ALRI Methoxy-TRN log

[Mr.50]

Its too bad that by the time we probably find out all the important info about this one it will probably be gone.

Mr.50

[quigs]

[QUOTE=ryansm][quote=screwbol]

I'll try to answer any other questions posed here. One last thought-- instead of just posting 'subscribe", why not ask a question for me or provide a comment pertaining to the TRN. Food for thought.

Or use the thread tool that allows you to "subscribe" without cluttering the log.

By the way I have a bottle on its way (I got it free) and I will be running it as soon as I get it. Follow up blood tests, and the like will follow.

Good news! you plan to run it solo right?

[Sky9]

I am interested in the bloodwork values and results as well. It may not take a lot of food with this one. Suppression may or may not be a big concern.

If it is trenebolone (no ester attached) with a methoxy addition for increased bioavailability through oral administration, one may think that it acts similar to tren, maybe.

Here is a excerpt from Big Cat's Tren description (dont take it for the bible, but its info to consider)

"The mechanism by which trenbolone mediates skeletal muscle hypertrophy is diversified and not very well understood. On the one hand trenbolone is a very active agonist of the androgen receptor, as illustrated by its increasing strength and aggression at the level it does. While this is a large contributor there is evidence that it mediates muscle growth by another pathway entirely2,3, namely the increasing of satellite cell sensitivity to an increase in IGF-1 (Insulin-Like growth factor 1) and FGF (Fibroblast growth factor). This would result in a much, much greater nutrient uptake and protein synthesis and explain why trenbolone is so much more potent in building lean muscle than other non-aromatizing, AR-mediated steroids like drostanolone and mesterolone."

Seems to me like this stuff should provide quality gains with no bloat, increased strength, but may kill sex drive, just my prediction, I am just guessing here. I also dont think its going mimic the potency of pinned tren. Seems to me like it could be used very effectively for cutting as well due to trens fat burning properties. One thing is probably certain though, your not going to get the Tren cough from the acetate molecule.

[stinkfist]

[quote=ryansm][quote=screwbol]

I'll try to answer any other questions posed here. One last thought-- instead of just posting 'subscribe", why not ask a question for me or provide a comment pertaining to the TRN. Food for thought.

Or use the thread tool that allows you to "subscribe" without cluttering the log.

By the way I have a bottle on its way (I got it free) and I will be running it as soon as I get it. Follow up blood tests, and the like will follow.

Definately let us know when you start as I will be most interested to follow your log as well.

[Grunt76]

Sky9, then this stuff might be pretty incredible along with IGF-1. THAT will be interesting to see.

[Siznoyton]

I just don't see how 4.5mg. of oral active each day is going to surpass or even come close to 20X that dose injected.

If it WAS possibly that potent, we're talking horribly toxic, aka methyl-tren.

[killuminati04]

sorry if you said it already but what PCT are you using for this cycle,
same to you ryansm for your planned cycle.
thanks

[KD1]

I just don't see how 4.5mg. of oral active each day is going to surpass or even come close to 20X that dose injected.

If it WAS possibly that potent, we're talking horribly toxic, aka methyl-tren.

Ive never understood that either, like how such a small amount of M1-T can give impressive gains compared to injectible test at much higher doses.

[Beowulf]

I just don't see how 4.5mg. of oral active each day is going to surpass or even come close to 20X that dose injected.

If it WAS possibly that potent, we're talking horribly toxic, aka methyl-tren.

Just think about how anabolic 50mcg of IGF-1 can be form some people in 20 or 25 days.

[3clipseGT]

Ive never understood that either, like how such a small amount of M1-T can give impressive gains compared to injectible test at much higher doses.

Exactly, I mean you can take 10 mgs of M1t and gain about 10 lbs from it keeping 6-8. Now at the least people are using 500mgs of test a week. Some people using upwords of a gram of test. Now thats like 1/10 of what people use for injectible test. So you cant really compare it. M1t is toxic and harsh but if the proper PCT is done with live protectants and so forth you wont die from it.

[screwbol]

Day 4 on M-TRN

Let me address some of the comments made since my last post. First of all, I am NOT a bodybuilder and I do not waste my time by following a bodybuilder's diet. I'd much rather put my energy into my workouts/exercise science research and other activities. The only things I adhere strictly to is my protein intake of 250g+ per day and essential fatty acid intake. It makes no difference to me if I get my protein from casein, egg powder, milk, chicken, steak, etc. The only supplements I use are casein/egg based protein drinks/pudding. I feel these are just as effective as any other source of pro. I usually eat 2 solid meals high in protein per day, usually I make a large amount of healthy stir fry with chicken and lean beef and brown rice on the weekend and eat it for lunch during the week. I wasn't able to do that last weekend due to some other obligations so I have to go with something else, hence the subway. I didn't even finish the rest of yesterday's diet before being attacked. For dinner I had 3 chicken breasts, 3 medium sized sweet potatoes, and a large amount of steamed broccoli. Then I had 8 oz of cottage cheese and a banana with 2 tbsp flax oil before bed. If you don't like what I am eating, don't read the thread. Bottom line, I am looking for results in strength and don't want to get too much over 220lbs as I am planning on competing in a push-pull meet in January. I don't care what my measurements are (i don't even own a tape let alone a digital camera) or what I look like. My FIRST post on this thread expresses my goals and bodybuilding isn't one of them--I powerlift. If you are interested in a bodybuilder's log-- again, don't bother reading. Next time I won't even address anything that is a critique of my diet. I'm too busy to eat 25 pre cooked meals consisting of chicken breast, salad, etc. I have a full time job, train 3 individuals, go to school, and lift as well as read/post here. I did eat very strictly and consumed zero protein powder for about 6 months but felt no benefits over how I eat now. In fact, I feel better/stronger since adding all the protein supps so I am not changing what works. Thanks.

Last night got 8 hours of sleep. Felt great today, energy was good as normal.

Workout ME Squat/DL
Decided to do assistance work only since I went heavy on my last DE squat/dl day:

No rest between each pair of exercises then rested 1 min and repeated the sequences.

A1) Straight leg deadlifts 315x3x6
A2) Full-contact twists w/grappler 75x3x8

B1) Reverse Hypers 320x4x12
B2) Barbell Reverse Lunges 185x8, 205x8, 225x10

C1)Glute Ham Gastroc Raise light band x3x10
C2) Straight leg situps on GHR bench 35lbs x3x12

D1) 4 way neck 25lbs for 20 reps each way for 2 sets
D2) Pullups BW (220 today) x15, 13 reps

Workout time about 40-45 minutes.

The TRN is definately kicking in. My endurance was very good, much better than usual especially after 8 hours of building/standing walls (which was also easier than normal, didn't get winded at all).

Strength seems to be getting better, I am starting to feel "on".

Mood unchanged.

The most notable side-effect is the increased pump. My lower back was stiff and felt like exploding all day from bending over to shoot walls together. Then was even more pronounced after the first set of stiff legs. This is not a good thing. SD did the same to me and I hated it. So I am going to take some taurine and increase my magnesium/potassium intake (I use a cheap supp called Tri-salts along with ZMA). I don't look like I am holding any water, though, my face is still defined as is my abdomen, and the face/abs are the first to puff up when I experience h20 retention.

Weight is up to 220 from original 218. Oh and I am 5'11 for the poster who asked.

Next update should be on saturday after my DE Bench press workout. I plan on just posting my workouts, weight changes, and basic observations specific to the TRN.

Peace.

[Siznoyton]

Exactly, I mean you can take 10 mgs of M1t and gain about 10 lbs from it keeping 6-8. Now at the least people are using 500mgs of test a week. Some people using upwords of a gram of test. Now thats like 1/10 of what people use for injectible test. So you cant really compare it. M1t is toxic and harsh but if the proper PCT is done with live protectants and so forth you wont die from it.

Test is superior to M1T in every way, however. The biggest one is you don't have to take a million supps to prevent yourself from dying.

[Siznoyton]

Just think about how anabolic 50mcg of IGF-1 can be form some people in 20 or 25 days.

Sure, but a peptide is has an entirely different mode of action from a PR-binding steroid; that is IGF-1 being one of the things a steroid may modulate, but steroids, and particularly methyls, and particularly methyl-tren, act in many other ways.

In other words, using injectable IGF-1 as a baseline for determining effective dosage is akin to snorting a gram of coke, b/c that's how much pot you smoke to get high.

I'm saying the baseline is Trenbolone, and we have a ton of info on the amount needed, and this is injectable. We also know that methyl-tren is incredibly potent in small amounts. And we know that these all bind to the PR very tightly, and at least with Methyl-Tren, might not bind to the AR at all. So I'm arguing from "knowns" and extrapolating in a logical direction.

That direction is that I'd be very surprised if this product met any of the marketing hype claims!

[bigblank69]

Glad to see the TRN is having some effect. Keep up the hard work!

[Sky9]

One guy using, 10 guys analyzing, and 50 people watching. This is going to turn into quite an observational and educational thread. Cant wait to see how this looks in a week.

[bigmontel]

wasn't trying to attack you, i just thought powerlifters took in alot more calories than bodybuilders...

[jmh80]

What do you mean by DE when you mention your workout?

[David Dunn]

I'll try to answer any other questions posed here. One last thought-- instead of just posting 'subscribe", why not ask a question for me or provide a comment pertaining to the TRN. Food for thought.

Or use the thread tool that allows you to "subscribe" without cluttering the log.

I cleaned up a whole lot of this mess. Subscribe via board options. If you have a contribution, share it. You can observe without posting. It's OK...really. Just trying to keep those who truely subscribe with board options from having to field ump-teen e-mail notifications of new post that states..."subscribed".

[ryansm]

Day 4 on M-TRN

Let me address some of the comments made since my last post. First of all, I am NOT a bodybuilder and I do not waste my time by following a bodybuilder's diet. I'd much rather put my energy into my workouts/exercise science research and other activities. The only things I adhere strictly to is my protein intake of 250g+ per day and essential fatty acid intake. It makes no difference to me if I get my protein from casein, egg powder, milk, chicken, steak, etc. The only supplements I use are casein/egg based protein drinks/pudding. I feel these are just as effective as any other source of pro. I usually eat 2 solid meals high in protein per day, usually I make a large amount of healthy stir fry with chicken and lean beef and brown rice on the weekend and eat it for lunch during the week. I wasn't able to do that last weekend due to some other obligations so I have to go with something else, hence the subway. I didn't even finish the rest of yesterday's diet before being attacked. For dinner I had 3 chicken breasts, 3 medium sized sweet potatoes, and a large amount of steamed broccoli. Then I had 8 oz of cottage cheese and a banana with 2 tbsp flax oil before bed. If you don't like what I am eating, don't read the thread. Bottom line, I am looking for results in strength and don't want to get too much over 220lbs as I am planning on competing in a push-pull meet in January. I don't care what my measurements are (i don't even own a tape let alone a digital camera) or what I look like. My FIRST post on this thread expresses my goals and bodybuilding isn't one of them--I powerlift. If you are interested in a bodybuilder's log-- again, don't bother reading. Next time I won't even address anything that is a critique of my diet. I'm too busy to eat 25 pre cooked meals consisting of chicken breast, salad, etc. I have a full time job, train 3 individuals, go to school, and lift as well as read/post here. I did eat very strictly and consumed zero protein powder for about 6 months but felt no benefits over how I eat now. In fact, I feel better/stronger since adding all the protein supps so I am not changing what works. Thanks.

I'm not sure who the **** you are commenting to, but since I was the one who asked about your diet I would assume it is me. You need to chill out. You specifically asked for comments, and I gave them, I also happen to be a weightlifter, not a bb'er, and the suggestions I made still apply to strength athletes regardless what you think. I also train ppl and work with elite athletes, and I still get my meals in. Whatever works for you fine, but don't jump down someones throat for posting their observations. I say we leave it at that before someone gets butthurt.

[jmh80]

Ryan - when are you planning on starting?