur precautions , 1 cycle wont kill you.
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