[snagencyV2.0]

and then you have the snag side of the coin -- ie, malto is crap

cheap yes, and if used with proper understanding of its properties and limited to very specific timeframes of use..okay
the problem arises however, with lack of understanding, and therefore faulty use

many ppl are trying to improve body comp these days..lack of understanding on caloric micros (let alone macros) are impeding the majority (yes i said majority) of these individuals

utilizing things like malto frequently - with the false impression that "hey, at least it's not sugar" - is the undoing of many bodycomp aspiring folks out there

truly - i do not even utilize malto in postWO time
if i need simple carbs, i can get them cheaper still than malto
this makes malto essentially worthless in my outlook

all that other stuff you guys are talking about (vitargo etc) - absolutely no need

[bean5er]

and then you have the snag side of the coin -- ie, malto is crap

cheap yes, and if used with proper understanding of its properties and limited to very specific timeframes of use..okay
the problem arises however, with lack of understanding, and therefore faulty use

many ppl are trying to improve body comp these days..lack of understanding on caloric micros (let alone macros) are impeding the majority (yes i said majority) of these individuals

utilizing things like malto frequently - with the false impression that "hey, at least it's not sugar" - is the undoing of many bodycomp aspiring folks out there

truly - i do not even utilize malto in postWO time
if i need simple carbs, i can get them cheaper still than malto
this makes malto essentially worthless in my outlook

all that other stuff you guys are talking about (vitargo etc) - absolutely no need

Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[mattys4]

Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion

[bean5er]

See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion

Funny how everyone is diff lol

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[bean5er]

Man I wish I could copy and paste off FB from my phone, but a friend of mine who is a very successful coach in my state posted a great rant on FB about malto, the gist of it was, it's a processed sweetener with a glycemic index of 80-100 and sugar is 100. Point made I guess. I've never used any of these. May try Karbolyn on a clean bulk who knows.

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[mattys4]

I like karbolyn. Another one ive had.my eye on is glycofuse

[snagencyV2.0]

Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.

better, but again not needed, and can be done thru proper real foods

See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion

i coach too guys
and yes, we all have our own differnet opinions, is the way the world works
many paths, will lead to Rome

fyi - i seem to do better for others, than i do for myself (in last stages of prep)..
this is not an anomaly either, even coaches need coaches sometimes

[snagencyV2.0]

Man I wish I could copy and paste off FB from my phone, but a friend of mine who is a very successful coach in my state posted a great rant on FB about malto, the gist of it was, it's a processed sweetener with a glycemic index of 80-100 and sugar is 100. Point made I guess. I've never used any of these. May try Karbolyn on a clean bulk who knows.

actually, malto and dextrose are same GI (100), altho you will read malto has GI of anywhere from 105-145 depending on source..but malto has higher insulin index than does dextrose

but GI is only half the story..GL (glycemic load) more appropriate, in context

[mattys4]

Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department

[snagencyV2.0]

Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department

those things you mention, matty, are carbs

[mattys4]

those things you mention, matty, are carbs

I know LOL. I meant they dont help me performance wise. I feel.bloated and lethargic. However with vitargo or hbcd type products theres a noticible increase in performance. Sorru im.typing on my phone.so maybe i wasnt making myself.clear because im lazy LOL

[mattys4]

For a preworkout carb source i much prefer vitargo or hbcd products over malto, dextrose or wms.

[snagencyV2.0]

I know LOL. I meant they dont help me performance wise. I feel.bloated and lethargic. However with vitargo or hbcd type products theres a noticible increase in performance. Sorru im.typing on my phone.so maybe i wasnt making myself.clear because im lazy LOL

hmmm..not too sure about that one, bud
i understand bloating, and if that is the difference for you (ie bloating on certain things but not others), then that is valid for you
but - saying that one of these carbs makes one perform better than any other..huh uh
not buying it

[snagencyV2.0]

For a preworkout carb source i much prefer vitargo or hbcd products over malto, dextrose or wms.

btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana

[bean5er]

better, but again not needed, and can be done thru proper real foods

Agree!

i coach too guys
and yes, we all have our own differnet opinions, is the way the world works
many paths, will lead to Rome

:-)

fyi - i seem to do better for others, than i do for myself (in last stages of prep)..
this is not an anomaly either, even coaches need coaches sometimes

My coach has a coach for himself too!

actually, malto and dextrose are same GI (100), altho you will read malto has GI of anywhere from 105-145 depending on source..but malto has higher insulin index than does dextrose

but GI is only half the story..GL (glycemic load) more appropriate, in context

Good info snags I'm meaning here. I'm a noob when it comes to this stuff.

His main point in that rant was geared more towards how he was sick of supp companies like AdvoCare advertise no sugar in products yet malto is an ingredient.

Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department

I NEED carbs pre also. Fasted training especially legs is not for me!

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[mattys4]

hmmm..not too sure about that one, bud
i understand bloating, and if that is the difference for you (ie bloating on certain things but not others), then that is valid for you
but - saying that one of these carbs makes one perform better than any other..huh uh
not buying it

Ill take a strong placebo effect. Im not a scientist i dont care much why it works but for me theres a huge difference. 35g wms preworkout i feel.like crap workout suffers. 35g vitargo feel good workout much better. Same with zero carbs pre workout, maybe i just never got used to training totally fasted but theres a noticible difference for me with carbs pre workout

[bean5er]

btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana

That is exactly what I use!!
48g egg white protein
75g dry oats
1 large banana
Water and Ice
All in a blender :-)

Yum yum yum

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[mattys4]

btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana

Right thats what works for you. From trial and error you know what works.for you best. I workout 5am daily just get up throw together a custom preworkout and off i go

[mattys4]

That is exactly what I use!!
48g egg white protein
75g dry oats
1 large banana
Water and Ice
All in a blender :-)

Yum yum yum

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

Preworkout you use this?

[snagencyV2.0]

His main point in that rant was geared more towards how he was sick of supp companies like AdvoCare advertise no sugar in products yet malto is an ingredient.

absolutely
the old catch-phrase "hidden glucose polymers" applies to many of these products advertised as "no-sugar"..
when in fact, the ingredients (not understood by the average joe) do in fact play a major role in blood glucose levels and insulin response

Ill take a strong placebo effect. Im not a scientist i dont care much why it works but for me theres a huge difference. 35g wms preworkout i feel.like crap workout suffers. 35g vitargo feel good workout much better. Same with zero carbs pre workout, maybe i just never got used to training totally fasted but theres a noticible difference for me with carbs pre workout

this is an example of insulin-response, and why each of these items you mention have a different effect/response in you, individually

is why NONE of these can be called the be-all/end-all, because metabolisms are different on an individual basis
so, there is no right nor wrong answer here..

hence the old saying: "whatever works for you"

[snagencyV2.0]

That is exactly what I use!!
48g egg white protein
75g dry oats
1 large banana
Water and Ice
All in a blender :-)

NICE!

Preworkout you use this?

all in the timing my friend
instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response

[mattys4]

I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein

[PalmFist]

That is exactly what I use!!
48g egg white protein
75g dry oats
1 large banana
Water and Ice
All in a blender :-)

Yum yum yum

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

Yes. This about an hour to two hours prior is a big win in my book

[bean5er]

Preworkout you use this?

Yessir!

NICE!

:-)

all in the timing my friend
instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response

Is around 45-60 mins pre.

I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein

I love it

Yes. This about an hour to two hours prior is a big win in my book

Big win!

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[aceroni]

NICE!

all in the timing my friend
instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response

I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein

Yes. This about an hour to two hours prior is a big win in my book

Yessir!

Is around 45-60 mins pre.

I love it

Big win!

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

Honestly I have to eat whole food within an hour before training or I an starving during.. Also keep in mind I have a really fast metabolism and I tend to spend about two plus hours in the gym, between a half hour to 45 minutes prehab then about one to one and a half hours lifting

[snagencyV2.0]

Honestly I have to eat whole food within an hour before training or I an starving during.. Also keep in mind I have a really fast metabolism and I tend to spend about two plus hours in the gym, between a half hour to 45 minutes prehab then about one to one and a half hours lifting

the simple answer here is: you are in the gym too long
no need to be training for that long
hopefully you are at least consuming bcaa pre/intra

[bean5er]

the simple answer here is: you are in the gym too long
no need to be training for that long
hopefully you are at least consuming bcaa pre/intra

Snags with a simple answer! He does it all! Kidding aside bud I agree 100%. If I'm in there for more than 60-70mins I'm pissed, now don't get me wrong I am currently in there a bit longer trying to get my cardio in but off season I'm in there 45 mins tops!

Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

[snagencyV2.0]

Snags with a simple answer!

i have my moments..surprise you every once in awhile

[MANotaur]

I'm in usually around an hour and a half, but my volume is usually higher especially since I was just doin gvt and I never did an exercise for any less than 8 sets.... But I don't have a gym anymore! I have a wife and a few heavy ass books!

~ MANotaur

[Danb2285]

I'm usually an hour and 35 minutes with cardio