The ACE RIPS UP with PES and SS!

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Hey fellas,
Here I am, back at it again.

Currently: 200lb morning weight, 5'8" not sure bf%, probably ~12-15%

My plans:

Enough eating bull****. It's almost summertime and it's time to get them ABS back.
All winter long I had this mentality "disregard abs, acquire gains" and it has worked well, I went from 185-200lb naturally (using PES supps and random staples, just no PH/DS/AAS), and gained quite a bit of strength, but also with it some fat..
Anywho, I am very happy with my bulking progress, but I am ready to get rid of this little bit of fat.

From now till the end of april I will be doing a recomp with carb cycling.. At the end of April I will assess where I am at and either a- continue recomping or b- slowly cutting, ie adding more low days.

I am keeping my calories high, but I am cleaning up my diet as much as possible. I am going to be having a few high cal days and some low cal days (carb cyclin). During my low carb days I will be using Alphamine (gotta love the RL flavor, BAM!!!) and possibly the SS methylsynephrine.
As I near the midpoint / end of the month, I will probably start using them daily. I just don't want to lose weight / fat too fast.

During May i will cut cals even lower, but still be following a carb cycling protocol. At this point I will be using these products daily.

I am kind of rushed right now due to the fact that I just woke up and have to be at work soon, and I will update this post later with more info (training, nutrition, supps, etc)

Also, Just took a little over 1 scoop of AM on an empty stomach. HOLY ****. I swear I think this stuff might be stronger than enhanched... Hard to judge though b/c i NEVER take any pre on an empty stomach.
Anyways I'm speedin. Not uncomfortably, I just have quite the zoom feeling going on right now...
 

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Second post, HOpefully I'll be able to insert before and after pics here.
 
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Awesome. In for this ace :D
 

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Initial thoughts from my scoop this morning..
Tastes awesome
Within fifteen minutes I noticed a zoom feeling, almost too much.
Felt like I had a cage around my stomach, I ate less than I usually do, and was full before I was finished.

Another winner so far, good job PES
 
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Gotta love the taste of either flavor of Alphamine. The energy and appetite suppression are amazing. 1.5 scoops for me in the morning fasted and I am good to go. Are you only running the 1 scoop right now?
 

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Gotta love the taste of either flavor of Alphamine. The energy and appetite suppression are amazing. 1.5 scoops for me in the morning fasted and I am good to go. Are you only running the 1 scoop right now?
Did sightly over one scoop first thing this morning. Was close to being too stimmed
Noticed my pm dose didn't have the same kick as my am dose, but also I did only 3/4 scoop
 
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Did sightly over one scoop first thing this morning. Was close to being too stimmed
Noticed my pm dose didn't have the same kick as my am dose, but also I did only 3/4 scoop
The stuff is intense the first few uses. Once I got used to it I really craved each serving and still do even when I'm cycling off. The taste alone is as addictive as crack!

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The mixability of enhanced and alphamine are awesome.
one scoop, 5-8 oz water in a cup, swirl- No shaking necessary. No chunks.
there's usually a little bit left on the cup so rince, swirl, repeat as needed.
usually one or two rinses is plenty.

boom
 
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I really enjoy how easily they both mix up. I can't wait to give Enhanced + Alphamine a mix together and see how it tastes. RL Alphamine + BR Enhanced... I don't even know what to expect haha
 

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Ok so as far as my diet goes my goes high days, Macros are
C 400-450
P ~250-300 usually low end
F 150-200 middle of road

I'm usually towards the lower end of the scale depending if I have a cheat or not.

Low days
C 100-150
P 250ish
F 130ish

M-Tr are high cal and training days, f-sun are low and off days.
As far as training I've been doing mt dog and I love it but I need something different i've used p.rr.s before and it wasn't too bad I loved that every third week for shock you'd go lighter, giving the joints a little rest goes a long ways.

Any thoughts? I love training heavy and hitting PRs, but I also love nasty pumps.

To rip up,
I think I'm going to either need to do one of the following:
A stop cheating
B add in a cardio day
C swap a high day for another low day

I'm think I'm going to clean up the cheats and maybe add in a real light cardio before work to keep me loose..
But for now I'll start with one which will be an extra cardio or two before work.

Also I'm going to start doing a serving of alphamine every morning, why? Because am>>>>>> coffee that's why.
I will only do the second daily serving on days where I am working. (low days)

My deload week is going well.

Check out donnie Thompson.
 
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Ok so as far as my diet goes my goes high days, Macros are
C 400-450
P ~250-300 usually low end
F 150-200 middle of road

I'm usually towards the lower end of the scale depending if I have a cheat or not.

Low days
C 100-150
P 250ish
F 130ish

M-Tr are high cal and training days, f-sun are low and off days.
As far as training I've been doing mt dog and I love it but I need something different i've used p.rr.s before and it wasn't too bad I loved that every third week for shock you'd go lighter, giving the joints a little rest goes a long ways.

Any thoughts? I love training heavy and hitting PRs, but I also love nasty pumps.

To rip up,
I think I'm going to either need to do one of the following:
A stop cheating
B add in a cardio day
C swap a high day for another low day

I'm think I'm going to clean up the cheats and maybe add in a real light cardio before work to keep me loose..
But for now I'll start with one which will be an extra cardio or two before work.

Also I'm going to start doing a serving of alphamine every morning, why? Because am>>>>>> coffee that's why.
I will only do the second daily serving on days where I am working. (low days)

My deload week is going well.

Check out donnie Thompson.
Haven't done MT Dog yet but I've been following Breezy and it looks like an awesome workout. I am however doing PRRS right now and loving it. I am going to start incorporating Hybrid Week after Shock week which I have not done yet.

What time do you work? Any possible way you could get in a cardio session in the morning?

I would try a dose (1-2 scoops) of Alphamine fasted in the morning doing HIIT if your schedule allows for it. Myself along with others have seen great results doing this. For sure cleaning up the diet a bit will be beneficial for fat loss. On your low days, you could lower your CHO count and bump the Protein count up. I do carb cycling and have always loved it. 3 days low followed by 1 day high. This has always helped get the fat off faster then usual.
 
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kbayne, why don't you try some Alphamine?

I bet you have a tub at home. Just have one serving and see how it feels.

Nobody really needs a break from Alphamine. Come and join us again. ;)
 
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Ok so as far as my diet goes my goes high days, Macros are
C 400-450
P ~250-300 usually low end
F 150-200 middle of road

I'm usually towards the lower end of the scale depending if I have a cheat or not.

Low days
C 100-150
P 250ish
F 130ish

M-Tr are high cal and training days, f-sun are low and off days.
As far as training I've been doing mt dog and I love it but I need something different i've used p.rr.s before and it wasn't too bad I loved that every third week for shock you'd go lighter, giving the joints a little rest goes a long ways.

Any thoughts? I love training heavy and hitting PRs, but I also love nasty pumps.

To rip up,
I think I'm going to either need to do one of the following:
A stop cheating
B add in a cardio day
C swap a high day for another low day


I'm think I'm going to clean up the cheats and maybe add in a real light cardio before work to keep me loose..
But for now I'll start with one which will be an extra cardio or two before work.

Also I'm going to start doing a serving of alphamine every morning, why? Because am>>>>>> coffee that's why.
I will only do the second daily serving on days where I am working. (low days)

My deload week is going well.

Check out donnie Thompson.
Secret option D, all of the above.

P.S. I can't drink coffee since using Alphamine. I can only drink cold drinks in the morning now. Weird psychology.
 
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kbayne, why don't you try some Alphamine?

I bet you have a tub at home. Just have one serving and see how it feels.

Nobody really needs a break from Alphamine. Come and join us again. ;)
I may or may not have one :). I will be joining the club once again in a few days :D. I just hope everyone excepts me back.
 

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Haven't done MT Dog yet but I've been following Breezy and it looks like an awesome workout. I am however doing PRRS right now and loving it. I am going to start incorporating Hybrid Week after Shock week which I have not done yet.

What time do you work? Any possible way you could get in a cardio session in the morning?

I would try a dose (1-2 scoops) of Alphamine fasted in the morning doing HIIT if your schedule allows for it. Myself along with others have seen great results doing this. For sure cleaning up the diet a bit will be beneficial for fat loss. On your low days, you could lower your CHO count and bump the Protein count up. I do carb cycling and have always loved it. 3 days low followed by 1 day high. This has always helped get the fat off faster then usual.
First off I appreciate the input,
I work 5p-5a.
I have plenty of time for that morning cardio.
I like to eat big on training days. It's really hard not to.


Secret option D, all of the above.

P.S. I can't drink coffee since using Alphamine. I can only drink cold drinks in the morning now. Weird psychology.
I don't want to add all at once I'll lose weight too fast. That's on the freeway in the opposite direction of Gainesville, where I am currently, happily, residing.

Also, I wish I could use this indefinitely in place of coffee, forever
 
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I work 5p-5a.
I have plenty of time for that morning cardio.
I like to eat big on training days. It's really hard not to
I am sure you try and sleep in with that working schedule. Need that rest :). But ya if you can I would highly suggest Alphamine upon rising and then hitting a cardio session.

I am doing IF right now, so I break my fast around 2:30-3:00 and my meals are decently sized. The majority of my CHOs come post workout which is a HUGE meal haha. I know it can be some what difficult to get calories up if you drop the CHOs, but I just up my Protein and throw in some extra fats. For example, if I need extra calories but do not want any more CHOs, I will get some lean red meat and cook that up.
 

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I am sure you try and sleep in with that working schedule. Need that rest :). But ya if you can I would highly suggest Alphamine upon rising and then hitting a cardio session.

I am doing IF right now, so I break my fast around 2:30-3:00 and my meals are decently sized. The majority of my CHOs come post workout which is a HUGE meal haha. I know it can be some what difficult to get calories up if you drop the CHOs, but I just up my Protein and throw in some extra fats. For example, if I need extra calories but do not want any more CHOs, I will get some lean red meat and cook that up.
Yeah I like that idea but I feel like everyone could use more cho, honestly.

But I do also agree that I could lower mine on my low days, with them being so high on high days.
 
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Yeah I like that idea but I feel like everyone could use more cho, honestly.

But I do also agree that I could lower mine on my low days, with them being so high on high days.
I'd agree. 400-450 CHOs is quite a lot (for me anyways haha). If you didn't want to lower them that much on low days, possibly lower them to 300-350 on high days. That is quite lower I do realize but I really think it would help out much more.
 

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I'd agree. 400-450 CHOs is quite a lot (for me anyways haha). If you didn't want to lower them that much on low days, possibly lower them to 300-350 on high days. That is quite lower I do realize but I really think it would help out much more.
I'd agree my carbs are really high but I've increased them slowly over time.
I'm going to play with it for a little bit. My main thing should just be to clean it up

Also I've changed how i've been eating, with larger meals every 3.5-4 ish hrs, if I get busy at work it might get to 4.5.. I've been eating less frequently with aminos inbetween and I must say this feels better on my gi not eating the small meals every 2 that's ridiculous and I think the fitness industry has it wrong there.

Speaking of I've been using ai sports recover pro. It's pretty good but when you do two scoops flavor is a bit overkill. Any suggestions?

I was thinking to take those aminos before the sprints, which will probably consist of one of the following:
pulling the sled, prowler pushing, farmers walk s, and when it gets nice enough, tire flipping, car pushes, hopefully some sprinting in a nice field too. Backyard is currently small and soggy
 
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Saw this thread earlier and didn't post...what was I thinking! :lol:

I agree Alphamine is my morning coffee but I am taking a break from it for now. Day 3 and I hate my break. :(

As far as your questions I'd add some aminos before those sprints with some Alphamine. Leucine + Alphamine is one of my go to drinks for pre-conditioning work.
 
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For sure. CHO choices are always important when considering upping the count.

I have been doing a lot of reading on Leucine and/or BCAA between meals also. Taking in 5 grams Leucine 2 hours post meal has been shown to increase protein synthesis. This also allows for less protein needed throughout the day. If eating less frequently with amino in between is not causing GI issues then that is awesome. Keep at it.

I have used AI Sports Recover Pro in the past, taste is awesome. If the flavor isn't where you want it to be with two scoops, I would suggest adding more water. When I ran RP, I had both flavors and always mixed them up to get a different flavor and it was delicious. Taking Recover Pro prior to sprints would be an excellent idea. I always try and do that prior to a intense cardio session.
 
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Saw this thread earlier and didn't post...what was I thinking! :lol:

I agree Alphamine is my morning coffee but I am taking a break from it for now. Day 3 and I hate my break. :(

As far as your questions I'd add some aminos before those sprints with some Alphamine. Leucine + Alphamine is one of my go to drinks for pre-conditioning work.
Only day 3?! I've been hating my break from Alphamine, but it is almost time to get back on it :D
 

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For sure. CHO choices are always important when considering upping the count.

I have been doing a lot of reading on Leucine and/or BCAA between meals also. Taking in 5 grams Leucine 2 hours post meal has been shown to increase protein synthesis. This also allows for less protein needed throughout the day. If eating less frequently with amino in between is not causing GI issues then that is awesome. Keep at it.

I have used AI Sports Recover Pro in the past, taste is awesome. If the flavor isn't where you want it to be with two scoops, I would suggest adding more water. When I ran RP, I had both flavors and always mixed them up to get a different flavor and it was delicious. Taking Recover Pro prior to sprints would be an excellent idea. I always try and do that prior to a intense cardio session.
Yeah Layne Norton has a good article on it, worth the read.
Some people have said I believe .045-.06%lbm.
Which I'm 200lbs. Idk exactly what they mean by that but assuming mine is roughly 170 for measuring sake which would leave me with 8gs.

also this morning I was completely fine with one scoop.
 
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It is .045-.06 g/kg of bwt. 5g for your weight should be good.
 
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I may or may not have one :). I will be joining the club once again in a few days :D. I just hope everyone excepts me back.
With open arms bro...
 
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I'm subbed Ace not I've ever been late to one of your threads lol. Having a rough day.

Looks like a solid plan as always bud. Time to make them abs pop!
 

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Started my day with a scoop alphamine, and some bcaas with glutamine on the side.
I couldn't bring myself to ruin the am flavor with anything added to it.

Went in, did ten sets of sled sprints. First two were backwards with 45lb next eight were forward with 70lb.

They were about maybe 40-50ft with ten to fifteen second rests

Not very much but my heart was pounding by the end and lungs were burning
 

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Little extra I did today, my dad runs an oil business and we sold 3500 lb oil so I loaded half of it in the Back of a pickup truck.
Basically a farmers walk with a extra lift at the end.
35lb jug each hand 25 trips of carrying it about 30 ft and lifting it into a raised truck

Not cardio by any means, maybe I'd consider it if I had done all 50 trips but my fathers employee was helping.

Either way my traps had a real solid pump by the end of it... Slowly but surely wins the race
 
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Little extra I did today, my dad runs an oil business and we sold 3500 lb oil so I loaded half of it in the Back of a pickup truck.
Basically a farmers walk with a extra lift at the end.
35lb jug each hand 25 trips of carrying it about 30 ft and lifting it into a raised truck

Not cardio by any means, maybe I'd consider it if I had done all 50 trips but my fathers employee was helping.

Either way my traps had a real solid pump by the end of it... Slowly but surely wins the race
I do that all day everyday lol my family runs an oil company. Been rolling drums around since I was 13. Nice work buddy
 

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I do that all day everyday lol my family runs an oil company. Been rolling drums around since I was 13. Nice work buddy
It felt good. I will add in some farmers walks at the gym.
 

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Woke up, had all kinds of mail today.
one alphamine, two methyl synephrine, two agmatine, a tub of recover pro.

I'm thinking I want to do alphamine four Weeks solo then I'll add the methyl synephrine in, possibly agmatine too

How do you guys dose them together
 

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After seeing breezys thread, in thinking I should have put my breakfast up..
4Oz chicken sauteed in a pan with onions, garlic salt, garlic powder, chili powder, and Franks red hot.
Add four whole eggs, scramble together.
good stuff!
As for carbs, keeping it simple, 3/4c oats with cinnamon and a small banana
 
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I would start with half a tab of MS two times daily with alphamine dosage. Then bump up to one tab with two servings daily.
 
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Woke up, had all kinds of mail today.
one alphamine, two methyl synephrine, two agmatine, a tub of recover pro.

I'm thinking I want to do alphamine four Weeks solo then I'll add the methyl synephrine in, possibly agmatine too

How do you guys dose them together
Definitely run the alphamine solo at first. It is an extremely strong product so it's all you will need. Later when your body gets more accustomed to alphamine then you will have that MS to spruce it up. When you do decide to go the MS route just start with half a tab with your normal dose of alphamine. Should be close to the perfect amount of caffeine to MS.

I take agmatine while using these products just the same as I would any other time. Roughly 1g-1.5g a half hour to 45 mins pre.
 

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I would start with half a tab of MS two times daily with alphamine dosage. Then bump up to one tab with two servings daily.
Definitely run the alphamine solo at first. It is an extremely strong product so it's all you will need. Later when your body gets more accustomed to alphamine then you will have that MS to spruce it up. When you do decide to go the MS route just start with half a tab with your normal dose of alphamine. Should be close to the perfect amount of caffeine to MS.

I take agmatine while using these products just the same as I would any other time. Roughly 1g-1.5g a half hour to 45 mins pre.
Thanks for the quick feedback fellas.
Do you ever take agmatine with meals? I've read of people doing that
 
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Thanks for the quick feedback fellas.
Do you ever take agmatine with meals? I've read of people doing that
People do this for the gda properties that agmatine assist with. I don't exactly know the science on it so I won't try. Cooper would be great help here.
 
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I prefer my Agmatine in the morning/prior to CHO meals. I have always done that since it was first introduced and prefer it. It does provide some solid pumps tho in the pre-workout dosing scheme.
 

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People do this for the gda properties that agmatine assist with. I don't exactly know the science on it so I won't try. Cooper would be great help here.
I prefer my Agmatine in the morning/prior to CHO meals. I have always done that since it was first introduced and prefer it. It does provide some solid pumps tho in the pre-workout dosing scheme.
Yeah a little science would be nice.

I think I'll try both dosing schemes once I crack them open
 
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Yeah a little science would be nice.

I think I'll try both dosing schemes once I crack them open
This is directly from Coop and is very succinct:

Upon rising - peptide hormone/GH release
High carb meals - improved insulin sensitivity
Preworkout - increased vasodilation/pumps/performance
Postworkout - reduced DOMS by virtue of the analgesic effects

I still notice great pumps and fullness when dosing upon rising/pre-carb meals.
 
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This is directly from Coop and is very succinct:

Upon rising - peptide hormone/GH release
High carb meals - improved insulin sensitivity
Preworkout - increased vasodilation/pumps/performance
Postworkout - reduced DOMS by virtue of the analgesic effects

I still notice great pumps and fullness when dosing upon rising/pre-carb meals.
Great find! I have a whole new outlook on the stuff. Better stock up haha.
 

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This is directly from Coop and is very succinct:

Upon rising - peptide hormone/GH release
High carb meals - improved insulin sensitivity
Preworkout - increased vasodilation/pumps/performance
Postworkout - reduced DOMS by virtue of the analgesic effects

I still notice great pumps and fullness when dosing upon rising/pre-carb meals.
Haha so the census is to take agmatine all day every day ;)
 
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I do 500mg prior to carb meals (little more if the carbs are pretty high). I add 500-1000mg preworkout with Alphamine when I use it for a preworkout.
 

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A few moderate carb days, a week of alphamine, and I'm noticeably leaner. Obliques are faint but peeking thru.
Top four abs peeking.

I'll be lean sooner than I thought
 
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A few moderate carb days, a week of alphamine, and I'm noticeably leaner. Obliques are faint but peeking thru.
Top four abs peeking.

I'll be lean sooner than I thought
Awesome news! Should only get better from here out!
 

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