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  1. 11/28/2012

    Felt a lot better this session. The thermogenic effect of PA hit me full force today. It appears to do so during fasted workouts, whereas the thermo effect is weaker when doing fed training. Strength was up for upper body. One new thing I am noticing with PA is that I'm getting more sore from session to session, but that my recovery (ability to maintain strength in back to back sessions) is improved. But the increased soreness has definitely been prominent in my biceps and lats, both of which never get sore.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    11/28/2012

    Felt a lot better this session. The thermogenic effect of PA hit me full force today. It appears to do so during fasted workouts, whereas the thermo effect is weaker when doing fed training. Strength was up for upper body. One new thing I am noticing with PA is that I'm getting more sore from session to session, but that my recovery (ability to maintain strength in back to back sessions) is improved. But the increased soreness has definitely been prominent in my biceps and lats, both of which never get sore.
    Glad to hear it went better today. What would you compare the soreness to? Drying out like on EPRO or just breaking down muscle tissue? Could be a good sign of growth if it's the tissue itself. In any case good update coop.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Glad to hear it went better today. What would you compare the soreness to? Drying out like on EPRO or just breaking down muscle tissue? Could be a good sign of growth if it's the tissue itself. In any case good update coop.
    Muscle tissue. I think comparing it to the DOMS from arachidonic acid would be fair.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Muscle tissue. I think comparing it to the DOMS from arachidonic acid would be fair.
    Had me thinking this as well
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  5. Solid thermo observation coop. Like I've said before, your feedback on PA has been awesome. Keep killin it man.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    11/28/2012

    Felt a lot better this session. The thermogenic effect of PA hit me full force today. It appears to do so during fasted workouts, whereas the thermo effect is weaker when doing fed training. Strength was up for upper body. One new thing I am noticing with PA is that I'm getting more sore from session to session, but that my recovery (ability to maintain strength in back to back sessions) is improved. But the increased soreness has definitely been prominent in my biceps and lats, both of which never get sore.
    I've definitely noticed this as well. When do you workout? In the a.m.? I'm curious to the half-life of this product bc I usually take my PA in the morning around 7 or 8, but i've been noticing that when I consume some caffeine in the evening around 5 or 6 that the thermogenic effect is magnified much greater again compared to caffeine + no PA. It's interesting breaking into a sweat in a 70 degree room just sitting at a computer.

    As for soreness.... It's nothing like being on DAA or a test booster and having little to no soreness at all the next day or two. Strength is still there even though i'm sore as hell.

    Good observations Coop.
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    Idk how I missed your first post on this. Scranton's a hike, at least a couple hours drive, but if you're down, I'm down
    If i come out to visit my cousins and i know about it in advance i will give you a heads up. Ill make the drive,
    Could you google it and let me know how far? So i could possibly talk my mom into it

    come hit up you and illa for a shady maple visit? never been there...
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  8. The dysfunction of multiquote is killing me.

    AZMIDLYF, Distilled Water - Thanks guys! I highly doubt it's any fatty acid based on the white powder, but I could be wrong.

    MonteCedillo - It really does remind me of arachidonic acid in this regard. I'm getting more sore, and in unusual regions, but I'm also gaining strength.

    The Solution - It's 2 hours and 15 minutes away if you follow the speed limit (mapquest). I'd kill for some shady maple though. And I haven't seen illa in far too long.


    New effect - Is it possible that PA improves muscle glycogen replenishment? I find myself able to increase both volume and training frequency without my usual drops in strength mid-way through the session or between sessions. Even for a bulk, the improved recovery with respect to energy metabolism seems rather noticeable.

    Old effects-

    Vascularity - persistent and awesome
    Thermogenesis - trained fasted this morning and it hit full force. Definitely related to fed vs fasted state
    Soreness - still getting extra sore in unusual regions despite a surplus of calories and a standard training protocol.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    New effect - Is it possible that PA improves muscle glycogen replenishment? I find myself able to increase both volume and training frequency without my usual drops in strength mid-way through the session or between sessions. Even for a bulk, the improved recovery with respect to energy metabolism seems rather noticeable.
    I'm in complete agreement with you on this effect. I saw improvements with strength endurance and recovery pretty early on and it has continued to get better. At this point, the ability to maintain strength throughout a workout has changed quite a bit. It has also been making physical workdays much easier to get through.
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  10. New effects seem to be on par with the rest, it's pretty awesome.

    I've been on here for 7 years and I still don't know how to use multi-quote correct. I just copy & paste, not really sure what that says about my intelligence....
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    The dysfunction of multiquote is killing me.

    AZMIDLYF, Distilled Water - Thanks guys! I highly doubt it's any fatty acid based on the white powder, but I could be wrong.

    MonteCedillo - It really does remind me of arachidonic acid in this regard. I'm getting more sore, and in unusual regions, but I'm also gaining strength.

    The Solution - It's 2 hours and 15 minutes away if you follow the speed limit (mapquest). I'd kill for some shady maple though. And I haven't seen illa in far too long.


    New effect - Is it possible that PA improves muscle glycogen replenishment? I find myself able to increase both volume and training frequency without my usual drops in strength mid-way through the session or between sessions. Even for a bulk, the improved recovery with respect to energy metabolism seems rather noticeable.

    Old effects-

    Vascularity - persistent and awesome
    Thermogenesis - trained fasted this morning and it hit full force. Definitely related to fed vs fasted state
    Soreness - still getting extra sore in unusual regions despite a surplus of calories and a standard training protocol.
    Great update coop. Seems this week the product has really gotten interesting for you. These new effects have me curious for sure.
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    How good is the maple? Who says i cant take a vacation and come visit
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    MonteCedillo - It really does remind me of arachidonic acid in this regard. I'm getting more sore, and in unusual regions, but I'm also gaining strength.
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    ArA + LCLT would make sense, but the capsule is so small? Seems like the adequate dose of LCLT to carry fatty acid into the mitochondria wound need to be 1-2g? And at that, how much ArA would be in the capsule? enough to saturate? Very interesting... The soreness does seem to be on par with ArA like you said. I'm tempted to pick up some low dose asprin lol. Can't foam roll enough soreness out. Here's another observation that makes me wonder about it being ArA.. more oily skin than normal.... And increased body temperature possibly from all the inflammation caused by ArA?

  14. Multiquote isn't working on AM again:


    LTL - Yes it has, and the effects have been persistent (hence my lack of updates until now).
    The Solution - You have now idea what Illa and I downed last visit. The volume bro.
    MonteCedillo- It's definitely not ArA since that's already patented for performance enhancement. But there are a whole array of fatty acids out there with potential to thrive in humans.


    So, here are the old effects. As promised, I won't bore you stating them day in and day out. But to recap, here's what I've noticed every day or almost every day that I've been on PA:


    1. Thermogenesis when taken fasted. Even moreso when combined with caffeine. And damn near intolerable when combined with EC .
    2. A very prominent rise in vascularity. This includes boners.
    3. A noticeable increase in appetite. Could be total coincidence but over the course of this log, I've been craving proteinaceous and carb foods, versus my usual tendency towards carbs + fat.
    4. Increased soreness, especially in regions where I never experience soreness.
    5. A gain in bodyweight, through both diet and possibly supplementation. Fat mass has increased but LBM is also quite noticeably improved, despite poor lifestyle habits (poor diet, lack of sleep, sedentary, high stress).


    And the reason for this update. A new effect that I've noted consistently over the past week:


    Energy. Having taken most of my doses fasted without stims this past week, I can say that there seems to be some sort of mood/alertness increase after taking this. It's definitely not a CNS stimulant type feel, but I guess this could be either some sort of peripheral adrenergic agent or simply one of those non-stim energy boosters (i.e. glucuronolactone).


    Any idea when the ingredient will be unveiled, USPLabs? If you know me, you know I'm very eager to see what you're playing with here .


    Anyway, final dose tomorrow, and appropriately so, as it will be preworkout, fasted, leg day.

  15. The vascular increase was very evident in a recent pic posted by our buddy breezy. Sounds like the appetite increase is similar to Anabeta. The craving of carb and protein rich sources makes it sound steroidal! Good shÓt all the way around my brother! Excited to give this a go!
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    Hope you dont go to shady maple on AP. You may clear house.
    I heard Spaz ate like 5 plates of steak.. lol!!!
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  17. Any MCTs that could elicit any of these effects?
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  18. LTL - I'll have an after pic for ya tomorrow for some perspective.

    Bob - I put down close to 10k cals when we went. I was in the final week of a long cut, and a low bf% did quite a number on my appetite.

    AZM - Doubtful. MCTs are still triglycerides.

    I noticed the same effect today (my final dose) as I did yesterday. All in all, I am quite pleased with the product and pleasantly surprised. USPlabs has taken a more evidence-based approach with recent formulations, and I can't wait to find out what the ingredient here is.

    The review will come tomorrow (or this weekend) once I have the after pics and adequate time.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    LTL - I'll have an after pic for ya tomorrow for some perspective.

    Bob - I put down close to 10k cals when we went. I was in the final week of a long cut, and a low bf% did quite a number on my appetite.

    AZM - Doubtful. MCTs are still triglycerides.

    I noticed the same effect today (my final dose) as I did yesterday. All in all, I am quite pleased with the product and pleasantly surprised. USPlabs has taken a more evidence-based approach with recent formulations, and I can't wait to find out what the ingredient here is.

    The review will come tomorrow (or this weekend) once I have the after pics and adequate time.
    Sweet! Great log coop! All info with no filler! Looking forward to the review bud.
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    Cant wait to see the before/after pics. Nice work Cooper.
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  21. Looking forward to it bud, good stuff in here.
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  22. Outstanding Log of this stuff!

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by MonteCedillo View Post
    ArA + LCLT would make sense, but the capsule is so small? Seems like the adequate dose of LCLT to carry fatty acid into the mitochondria wound need to be 1-2g? And at that, how much ArA would be in the capsule? enough to saturate? Very interesting... The soreness does seem to be on par with ArA like you said. I'm tempted to pick up some low dose asprin lol. Can't foam roll enough soreness out. Here's another observation that makes me wonder about it being ArA.. more oily skin than normal.... And increased body temperature possibly from all the inflammation caused by ArA?
    I'm a bit saddened by this guess. if true, It would seem like a ploy instead of a breakthrough.

    From our due diligence (the legal work and expense behindfiling a patent), this compound has never been used commercially.

    I personally think the sorness is from lifting heavier and more intense.



  24. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I noticed the same effect today (my final dose) as I did yesterday. All in all, I am quite pleased with the product and pleasantly surprised. USPlabs has taken a more evidence-based approach with recent formulations, and I can't wait to find out what the ingredient here is.

    .
    i'm confident once we release the ingredient. There will be a fast track in China to make it...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Energy. Having taken most of my doses fasted without stims this past week, I can say that there seems to be some sort of mood/alertness increase after taking this.

    1. Thermogenesis when taken fasted. Even moreso when combined with caffeine. And damn near intolerable when combined with EC .

    Any idea when the ingredient will be unveiled, USPLabs? If you know me, you know I'm very eager to see what you're playing with here
    Yes
    Yes
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    VERSA-1 IC release is January 8th..click on any Patent Pending anabolic banner on AnabolicMinds and it will lead to a sign up thread. If you're already a member, no need to sign up again.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    Yes
    Yes
    and
    VERSA-1 IC release is January 8th..click on any Patent Pending anabolic banner on AnabolicMinds and it will lead to a sign up thread. If you're already a member, no need to sign up again.
    Awesome, I'm already a member, really looking forward to this.

    By the way, I am intentionally and unintentionally holding off on the final review. First, because it's exam week for me, but second, because I want to evaluate for 1-2 weeks post-use how I am effected. A great way to realize how something might have been helping you is by analyzing what happened since you stopped using it. And so far, appetite has decreased but noticeable fat and/or water gain has increased. I will wait another week though to be sure.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Awesome, I'm already a member, really looking forward to this.

    By the way, I am intentionally and unintentionally holding off on the final review. First, because it's exam week for me, but second, because I want to evaluate for 1-2 weeks post-use how I am effected. A great way to realize how something might have been helping you is by analyzing what happened since you stopped using it. And so far, appetite has decreased but noticeable fat and/or water gain has increased. I will wait another week though to be sure.
    Given the depth and value of other updates, this sounds like a phenomenal idea. Here's a link for anyone looking for more info http://www.versa-1.com/
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    I'm a bit saddened by this guess. if true, It would seem like a ploy instead of a breakthrough.

    From our due diligence (the legal work and expense behindfiling a patent), this compound has never been used commercially.

    I personally think the sorness is from lifting heavier and more intense.

    I can certainly tell from day 1 of using this product that this isn't a ploy. No need to be saddened brother... just the curiosity in me, thinking out loud. Lol don't take offense to my futile guessing of what this product might be. I am excited for the IC release of Versa-1!

  29. Out of all the companies whose ingredients are easy to guess, USP Labs is not one of them lol.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Out of all the companies whose ingredients are easy to guess, USP Labs is not one of them lol.
    No kidding! It's even a chore to get the correct pronunciations, let a lone guess what's in it. I've got flash cards made for proper pronunciations in prep for the Arnold, but seriously....
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