Charging Down The Highway to Huge: The Xenoandrogens Log
- 08-09-2012, 12:06 AM
Charging Down The Highway to Huge: The Xenoandrogens Log
Over the past couple of months, Patrick Arnold's forum on AM has been polluted with a thread in which a new class of "steroid alternatives" called xenoandrogens has been discussed exhaustively. Xenoandrogens are nicotinamides, tocopherols, and tocotrienols that have been modified to more closely resemble testosterone. Apparently, the xenoandrogens that are being sold as dietary supplements were invented in a laboratory in Central Europe, and an Austrian-based company called Mega Gear purchased the patent rights to these compounds and is currently the only company manufacturing and selling xenoandrogen-based supplements.
I ended up ordering a 12-week cycle's worth of two of their products: Danabol (oral tablets) and Testobol-250 (oil-based). I will be taking 5 tablets per day of Danabol and 3.5 mL per week of Testobol-250. According to an employee of Mega Gear, the oil-based products are most efficacious if injected, although I was also informed that in order to legally sell them as dietary supplements, they must be advertised as being specifically intended for oral dosing. If I decide to inject the Testobol-250, I will use 23 or 24 gauge needles. Otherwise, I'll administer it sublingually.
The log begins tomorrow.
- 08-09-2012, 12:28 AM
08-09-2012, 12:30 AM
08-09-2012, 01:00 AM
Thanks guys. This is the first time I've actually logged anything, so if I'm doing something wrong here or could be doing it better, just let me know. I'll see about getting a few "before" pics uploaded to the thread, too, but honestly, I had no idea that I actually looked this bad, so I might have to think about it, LOL.
08-09-2012, 01:09 AM
08-09-2012, 10:07 AM
sounds pretty sketchy to be injecting something from an unknown / reliable source. be careful with that man, wouldnt want you to end up with a nasty infection or anything. are you sure the oil base is sterile?
08-09-2012, 12:58 PM
08-09-2012, 05:02 PM
08-09-2012, 05:27 PM
08-09-2012, 08:39 PM
08-09-2012, 08:41 PM
08-09-2012, 08:57 PM
“Beastmode is when you can not possibly go any further, but then you make a conscious choice to move forward”.
08-09-2012, 10:31 PM
Quick question: if I open one of the vials of Testobol-250, would that render it non-sterile? I figured it would, but I just wanted to be sure.
08-09-2012, 10:33 PM
08-09-2012, 10:41 PM
BTW, today I worked out back, biceps, and shoulders; I did lat pull-downs, machine rows, close-grip cable rows, underhanded pull-downs (I really love how these feel), and a few sets on the underhanded Hammer Strength rowing machine (unfortunately, the ROM on this kind of hurts my shoulders). For biceps, I did the plate-loaded preacher curl machine and cable hammer curls.
I forgot to mention earlier that I have labrum tears in both shoulders (left worse than the right), so I haven't been able to do really "heavy" weights on many exercises (definitely nothing you guys would consider to be heavy). I have been doing physical therapy exercises for my shoulders for the past few months (mostly rotator cuff exercises), so those along with lateral raises make up the bulk of my shoulder regimen. I also added in machine shoulder pressing about a month ago, but I need to be really, really careful about not exacerbating my shoulder injuries. This is also why I don't do a lot of free-weight (I.e., deadlifts) exercises.
08-09-2012, 10:49 PM
08-09-2012, 10:57 PM
08-10-2012, 10:47 PM
08-10-2012, 11:02 PM
So you purchased a product meant to be injected and you are going to take it sub lingual?. Sorry that's just not gonna work. You can't just change the delivery system. If it was designed to be taken sub-lingual then it would have to have a delivery system.
08-10-2012, 11:05 PM
08-10-2012, 11:08 PM
Anyways, today and yesterday, I took 5 tablets of Danabol (modified nicotinamide). Since I'm supposed to run the "cycle" for 12 weeks, I probably won't notice anything until weeks 5-6 (according to the guys at Mega Gear)...
08-14-2012, 05:46 PM
So I talked some more with the guys at Mega Gear and flat-out told them I wasn't really eager to inject their products. In response, they told me that their oil-based products are manufactured not in-house, but actually by a third-party pharmaceutical company (allegedly "the largest one in the Czech Republic") that manufactures veterinary drugs as well as human drugs. I was also told that, most likely, I wouldn't get ANY results at all by taking the oil products orally or sublingually. At least they were honest.
So now that creates the dilemma of whether I should risk injecting this stuff or take it orally and completely waste it.
08-14-2012, 05:49 PM
Man up and inject it! You paid for it, youre "testing" the product to see if it actually works. Stop if you get side effects.. problem solved.Originally Posted by SpicedCider
08-16-2012, 06:40 PM
Still alive?. I know they have internet access at most hospitals, so maybe you could give us an update?
08-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Bro not to be mean...but science can not be wrong about this things...I just hope you are ok and this things don't hurt your health...(which I doubt too...maybe a mild diarrhea if you do take them orally...)
>SNS-Glycophase<Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep
08-17-2012, 12:05 AM
It's probably just a coincidence, but I guess it's worth mentioning that over the last 2 days, I've developed 4 zits on my face (I usually have really clear skin). Again, I doubt it has anything to do with increased hormone levels from taking Danabol, but you never know, right?
Also, I just thought about something earlier... if I'm supposed to take these products for 12 weeks, how am I supposed to know if any progress I do make is actually due to the Danabol or just natural (I.e., I still would've progressed to the same extent even if I hadn't been taking anything)? Isn't it normal for most people to exhibit some degree of improvement, whether in the form of strength or mass gains, over the course of 3 months?
08-23-2012, 12:50 AM
So today (Thursday) will mark 2 weeks of taking Danabol. So far, I haven't noticed any effects, although I did get a mild almost-outbreak of acne (they never turned into full-blown zits). I'm still trying to figure out what to do with the Testobol-250 (oil). Since I'm supposed to cycle these products for 12 weeks, Mega Gear claims that I won't notice any results until the 5-6 week mark. We'll see...
09-12-2012, 10:28 PM
Whatever happened here? The guy inject and go into coma? Seriously lol is the guy alright?
09-13-2012, 12:44 AM
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