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  1. and then you have the snag side of the coin -- ie, malto is crap

    cheap yes, and if used with proper understanding of its properties and limited to very specific timeframes of use..okay
    the problem arises however, with lack of understanding, and therefore faulty use

    many ppl are trying to improve body comp these days..lack of understanding on caloric micros (let alone macros) are impeding the majority (yes i said majority) of these individuals

    utilizing things like malto frequently - with the false impression that "hey, at least it's not sugar" - is the undoing of many bodycomp aspiring folks out there

    truly - i do not even utilize malto in postWO time
    if i need simple carbs, i can get them cheaper still than malto
    this makes malto essentially worthless in my outlook

    all that other stuff you guys are talking about (vitargo etc) - absolutely no need


  2. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    and then you have the snag side of the coin -- ie, malto is crap

    cheap yes, and if used with proper understanding of its properties and limited to very specific timeframes of use..okay
    the problem arises however, with lack of understanding, and therefore faulty use

    many ppl are trying to improve body comp these days..lack of understanding on caloric micros (let alone macros) are impeding the majority (yes i said majority) of these individuals

    utilizing things like malto frequently - with the false impression that "hey, at least it's not sugar" - is the undoing of many bodycomp aspiring folks out there

    truly - i do not even utilize malto in postWO time
    if i need simple carbs, i can get them cheaper still than malto
    this makes malto essentially worthless in my outlook

    all that other stuff you guys are talking about (vitargo etc) - absolutely no need
    Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er

    Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.

    Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)
    See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post

    See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion
    Funny how everyone is diff lol

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  5. Man I wish I could copy and paste off FB from my phone, but a friend of mine who is a very successful coach in my state posted a great rant on FB about malto, the gist of it was, it's a processed sweetener with a glycemic index of 80-100 and sugar is 100. Point made I guess. I've never used any of these. May try Karbolyn on a clean bulk who knows.

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  6. I like karbolyn. Another one ive had.my eye on is glycofuse
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.
    better, but again not needed, and can be done thru proper real foods
    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion
    i coach too guys
    and yes, we all have our own differnet opinions, is the way the world works
    many paths, will lead to Rome

    fyi - i seem to do better for others, than i do for myself (in last stages of prep)..
    this is not an anomaly either, even coaches need coaches sometimes

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Man I wish I could copy and paste off FB from my phone, but a friend of mine who is a very successful coach in my state posted a great rant on FB about malto, the gist of it was, it's a processed sweetener with a glycemic index of 80-100 and sugar is 100. Point made I guess. I've never used any of these. May try Karbolyn on a clean bulk who knows.
    actually, malto and dextrose are same GI (100), altho you will read malto has GI of anywhere from 105-145 depending on source..but malto has higher insulin index than does dextrose

    but GI is only half the story..GL (glycemic load) more appropriate, in context

  9. Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department


    those things you mention, matty, are carbs

  11. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0


    those things you mention, matty, are carbs
    I know LOL. I meant they dont help me performance wise. I feel.bloated and lethargic. However with vitargo or hbcd type products theres a noticible increase in performance. Sorru im.typing on my phone.so maybe i wasnt making myself.clear because im lazy LOL
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  12. For a preworkout carb source i much prefer vitargo or hbcd products over malto, dextrose or wms.
    All posts by mattys4 are the result of a very creative imagination and should not be considered advice nor taken seriously

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    I know LOL. I meant they dont help me performance wise. I feel.bloated and lethargic. However with vitargo or hbcd type products theres a noticible increase in performance. Sorru im.typing on my phone.so maybe i wasnt making myself.clear because im lazy LOL
    hmmm..not too sure about that one, bud
    i understand bloating, and if that is the difference for you (ie bloating on certain things but not others), then that is valid for you
    but - saying that one of these carbs makes one perform better than any other..huh uh
    not buying it

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    For a preworkout carb source i much prefer vitargo or hbcd products over malto, dextrose or wms.
    btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana

  15. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    better, but again not needed, and can be done thru proper real foods

    Agree!

    i coach too guys
    and yes, we all have our own differnet opinions, is the way the world works
    many paths, will lead to Rome

    :-)

    fyi - i seem to do better for others, than i do for myself (in last stages of prep)..
    this is not an anomaly either, even coaches need coaches sometimes
    My coach has a coach for himself too!
    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    actually, malto and dextrose are same GI (100), altho you will read malto has GI of anywhere from 105-145 depending on source..but malto has higher insulin index than does dextrose

    but GI is only half the story..GL (glycemic load) more appropriate, in context
    Good info snags I'm meaning here. I'm a noob when it comes to this stuff.

    His main point in that rant was geared more towards how he was sick of supp companies like AdvoCare advertise no sugar in products yet malto is an ingredient.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department
    I NEED carbs pre also. Fasted training especially legs is not for me!

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0
    hmmm..not too sure about that one, bud
    i understand bloating, and if that is the difference for you (ie bloating on certain things but not others), then that is valid for you
    but - saying that one of these carbs makes one perform better than any other..huh uh
    not buying it
    Ill take a strong placebo effect. Im not a scientist i dont care much why it works but for me theres a huge difference. 35g wms preworkout i feel.like crap workout suffers. 35g vitargo feel good workout much better. Same with zero carbs pre workout, maybe i just never got used to training totally fasted but theres a noticible difference for me with carbs pre workout
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana
    That is exactly what I use!!
    48g egg white protein
    75g dry oats
    1 large banana
    Water and Ice
    All in a blender :-)

    Yum yum yum

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  18. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0
    btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana
    Right thats what works for you. From trial and error you know what works.for you best. I workout 5am daily just get up throw together a custom preworkout and off i go
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er

    That is exactly what I use!!
    48g egg white protein
    75g dry oats
    1 large banana
    Water and Ice
    All in a blender :-)

    Yum yum yum

    Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)
    Preworkout you use this?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    His main point in that rant was geared more towards how he was sick of supp companies like AdvoCare advertise no sugar in products yet malto is an ingredient.
    absolutely
    the old catch-phrase "hidden glucose polymers" applies to many of these products advertised as "no-sugar"..
    when in fact, the ingredients (not understood by the average joe) do in fact play a major role in blood glucose levels and insulin response



    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    Ill take a strong placebo effect. Im not a scientist i dont care much why it works but for me theres a huge difference. 35g wms preworkout i feel.like crap workout suffers. 35g vitargo feel good workout much better. Same with zero carbs pre workout, maybe i just never got used to training totally fasted but theres a noticible difference for me with carbs pre workout
    this is an example of insulin-response, and why each of these items you mention have a different effect/response in you, individually

    is why NONE of these can be called the be-all/end-all, because metabolisms are different on an individual basis
    so, there is no right nor wrong answer here..

    hence the old saying: "whatever works for you"

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    That is exactly what I use!!
    48g egg white protein
    75g dry oats
    1 large banana
    Water and Ice
    All in a blender :-)
    NICE!

    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    Preworkout you use this?
    all in the timing my friend
    instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response

  22. I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    That is exactly what I use!!
    48g egg white protein
    75g dry oats
    1 large banana
    Water and Ice
    All in a blender :-)

    Yum yum yum

    Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)
    Yes. This about an hour to two hours prior is a big win in my book
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post

    Preworkout you use this?
    Yessir!

    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    NICE!

    :-)

    all in the timing my friend
    instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response
    Is around 45-60 mins pre.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein
    I love it
    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    Yes. This about an hour to two hours prior is a big win in my book
    Big win!

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  25. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    NICE!

    all in the timing my friend
    instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response
    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein
    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    Yes. This about an hour to two hours prior is a big win in my book
    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post

    Yessir!

    Is around 45-60 mins pre.

    I love it

    Big win!

    Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)
    Honestly I have to eat whole food within an hour before training or I an starving during.. Also keep in mind I have a really fast metabolism and I tend to spend about two plus hours in the gym, between a half hour to 45 minutes prehab then about one to one and a half hours lifting

  26. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    Honestly I have to eat whole food within an hour before training or I an starving during.. Also keep in mind I have a really fast metabolism and I tend to spend about two plus hours in the gym, between a half hour to 45 minutes prehab then about one to one and a half hours lifting
    the simple answer here is: you are in the gym too long
    no need to be training for that long
    hopefully you are at least consuming bcaa pre/intra

  27. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post

    the simple answer here is: you are in the gym too long
    no need to be training for that long
    hopefully you are at least consuming bcaa pre/intra
    Snags with a simple answer! He does it all! Kidding aside bud I agree 100%. If I'm in there for more than 60-70mins I'm pissed, now don't get me wrong I am currently in there a bit longer trying to get my cardio in but off season I'm in there 45 mins tops!

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  28. Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Snags with a simple answer!
    i have my moments..surprise you every once in awhile


  29. I'm in usually around an hour and a half, but my volume is usually higher especially since I was just doin gvt and I never did an exercise for any less than 8 sets.... But I don't have a gym anymore! I have a wife and a few heavy ass books!

    ~ MANotaur
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    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  30. I'm usually an hour and 35 minutes with cardio
    Purus labs Rep
    doin it mountain dog style in here come along for the shred fest-http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/229302-danbs-mountain-dog.html
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