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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    I don't see much point to take then before and during, either or should suffice, providing you're getting 4g leucine.
    That's exactly enough to maximize protein synthesis, any more is just being wasted..
    I'd probably throw some carbs in there to spike the insulin, stay anabolic... I believe JM recommends the biotest or glycofuse
    id get carbolean or waxy maize personally....for a carb source. and BCAAs you can get raw, unflavored bcaas in standard and nitrate form for dirt cheap. go with that
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    theres no point in paying for fillers, i get all my supps in bulk and for dirt cheap, theyre all raw and without any filler or flavors or artifcial sweetners....everything you/I need w/ none of the crap that they fill with
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    been outta logs for a while. how are you liking/how did you like mass hgh? i wanna use it during my cut with alphamine and versa 1
    Things have changed a bit since this log started lol. To bring u up to speed, I had my test levels checked by a fertility doc (we have been having trouble getting prego) and they came back at 250
    So I'm starting my 2nd month of HCG 2500ius/ twice weekly. I'm getting bloods done on the 28th to see where I'm at, but I decided not to run the mass hgh for now just so doc could get a clear reading on my levels. Make sense. I'm going to be on HCG until we are done having kids then ill be on TRT injections with HCG (at lower dose).

    In the last 4 weeks (remember I'm on a prep diet) I've gained somewhere around 4-6 lbs and BF has either stayed the same or slightly gone down. So obviously my test levels have increased accompanied by my diet being spot on and adjusted by my coach considering the HCG, and this MD training I'm doing, I'm reaping the benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post

    I don't see much point to take then before and during, either or should suffice, providing you're getting 4g leucine.
    That's exactly enough to maximize protein synthesis, any more is just being wasted..
    I'd probably throw some carbs in there to spike the insulin, stay anabolic... I believe JM recommends the biotest or glycofuse
    I can't do the carbs currently because I'm towards the end of a 16 hour fast at that time. I down a massive amount of food not long after my workout.
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    That sounds awesome dude. Glad the HCG is working for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Things have changed a bit since this log started lol. To bring u up to speed, I had my test levels checked by a fertility doc (we have been having trouble getting prego) and they came back at 250
    So I'm starting my 2nd month of HCG 2500ius/ twice weekly. I'm getting bloods done on the 28th to see where I'm at, but I decided not to run the mass hgh for now just so doc could get a clear reading on my levels. Make sense. I'm going to be on HCG until we are done having kids then ill be on TRT injections with HCG (at lower dose).

    In the last 4 weeks (remember I'm on a prep diet) I've gained somewhere around 4-6 lbs and BF has either stayed the same or slightly gone down. So obviously my test levels have increased accompanied by my diet being spot on and adjusted by my coach considering the HCG, and this MD training I'm doing, I'm reaping the benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post
    is that a good face, a WTF face or a FML face?
    well..
    i would definitely assume #1 to be blatantly NOT the case..
    #2 is most likely..
    #3 could be but more realistically only if this has been an ongoing problem for him, or if there is a shyte-ton going wrong in his life currently

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    well..
    i would definitely assume #1 to be blatantly NOT the case..
    #2 is most likely..
    #3 could be but more realistically only if this has been an ongoing problem for him, or if there is a shyte-ton going wrong in his life currently

    smiley intervention 101..welcome
    lol well 1 could be reletive...if it was 100..then 250 is a good thing...still low...but its better than 100

    but i just wanted to clarify but thank you! i hate smileys...i needed the the intervention snaj....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post
    lol well 1 could be reletive.......
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    Lmao let's go with 2.5 how's that?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Lmao let's go with 2.5 how's that?!

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    Somewhere between 2 and 3!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    id get carbolean or waxy maize personally....for a carb source. and BCAAs you can get raw, unflavored bcaas in standard and nitrate form for dirt cheap. go with that
    Yeah Idk I guess nutra has good bulk powders but I've never went that route.. I do like the idea of no filler no flavoring route though
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    I hate waxy maize makes me feel like.crap. Vitargo for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    I hate waxy maize makes me feel like.crap. Vitargo for me
    Dude you don't even know! I took some waximaize for a few weeks about a year and half ago and every time it completely wrecked my insides.... Then outsides.... Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    I like WMS. You guys can just send it to me :-D
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    Where y'all purchasing your Vitagro?

    WMs gave me horrible GI issues as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    I don't see much point to take then before and during, either or should suffice, providing you're getting 4g leucine.
    That's exactly enough to maximize protein synthesis, any more is just being wasted..
    I'd probably throw some carbs in there to spike the insulin, stay anabolic... I believe JM recommends the biotest or glycofuse
    If you are gonna ad carbs intra do it towards the end of the workout so you still get the exercise induced GH release. Carbs directly pre, or even to early during can blunt that GH release.
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    Where y'all purchasing your Vitagro?

    WMs gave me horrible GI issues as well

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    For the money to be honest maltodextrine is the way to go. Still as fast acting as WMS or Vitargo but long lasting since it is complex. Vitargo is good but the cost is prohibitive. You can find it easily by just searching for bulk maltoldextrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    If you are gonna ad carbs intra do it towards the end of the workout so you still get the exercise induced GH release. Carbs directly pre, or even to early during can blunt that GH release.


    For the money to be honest maltodextrine is the way to go. Still as fast acting as WMS or Vitargo but long lasting since it is complex. Vitargo is good but the cost is prohibitive. You can find it easily by just searching for bulk maltoldextrine.
    malt is good! and it is dirt cheap. WM for me just seems to give me that extra little...mmph! but malt is way good for alot of things, and alot of products use it
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    and then you have the snag side of the coin -- ie, malto is crap

    cheap yes, and if used with proper understanding of its properties and limited to very specific timeframes of use..okay
    the problem arises however, with lack of understanding, and therefore faulty use

    many ppl are trying to improve body comp these days..lack of understanding on caloric micros (let alone macros) are impeding the majority (yes i said majority) of these individuals

    utilizing things like malto frequently - with the false impression that "hey, at least it's not sugar" - is the undoing of many bodycomp aspiring folks out there

    truly - i do not even utilize malto in postWO time
    if i need simple carbs, i can get them cheaper still than malto
    this makes malto essentially worthless in my outlook

    all that other stuff you guys are talking about (vitargo etc) - absolutely no need
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    and then you have the snag side of the coin -- ie, malto is crap

    cheap yes, and if used with proper understanding of its properties and limited to very specific timeframes of use..okay
    the problem arises however, with lack of understanding, and therefore faulty use

    many ppl are trying to improve body comp these days..lack of understanding on caloric micros (let alone macros) are impeding the majority (yes i said majority) of these individuals

    utilizing things like malto frequently - with the false impression that "hey, at least it's not sugar" - is the undoing of many bodycomp aspiring folks out there

    truly - i do not even utilize malto in postWO time
    if i need simple carbs, i can get them cheaper still than malto
    this makes malto essentially worthless in my outlook

    all that other stuff you guys are talking about (vitargo etc) - absolutely no need
    Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er

    Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post

    See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion
    Funny how everyone is diff lol

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    Man I wish I could copy and paste off FB from my phone, but a friend of mine who is a very successful coach in my state posted a great rant on FB about malto, the gist of it was, it's a processed sweetener with a glycemic index of 80-100 and sugar is 100. Point made I guess. I've never used any of these. May try Karbolyn on a clean bulk who knows.

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    I like karbolyn. Another one ive had.my eye on is glycofuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.
    better, but again not needed, and can be done thru proper real foods
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    See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion
    i coach too guys
    and yes, we all have our own differnet opinions, is the way the world works
    many paths, will lead to Rome

    fyi - i seem to do better for others, than i do for myself (in last stages of prep)..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Man I wish I could copy and paste off FB from my phone, but a friend of mine who is a very successful coach in my state posted a great rant on FB about malto, the gist of it was, it's a processed sweetener with a glycemic index of 80-100 and sugar is 100. Point made I guess. I've never used any of these. May try Karbolyn on a clean bulk who knows.
    actually, malto and dextrose are same GI (100), altho you will read malto has GI of anywhere from 105-145 depending on source..but malto has higher insulin index than does dextrose

    but GI is only half the story..GL (glycemic load) more appropriate, in context
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    Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department


    those things you mention, matty, are carbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0


    those things you mention, matty, are carbs
    I know LOL. I meant they dont help me performance wise. I feel.bloated and lethargic. However with vitargo or hbcd type products theres a noticible increase in performance. Sorru im.typing on my phone.so maybe i wasnt making myself.clear because im lazy LOL
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    For a preworkout carb source i much prefer vitargo or hbcd products over malto, dextrose or wms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    I know LOL. I meant they dont help me performance wise. I feel.bloated and lethargic. However with vitargo or hbcd type products theres a noticible increase in performance. Sorru im.typing on my phone.so maybe i wasnt making myself.clear because im lazy LOL
    hmmm..not too sure about that one, bud
    i understand bloating, and if that is the difference for you (ie bloating on certain things but not others), then that is valid for you
    but - saying that one of these carbs makes one perform better than any other..huh uh
    not buying it
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    For a preworkout carb source i much prefer vitargo or hbcd products over malto, dextrose or wms.
    btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    better, but again not needed, and can be done thru proper real foods

    Agree!

    i coach too guys
    and yes, we all have our own differnet opinions, is the way the world works
    many paths, will lead to Rome

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    fyi - i seem to do better for others, than i do for myself (in last stages of prep)..
    this is not an anomaly either, even coaches need coaches sometimes
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    actually, malto and dextrose are same GI (100), altho you will read malto has GI of anywhere from 105-145 depending on source..but malto has higher insulin index than does dextrose

    but GI is only half the story..GL (glycemic load) more appropriate, in context
    Good info snags I'm meaning here. I'm a noob when it comes to this stuff.

    His main point in that rant was geared more towards how he was sick of supp companies like AdvoCare advertise no sugar in products yet malto is an ingredient.

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    Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department
    I NEED carbs pre also. Fasted training especially legs is not for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0
    hmmm..not too sure about that one, bud
    i understand bloating, and if that is the difference for you (ie bloating on certain things but not others), then that is valid for you
    but - saying that one of these carbs makes one perform better than any other..huh uh
    not buying it
    Ill take a strong placebo effect. Im not a scientist i dont care much why it works but for me theres a huge difference. 35g wms preworkout i feel.like crap workout suffers. 35g vitargo feel good workout much better. Same with zero carbs pre workout, maybe i just never got used to training totally fasted but theres a noticible difference for me with carbs pre workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana
    That is exactly what I use!!
    48g egg white protein
    75g dry oats
    1 large banana
    Water and Ice
    All in a blender :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0
    btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana
    Right thats what works for you. From trial and error you know what works.for you best. I workout 5am daily just get up throw together a custom preworkout and off i go
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er

    That is exactly what I use!!
    48g egg white protein
    75g dry oats
    1 large banana
    Water and Ice
    All in a blender :-)

    Yum yum yum

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    Preworkout you use this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    His main point in that rant was geared more towards how he was sick of supp companies like AdvoCare advertise no sugar in products yet malto is an ingredient.
    absolutely
    the old catch-phrase "hidden glucose polymers" applies to many of these products advertised as "no-sugar"..
    when in fact, the ingredients (not understood by the average joe) do in fact play a major role in blood glucose levels and insulin response



    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    Ill take a strong placebo effect. Im not a scientist i dont care much why it works but for me theres a huge difference. 35g wms preworkout i feel.like crap workout suffers. 35g vitargo feel good workout much better. Same with zero carbs pre workout, maybe i just never got used to training totally fasted but theres a noticible difference for me with carbs pre workout
    this is an example of insulin-response, and why each of these items you mention have a different effect/response in you, individually

    is why NONE of these can be called the be-all/end-all, because metabolisms are different on an individual basis
    so, there is no right nor wrong answer here..

    hence the old saying: "whatever works for you"
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