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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post

    Good update ace! It feels good to see that separation in the quads. Are you using any joint support? Something like super cissus will definitely help with the joint pain some get from EPRO.

    Thanks ltl..
    The only thing I use is glucosamine and fish oils..
    Never tried cissus before.
    What do you recommend for cissus?
    Also yeah I love seeing lines in my legs, they're the last thing to cut up on me for sure.

    So I haven't touched on this at all, but i'm usually a happy guy, but it seems like my mood is even better than usual, and has been so for a few days

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post

    Thanks ltl..
    The only thing I use is glucosamine and fish oils..
    Never tried cissus before.
    What do you recommend for cissus?
    Also yeah I love seeing lines in my legs, they're the last thing to cut up on me for sure.
    I've never used glucosamine but have heard good things. The only cissus I've ever used is usp super cissus but have had great results with it so I haven't gone with anything else.
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    So I ended up eating more food today than usual.. Was brushing my teeth in the mirror, damn! noticed everything popping / looks round, and still looking dry and lean (respectively, i'm not actually lean right now)

    gotta love PES. Their products work.

    On another note, i'm done with front squats, going back to back squats tomorrow (by tomorrow I mean when I wake up at three pm, just got out of work), probably SSB with some chains.

    Ate a few slices of pizza and sine cereal with peanut butter, salt, and almond milk for some extra carbs, Oh yeah!


    another side note, elbow just creaked.. I'm going to order cissus tomorrow.
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    Woke up about four pm, weighed 193. Light for me but i'm always light after the weekend due to work and my weight fluctuates between 7-10 lbs during the week anyway.

    My bro had his friend over I haven't seen in a month or more, he told me I look huge :-)

    I'm probably up fifteen pounds since I've seen the kid last and have put on some body fat, but hey I'll take it. Compliments like that always make my day
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    Hit some legs today, SSB back squat. Didn't go too heavy tonight I should have went up higher but I'll do so next week.
    Started with lying ham curl 4x12
    Ended up doing 5 sets 6-8 reps 245 bar weight with two of the thick chains per side, I think they are 5/3rd or something like that.. Not really sure how much they weigh, probably about 50lb at the top.
    I would have gone heavier but during the second set I was on my fourth just repping them easy. In the hole a chain managed to loop itself around the band attachments on the bottom of the mono, I drove up and just got stuck. it felt like someone was pulling on the chain on one side.
    I had to sit there in the hole for a few seconds before they UN hooked me
    Superset the last two with drop sets on the leg extension.
    Five sts body weight ghr with the black monster mini efs band assisting me over my head, between 8-10 reps.
    Last two superset with lying ham curl drop sets..
    Finished with three sets donkey calf raise 15 reps with my 240lb buddy jumping on my back..
    .. No homo in trying to get big ya know


    Anyways feeling good feeling pretty full thirst is up. Feeling strong in the gym those squats were too easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    Hit some legs today, SSB back squat. Didn't go too heavy tonight I should have went up higher but I'll do so next week.
    Started with lying ham curl 4x12
    Ended up doing 5 sets 6-8 reps 245 bar weight with two of the thick chains per side, I think they are 5/3rd or something like that.. Not really sure how much they weigh, probably about 50lb at the top.
    I would have gone heavier but during the second set I was on my fourth just repping them easy. In the hole a chain managed to loop itself around the band attachments on the bottom of the mono, I drove up and just got stuck. it felt like someone was pulling on the chain on one side.
    I had to sit there in the hole for a few seconds before they UN hooked me
    Superset the last two with drop sets on the leg extension.
    Five sts body weight ghr with the black monster mini efs band assisting me over my head, between 8-10 reps.
    Last two superset with lying ham curl drop sets..
    Finished with three sets donkey calf raise 15 reps with my 240lb buddy jumping on my back..
    .. No homo in trying to get big ya know


    Anyways feeling good feeling pretty full thirst is up. Feeling strong in the gym those squats were too easy.
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    I ate really bad last night, went to steak and shake with a friend, destroyed a quad steak burger, a steak frank, and fries and I was still starving.. Went home mixed whey protein with almond milk and ate about half a box of peanut butter cup cereal...
    Safe to say my hunger might be up..

    still woke up fairly dry, muscles real full.

    Also a note my milk induced gyno seems to be getting less. I wake up in the morning and my nips are small and regular. By the end of night however they get puffy and look bigger..
    Do you guys think otc nolvadex would do the trick or is that over kill with erase pro?
    From what I understand, ep lowers total estro, and nolvadex stops estro from binding to receptors.. Someone please correct me if i'm wrong. Would this be over kill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    I ate really bad last night, went to steak and shake with a friend, destroyed a quad steak burger, a steak frank, and fries and I was still starving.. Went home mixed whey protein with almond milk and ate about half a box of peanut butter cup cereal...
    Safe to say my hunger might be up..

    still woke up fairly dry, muscles real full.

    Also a note my milk induced gyno seems to be getting less. I wake up in the morning and my nips are small and regular. By the end of night however they get puffy and look bigger..
    Do you guys think otc nolvadex would do the trick or is that over kill with erase pro?
    From what I understand, ep lowers total estro, and nolvadex stops estro from binding to receptors.. Someone please correct me if i'm wrong. Would this be over kill?
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    Haha yeah man I usually feel like death after fast food so I avoid it as much as possible..
    I didn't feel bad after that I was just still hungry
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    So my gyno is minimal but the nipple with the pea lump is still tender. Idk if it's because I keep touching it but i'm kinda freaking out someone with knowledge in the matter please respond
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    So my gyno is minimal but the nipple with the pea lump is still tender. Idk if it's because I keep touching it but i'm kinda freaking out someone with knowledge in the matter please respond
    Touching or playing with It is a huge no no. It will irritate and possibly flare it up worse. You don't cycle any steroids? Ph/DS/AAS?
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    thank you for responding.
    No m8 the only thing I've used was daa /abe/ep and their og formulas, which I remember having itchy nipples for a day but I don't ever remember a lump.
    But then again I've never felt for one till they were irritated from the milk..
    Anywho I remember thinking I had gyno after a few Winters ago when I got up to 195 and was really fat but after cutting I had nothing.
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    Ok well anywho, trained arms today, had a sick pump. Pumps are definitely becoming more pronounced.
    A female client at the gym asked if i was "enhanced"? I laughed, it's always good hearing that.
    She then proceeded to tell me I could be the incredible hulk, and that my neck is big enough to be him.

    some arms:
    incline bench supinating db curl 4set 15 rep
    superset with high pulley rope pushdown (making the rope parallel to the floor at the bottom by really flexing the triceps away from the body) 4x15
    fat bar curls 4x 12,10,8,6 last set dropsetted for another 10 rep
    supersetted with decline bench lying swiss bar curl. 4 sets, starting with outside grip, then middle, then inside, all 15 reps. finished last set by doing all three grips in a row, starting inside and working out.
    2 drop sets db hammer xbody curl 40->30->20 all ten reps
    superset with 2 sets overhead tricep extension (one arm, deep stretch, slow negative) x10-12 rep


    edit:Just to clarify, I always train arms like this. I'll do one bicep movement then one tri movement, back and forth.
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    I'm noticing that by the end of the night I am a bottomless pit.
    It's not even that I necessarily feel hungry, it's that once I start eating I can just keep going. I haven't really hit the **** i'm bloated I have to stop eating wall
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    I'm back on AB and hunger is up a bit, filling the void with lots of chicken and steak. (=
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    Ok so first of all, ltl, THANK YOU.
    your response has helped immensely. Not touching my tits has made a huge difference.
    Secondly, I've been eating so dirty and my abs are getting visibly sharper.. Wtf!?
    And to make a note on my most recent post, I ate two half pound burgers with bacon and chili last night, and almost a whole bag of frozen fries.. Afterwards I was eyeballing the cereal but I just figured that would be over kill and called it quits.
    Wake up this morning, I can see top for abs and my Ab walls were very visible, all the way down
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni
    Ok so first of all, ltl, THANK YOU.
    your response has helped immensely. Not touching my tits has made a huge difference.
    Secondly, I've been eating so dirty and my abs are getting visibly sharper.. Wtf!?
    And to make a note on my most recent post, I ate two half pound burgers with bacon and chili last night, and almost a whole bag of frozen fries.. Afterwards I was eyeballing the cereal but I just figured that would be over kill and called it quits.
    Wake up this morning, I can see top for abs and my Ab walls were very visible, all the way down
    Nice, anabeta allows me to eat a ton and not gain bodyfat. Now i want a burger, thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    I'm noticing that by the end of the night I am a bottomless pit.
    It's not even that I necessarily feel hungry, it's that once I start eating I can just keep going. I haven't really hit the **** i'm bloated I have to stop eating wall
    I get this every time with Anabeta as well. Love being able to smash the extra calories without getting fat and bloated up!
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    Trained some back today. My younger brothers friend wanted to come check it out so I was helping him out with deads, etc.
    So that did slow me down slightly but I still managed to get a good training in with nice pump as well.
    Did more of a hypertrophy session today, kinda backing off deads so I can focus more on squatting.

    One arm barbell rows with a Meadows handle attachment with a red band over the bar under my toes. Five sts 12,10,8,8,8 last set take off handle and get perpendicular to the end of the bar performing an actual Meadows row.
    Four sets low cable supinated rows x12
    High pulley "stretcher" pulldown 3x 12
    Then finished with rack rows 3x8 @315 ss with three by sets chest supported row x8-10
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    Generally my hunger is up and my muscles are fuller.

    I read in a post here to avoid forsklin products while dealing with gyno symptoms.. and abe contains forsklin.. thoughts??
    My itchiness and sensitivity and much lower than before but now my nipples are more puffy than ever. Idk really what to do erase pro should be lowering total estrogen and also binding the receptor sites, so this must be prolactin related..
    I read 200-400Mg b6 daily will help as well as mucuna puriens.
    I'm going to try that route, hopefully not in vain..

    I'm getting mad honestly I stopped dairy a few ****ing Weeks ago and to no avail it seems my symptoms are getting worse.

    I'll wake up in the morning nips small as dimes, by the end of the day they'll be quarter sized and visible thru my shirt, puffy and looking like tits
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    Generally my hunger is up and my muscles are fuller.

    I read in a post here to avoid forsklin products while dealing with gyno symptoms.. and abe contains forsklin.. thoughts??
    My itchiness and sensitivity and much lower than before but now my nipples are more puffy than ever. Idk really what to do erase pro should be lowering total estrogen and also binding the receptor sites, so this must be prolactin related..
    I read 200-400Mg b6 daily will help as well as mucuna puriens.
    I'm going to try that route, hopefully not in vain..

    I'm getting mad honestly I stopped dairy a few ****ing Weeks ago and to no avail it seems my symptoms are getting worse.

    I'll wake up in the morning nips small as dimes, by the end of the day they'll be quarter sized and visible thru my shirt, puffy and looking like tits
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    Thank you sir, again Idk if it's even really there or if i'm just freaking out.. Sensitivity is completely gone, but my nips can get puffy on and off throughout the day.


    Notes on the stack, did two low carb days at work, woke up super dry and looking lean this morning.. Weight around 191, 192
    Wait, what? I'm trying to gain weight!!
    Everything still looks round and full though.

    I'm going to eat some pizza at work tonight I think, get nice and bloated to squat tomorrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    Cutting out all dairy..

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    Lmao! Yeah bro bee careful with that dairy it caused me allot of grief..
    I went dairy free for as long as I remember, then all of a sudden I started drinking 1L + milk daily.. Eating almost a block of cheese a week, sometimes two. Also cooking with butter and eating ample amounts of yogurt..

    Be careful!

    Anyways I just looked in the mirror before showing, after breakfast. muscles are VERY round, everything is popping big time
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post

    more cottage cheese for me then
    Do you think that looks bad though, seriously?
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    For how fat I am I look incredibly lean and dry..

    broke down and ate pizza tonight.. Oops

    Edit.. Holy ****, it seems like all those calories went right to my arms cause they look faaaawkin hyooooooge.

    That's one of my favorite things about Abe, always does a good job of sending the excess carbs right to my glycogen
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    Had a good training session today, got a solid pump but I'm feeling worn down and possibly getting sick
    Five sts lying curl
    Hit some SSB back squats 265 + 3 fat chains per side 4sts of 6. last two super set with drop set extensions.
    Then sldl, four sts, only 135 x12 really focusing on negatives..
    Last two super set with lying curls ending with partial curl..

    I can go heavier on the sldls, but it just seems like when I do I lose the mind muscle connection with my hams


    Also I ended up killing a whole pizza last night, one half with chicken and broccoli other half with two five ounce beef Patties..
    Idk if it's the cheese or bc I was touching my nip last night but laying on my arm during lying curl I felt the knot is kinda sensitive.. Not really puffy at all though, looking small. That may be because I've been cold all day though

    Also do you guys think smoking marijuana increases gyno? I actually read somewhere it reduces prolactin but I could be wrong..
    Anywho I ask because I've been smoking. Do you think this is effecting this incident negatively
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    Wow.. Looking in the mirror I'm quite impressed with how lean I an compared too how I've been eating..
    Whole pizza last night, hash browns for breakfast, frozen fries with fatty steak, granted I did two low carb low Cal days at work, but damn I shouldn't have tightened up that much for only two low days. I better be careful, I am trying to bulk. (i've always carb cycled though, my body loves it..)
    This stack seems to enhance the benefits of said carb cycling

    My abs just may be sharper than a samurai sword
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    I love how quickly this combo dries me out and tightens everything up. I usually notice it after just a few days.
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    I honestly think I felt ****ty in the gym Monday just from work because I felt great today, getting stronger on chest..

    So when I train chest I always super set one back movement with one chest movement..
    Slight DB decline twist press, 40x4x12, slow negative short rests
    Seated rear delt fly 10x5x30..went real light on those just trying to rep them out hard squeeze at the top slow negative explosive positive
    DB incline press with elite fts red monster band in palms under the bench 70x8, 75x4x8 last two superset with DB cg incline 55x2x10 superset incline chain flysx10

    Bandell bar flat press +30+10Kb/side x 3 x15
    Swiss bar scapula pulldown outer most grip3x20

    Finished with seated laterals 30x5x15 last two drop sets

    Anyways, if I haven't told you guys I injured my pec insertion pretty badly about four months ago, and didn't train it for about two and a half maybe three months.
    During that time i started hitting back twice a week, really focusing on upper back the day i would have normally trained chest.. Needless to say my back blew the **** up as did my arms and Delts..

    My chest was neglected and when i got back into training it i was and still am hyper sensitive to any sort of tweaking during training..
    So that's why the numbers seem low.
    Just trying to stay healthy at this point (might I add training back 2 x weekly and using that bandell bar have made a HUGE difference)
    I'm using more TUT than weight. Chest is responding really well to this and my joints are staying healthy
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    Glycogen looking really full, muscles nice and round pump getting retarted, and overall feeling of well being is there

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    Great updates! Looking like a brick house!
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    im rather enjoying abe and ep during pct....
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    Great job ace, beast
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Great updates! Looking like a brick house!
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    im rather enjoying abe and ep during pct....
    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post
    Great job ace, beast
    Thanks fellas! and yeah tech I love these two products.. Throwing in daa seems to perfect the stack.
    Also I think smoking mj may be making the nips puffy
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    Food for thought...


    Marihuana and sex: a critical survey.Abel EL.

    Marihuana usage is associated with a life-style that involves earlier and more frequent sexual activity. Marihuana usage does not affect human male testosterone levels significantly, but does adversely affect sperm production. Animal studies have not found consistent changes in weights of male sexual organs but have corroborated the adverse effects of cannabinoid compounds on sperm production. The biological significances of these effects on sperm production are unclear, however, since there is no evidence that human marihuana users or male animals given cannabinoid compounds are less fertile or are at risk for dominant lethal mutations. Cannabinoid compounds reliably inhibit ovulation in animals and are associated with depressed luteinizing hormone (lh - leutenizing hormone - ) levels in both female and male animals. The decreased lh - leutenizing hormone - levels appear to be due to both hypothalamic and ovarian sites of action. Treatment with cannabinoid compounds is also associated with lower testosterone levels in male and lower prolactin levels in female animals. Effects on progesterone levels are inconclusive. Cannabinoid compounds do not possess estrogenic activity. Despite some consistencies in the data in virtually every study conducted with animals, there has been a basic confounding between direct drug action and secondary effects resulting from drug-induced decreases in food and water consumption and attendant weight loss. Almost all of the adverse effects of cannabinoid exposure on reproductive organs can be attributed to these secondary effects.

    Marijuana: interaction with the estrogen receptor.

    Sauer MA, Rifka SM, Hawks RL, Cutler GB Jr, Loriaux DL.

    Crude marijuana extract competed with estradiol for binding to the estrogen receptor of rat uterine cytosol. Condensed marijuana smoke also competed with estradiol for its receptor. Pure delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol, however, did not interact with the estrogen receptor. Ten delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol metabolites also failed to compete with estradiol for its receptor. Of several other common cannabinoids tested, only cannabidiol showed any estrogen receptor binding. This was evident only at very high concentrations of cannabidiol. Apigenin, the aglycone of a flavinoid phytoestrogen found in cannabis, displa high affinity for the estrogen receptor. To assess the biological significance of these receptor data, estrogen activity was measured in vivo with the uterine growth bioassay, using immature rats. Cannabis extract in large doses exhibited neither estrogenic nor antiestrogenic effects. Thus, although estrogen receptor binding activity was observed in crude marijuana extract, marijuana smoke condensate and several known components of cannabis, direct estrogenic activity of cannabis extract could not be demonstrated in vivo.




    The often heard assertion that THC causes gynecomastia is not related to estrogenic activity of the compound, but rather to the ability of THC to suppress luteinizing hormone (lh - leutenizing hormone - ). A number of studies have shown this (1) (2) (3). Other studies have failed to show an effect (4).

    As with evidence supporting the theory behind marijuana induced gynecomastia, there are conflicting studies about whether there is even a correlation between marijuana use and gynecomastia. There is a much stronger correlation between alcoholism and gynecomastia than between weed and gynecomastia.


    (1) NIDA Res Monogr 1984;44:46-64
    Endocrine effects of marijuana in the male: preclinical studies.

    (2) Drug Alcohol Depend 1992 Apr;30(1):59-63
    Chronic effects of marihuana smoking on luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and prolactin levels in human males.

    (3) : J Pharmacol Exp Ther 1986 Jun;237(3):862-6
    Marihuana smoking suppresses luteinizing hormone in women.

    (4) 1: Drug Alcohol Depend 1991 Aug;28(2):121- 8
    Effects of chronic marijuana use on testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin and cortisol in men and women.
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    That is really interesting, I appreciate you adding this.. I feel like those studies were going back and forth, one saying it binds estrogen receptors, the other saying there was no estrogenic activity in vivo

    In the first study it says no effect on testosterone then lower in same study it says it does lower it..?

    Also, it's saying thc has no effect just the cbds, meaning vaporization would be a much better alternative.
    Still though they seem very conflicting and I'm wondering who put these studies on because the way they were written it seems like they have an agenda

    but I do notice when I wake up nips are flat to chest dime sized, looking completely normal.. and by the end of last night after I drank two beers and smoked a few bowls my nips were quarter sized and puffy

    Needless to say that's not a normal night for me but I was with my bro having a good time.
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    Trained back today, hit some rack pulls to start with, I hit a real nice groove with these, usually I cannot snap my hips enough, today though, it felt perfect.., worked up to 475x5, 495x4, 515x3. I felt strong but my form broke down on the third rep of the last set, no hitch or anything bad, but after having such good technique in the previous sets, I didn't want to reinforce bad techniques by going any closer to my 1RM..
    super setted the three sets of rack pulls with Swiss bar pulldown 3x10.
    Next moved on to one arm bb rows with the Meadows handle and a red short monster mini over the bar under my feet, standing beside the bar 50#x3x8 focusing on contraction at the top then three sets straddling the bar hits my lats differently 75x3x12 no band.
    Next supinated seated cable rows 200x3x10 each set with drops
    Then a few sets of rear delt rows 3x20
    To finish it off I did two sets of neck curls.. Neck was so pumped it was hard to breath.. Girl told me my neck was way too Big
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    Trained back today, hit some rack pulls to start with, I hit a real nice groove with these, usually I cannot snap my hips enough, today though, it felt perfect.., worked up to 475x5, 495x4, 515x3. I felt strong but my form broke down on the third rep of the last set, no hitch or anything bad, but after having such good technique in the previous sets, I didn't want to reinforce bad techniques by going any closer to my 1RM..
    super setted the three sets of rack pulls with Swiss bar pulldown 3x10.
    Next moved on to one arm bb rows with the Meadows handle and a red short monster mini over the bar under my feet, standing beside the bar 50#x3x8 focusing on contraction at the top then three sets straddling the bar hits my lats differently 75x3x12 no band.
    Next supinated seated cable rows 200x3x10 each set with drops
    Then a few sets of rear delt rows 3x20
    To finish it off I did two sets of neck curls.. Neck was so pumped it was hard to breath.. Girl told me my neck was way too Big
    Neck so pumped hard to breath = winning bro! Killer workout great numbers. How's the boobies?

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