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    ***AMV3 Final Review////PCT Log***


    Thanks for following my AMv3 log! Thank you NATTYDISASTER for hooking me up with Erase Pro! this will be the final review of it and the start of my PCT log so here we go.

    start weight = 186 ----- 9% end weight - 192 7.5%


    start date for AM - 1/19 end date - 3/15


    Endurance - 10/10 This product shines here

    Vascularity - 7/10 got better as i continued the cycle

    Strength - 4/10 I will explain why after i rate each category

    Gains - 6/10 wasnt looking for BF deduction

    Acne - 0/10 the longer i took it, the less my acne was on my face

    Libido - 4/10 my libido is there, but not as much. feel shut down right now


    Thoughts: I train three times a week. I think thats problem number one for ANY cycle. I dont have time to train more than 3x/week, but if i could, i would go 4 - 5 times on Andromass. I really think that is why my strength gains werent that great. i did gain strength in some categories, but not much and i think going only 3x hurt me. Also, this product seems to be VERY diet dependent. It seems very versatile in means of gains. you can cut with it, recomp, or clean bulk. for me, this acted like a recomp cause apparently i wasnt eating enough. The endurance on this is insane. that is one reason why i would LOVE to go lift 4 - 5x a week. I felt fresh each time in the gym and didnt want to leave. Vascularity just got better and better the longer i stayed on it. I added in anabeta around week 6 and it just exploded. awesome. Strength - I already explained why I think my strength gains were not great. Gains I already explained that. Acne - I started out with acne on my face and back. As the cycle went on, it got less and less and now i hardly have any. Libido is low right now. got lower and lower as the cycle went on. it is still present, but not near as much. Any questions about my run with andromass, just ask on here! thanks.


    Future Suggestions: I would run this 9/9/9/6/6/6 training 4 - 5x a week and on a dirty bulk (minus sugars). Once i started to let my diet get a bit dirty, i started to see some mass gains. I would also still take DAA at night with Toco 8 to limit suppression.


    Alright guys, thanks for reading my review of andromass. Now lets get started with PCT!


    Erase Pro- 1 cap with breakfast

    IGF 2 - 4 caps in the morning, 4 caps before bed

    TCF 1 - Mid day

    Toco 8 - At night before bed

    Anabeta - 1 cap 4x spread out throughout the day

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    Damn bro not much work left to do for your cut lol! Great log btw!!
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    Great job big man and the PCT looks like the train should keep rolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean5er View Post
    Damn bro not much work left to do for your cut lol! Great log btw!!
    hahaha. i know right.

    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Great job big man and the PCT looks like the train should keep rolling.
    yeah thats what i was going for with this PCT. no regressing here
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla
    Thanks for following my AMv3 log! this will be the final review of it and the start of my PCT log so here we go.

    start weight = 186 ----- 9% end weight - 192 7.5%

    start date for AM - 1/19 end date - 3/15

    Endurance - 10/10 This product shines here

    Vascularity - 7/10 got better as i continued the cycle

    Strength - 4/10 I will explain why after i rate each category

    Gains - 6/10 wasnt looking for BF deduction

    Acne - 0/10 the longer i took it, the less my acne was on my face

    Libido - 4/10 my libido is there, but not as much. feel shut down right now

    Thoughts: I train three times a week. I think thats problem number one for ANY cycle. I dont have time to train more than 3x/week, but if i could, i would go 4 - 5 times on Andromass. I really think that is why my strength gains werent that great. i did gain strength in some categories, but not much and i think going only 3x hurt me. Also, this product seems to be VERY diet dependent. It seems very versatile in means of gains. you can cut with it, recomp, or clean bulk. for me, this acted like a recomp cause apparently i wasnt eating enough. The endurance on this is insane. that is one reason why i would LOVE to go lift 4 - 5x a week. I felt fresh each time in the gym and didnt want to leave. Vascularity just got better and better the longer i stayed on it. I added in anabeta around week 6 and it just exploded. awesome. Strength - I already explained why I think my strength gains were not great. Gains I already explained that. Acne - I started out with acne on my face and back. As the cycle went on, it got less and less and now i hardly have any. Libido is low right now. got lower and lower as the cycle went on. it is still present, but not near as much

    Future Suggestions: I would run this 9/9/9/6/6/6 training 4 - 5x a week and on a dirty bulk (minus sugars). Once i started to let my diet get a bit dirty, i started to see some mass gains. I would also still take DAA at night with Toco 8 to limit suppression.

    Alright guys, thanks for reading my review of andromass. Now lets get started with PCT!

    Erase Pro- 1 cap with breakfast

    IGF 2 - 4 caps in the morning, 4 caps before bed

    TCF 1 - Mid day

    Toco 8 - At night before bed

    Anabeta - 1 cap 4x spread out throughout the day
    Gained 6lbs and lost almost 2% body fat, that's acceptable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Gained 6lbs and lost almost 2% body fat, that's acceptable...

    and i got sick and lost 6 pounds and gained it all back and then some
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    Nice results R1 and beneficial info.
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    3/16 Friday

    Going to hit arms and squats today. will dose TCF 1 pre workout with superpump. it actually tastes decent. was expecting worse. its not great, but not bad at all. when i was drawing up the liquid, i flicked the syringe to get the air bubbles out hahaha guess its a habit! will update this entry throughout the day

    blasted arms today. hit em real hard. no weight change. not much to say on first day of PCT. gonna start DC training Tuesday. Tues/Thurs/Sat but im gonna change the routine a little bit maybe. not sure yet. Ill keep updating this entry if i think of anything or have any issues about anything im taking.
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    TCF1 is probably the only DAA product I have not tried. Curious to hear your take on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    TCF1 is probably the only DAA product I have not tried. Curious to hear your take on it.
    well, the syringe is 5mL and you have to take 10mL/day. the label says take it for 12 days then take 12 days off then repeat. i have heard of this type of dosage before, but for PCT usage, im gonna stay on it everyday. 10mL has 3.12g of DAA which is normal. tastes fine. no need to mix it with a drink or anything unless you really dont like the taste.
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    Any GI distress from it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla

    and i got sick and lost 6 pounds and gained it all back and then some
    Which is pretty duckin legit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Any GI distress from it?
    so far, nope

    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Which is pretty duckin legit...
    i know right
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    3/17 Saturday

    Really sore from yesterday. Hammys, quads and arms are really sore. wanted to blast them because i wont be in the gym until tuesday. starting DC tuesday so im pretty excited. DC always works great for me. been off of it for about 6 weeks or so so im pretty stoked about starting it back up. body still looking lean but muscles look full. back looks really think but ripped. i slept 10 hours last night and still felt tired when i woke up so i think maybe the IGF 2 is making me stay in REM too long. i will monitor this. never had this problem before. will update my sleep though tomorrow
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    Thanks for the review R1.
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    Thank you for the review bud

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    In. I was watching your Other thread an it got away from me, how many bottles did you run and what was the dosing like?

    Will you get bloods done? I'd like to see them since you are going with OTC pct.

    Keep up the great work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRigg View Post
    In. I was watching your Other thread an it got away from me, how many bottles did you run and what was the dosing like?

    Will you get bloods done? I'd like to see them since you are going with OTC pct.

    Keep up the great work.
    i had blood work done about 4 weeks before i started AMv3. the only thing i remember is my estro was in normal range (forget the number) and my test was at 786 or somewhere very close to that. i can get blood done after PCT if you guys want.

    i dose 6 caps/day with breakfast and fish oil for 8 weeks. i got sick for a weekend and lost 6 pounds so that threw everything out the window. so for being sick and still got to the weight i did is impressive
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    3/19 Monday

    Not training today. starting DC tomorrow. really excited. Libido is starting to get back up there. acne is starting to come up and so is aggression. got in an argument the other night with a friend and punched my garage lol i do have a short temper and usually can control it. anyways, i dont know why, but i dont think im staying in REM long enough when i sleep. im sleeping for around 8 hours and still feel tired. over the weekend i got 10 hours and still felt tired. really weird. i dont wake up at all though. i feel more fresh throughout the day though, just when i first wake up i feel like i havent slept as long as i really had slept.

    sooo excited to hit the gym tomorrow!!
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    3/20 Tuesday

    First day of DC training. My A day. ill post up here what i did in a sec. man i killed it today. Im gonna also explain ALL the supplements i am taking (other than the ones for PCT). training was intense today. really felt good to get back after 3 days off. I never do shoulder press because i really screwed up my front del back in '08. today was the FIRST time since '08. the size/proportion of my shoulders are one of my strengths but i never lift them. go figure right?

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    Creapure -
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    Superpump MAX blue raspberry ice -
    1 1/2 scoops each workout

    Fish Oil

    Bio Mend

    MAP by PP -
    used either post workout with my meal or whenever i cant eat i drink that

    Pre - Max -
    sometimes i use this about an hour before i go to the gym

    100% Whey protein -
    make my own weight gainer usually about an hour before lunch if i am able. If not, i take it at night or 1 hr after my post workout meal.

    Training ( DC)

    BB Bench - Worked with 225 today. wrist is still somewhat bothering me so didnt want to go 100%. my wrist is at around 90%

    Smith BB Shoulder Press - worked with 185 today. didnt want to kill my shoulders today since it was my first time. I set the bench at about 80 degrees so not ALL the stress is on my shoulders. I wanna see how they react to it since it was my first time in a while

    EZ Bar Skull Crusher - worked with 80

    T Bar Row - Ronnie Style? idk what its called. use the 45lb bar on the ground and put the V Bar under it. worked with 3 plates and a 25

    Pullups wide grip - body weight for the 3 sets

    Flys - did 2 sets of machine flys to really stretch the pecs. I also did DC stretch on everything but i love ending with deep slow flys on chest days

    After my workout, I did a few sprints up and down the basketball court then walked around the court twice to cool down. i should be very sore tomorrow no doubt.

    Any questions about dosing of products or my workout just holla!
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    3/22/12 Thursday

    Today was B1 day. Did legs and biceps. Its been about a week since i started this stack so everything should be kicking in now so i expect to see some gains starting up. a couple things to say so far: my girlfriend has told me twice this week that i look more vascular. a friend in nursing school randomly told me i look buff today hahaha its good to see that my size/shape is actually getting better on PCT. my veins are popping out in places ive never seen before. they are also becoming more prominent in my wrist/low forearm. im a pretty vascular guy in general, but even in the mornings when i first wake up....if i wanted to get blood drawn up, they wouldnt need to squeeze my arm to get the vein to pop. im loving it!!! i am up 1/4 of a pound. i know its not much, but im impressed because i actually look and feel leaner than i did a week ago. not by much, but i can tell in my back a little and my biceps. also, i tested by BF % today at the gym but wanted to give the electronic a try. ive done it before, and i know its not right but just for kicks..... when i got it done a week ago, it read 6.5% and the calipers came out 7.5% . today, it came out 6.0%. i know thats not right, but maybe i am a LITTLE bit leaner and im actually up 1/4 of a pound. anyways, here is what i did in the gym

    BB Curl - worked with 100

    Rope Curl - machine. go by feel and did negatives with DC on this one. go try that one day, its killer

    Leg Press Calf Raises - did 5 plates on each side for 20 reps with 30 second rest/pause 3 sets

    Leg Press - 7 plates on each side

    Leg Extensions - same theory as rope curl. high reps with rest/pause and negatives.


    ended the session with a few sprints and walking for 1/2 of a mile


    what you guys think so far?
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    subbed bro, that sounds great so far what the erase pro is doing pct. Nice, i also had bad luck w andromass v1, although i ran it 2 weeks it screw my muscle and i felt like crap on it, i think i even got fatter from the 2 weeks but i learned my lesson and im staying the phuck away from ph or designers for life (or untilll they creat a ph that doesnt shut you down and gives you gains haha unlikely but i have faith.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinivan View Post
    subbed bro, that sounds great so far what the erase pro is doing pct. Nice, i also had bad luck w andromass v1, although i ran it 2 weeks it screw my muscle and i felt like crap on it, i think i even got fatter from the 2 weeks but i learned my lesson and im staying the phuck away from ph or designers for life (or untilll they creat a ph that doesnt shut you down and gives you gains haha unlikely but i have faith.).

    peace

    PS i have high hopes for the erase pro, so far i been reading some great things. following your log fo sho.

    cheers
    AMv2 produced solid gains, and i had a wrong misunderstanding of Amv3. i didnt think it would lean me out. i did gain muscle on it (even when i got sick and lost weight, i gained even more back), i also lost body fat which is not what i was looking for
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    AMv2 produced solid gains, and i had a wrong misunderstanding of Amv3. i didnt think it would lean me out. i did gain muscle on it (even when i got sick and lost weight, i gained even more back), i also lost body fat which is not what i was looking for

    What i mean is that i see a trend of people using andromass (and ive seen it with both versions) where it does give some gains but then pct useres loose more than gained or gain a lot of fat and soften up therefore ending up the same or even worse than pre cycle. That happend to me. Although it would be unfair to rate the gains of andromass from only 2 weeks usage, for me those 2 weeks on it i didnt see gains, felt sick flu like symptoms (maybe from my natural hormones getting shut down) crazy lethargy. When started pct also took some time for my hormones to get back to normal but with all that together i ended up looking worse overall.

    I am back to normal now 2 months plus later and it feels so good to have a natural libido (high for me as it was before) , sense of wellbeing and being able to see your body respond to training as usual and growing. Plus , there is some great natural supps out there that deliver real gains (like anabeta for me and ursobolic ) that it is really not worth for me anymore.

    glad you like the andromass, but i hated feeling shut down and the gains that these designers deliver is not worth the hassle. Maybe pp will come out with a ph that doesn't shut you down and that delivers the gains that it claims. Maybe one day soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinivan View Post
    What i mean is that i see a trend of people using andromass (and ive seen it with both versions) where it does give some gains but then pct useres loose more than gained or gain a lot of fat and soften up therefore ending up the same or even worse than pre cycle. That happend to me. Although it would be unfair to rate the gains of andromass from only 2 weeks usage, for me those 2 weeks on it i didnt see gains, felt sick flu like symptoms (maybe from my natural hormones getting shut down) crazy lethargy. When started pct also took some time for my hormones to get back to normal but with all that together i ended up looking worse overall.

    I am back to normal now 2 months plus later and it feels so good to have a natural libido (high for me as it was before) , sense of wellbeing and being able to see your body respond to training as usual and growing. Plus , there is some great natural supps out there that deliver real gains (like anabeta for me and ursobolic ) that it is really not worth for me anymore.

    glad you like the andromass, but i hated feeling shut down and the gains that these designers deliver is not worth the hassle. Maybe pp will come out with a ph that doesn't shut you down and that delivers the gains that it claims. Maybe one day soon.
    Sorry but from this post I see a lack in the understanding of how to use any hormonal products. Most users are keeping gains through PCT as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    Sorry but from this post I see a lack in the understanding of how to use any hormonal products. Most users are keeping gains through PCT as well.
    I agree...

    PP makes the safest PH around, and v2 mass cause some bloat I am more than satisfied. Ryan put it best, why would u want to feel all fat and bloated like a pregnant woman when you can just have leaner cleaner gains.

    Shinivan: Either way like Ryan said from that post I would stick to OTC herbs and supplements
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    3/24 Saturday A2

    Today i showed up to LA at 8pm and saw it was closed. i had the idea to bring up a 3 day pass to 24 hour on my phone and just do that so i did and they let me in. i was getting scared i wasnt gonna be able to workout today. didnt weigh in cause it was late and i didnt think about it cause i wanted to get to the gym and get home.

    Incline BB - worked with 200

    Standing DB arnold press - worked with 45s

    Close grip bench - i was so tired when i did this so i only was able to work with 165. usually i can do 185 DC

    Lat Pulldown - worked with 175

    Deadlifts - worked with 225. dont like to go real heavy on these. all about form and control. i also shrug the bar at the top of the stance. GREAT trap workout. gets me sooo sore.

    all of these i did a warm up of 15 reps then did 3 sets DC style
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    im going to workout tomorrow, wednesday and friday for this week. not extremely sore today, kinda surprised. recovery on this stack is showing up pretty good!
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    how are you doing 3 working sets with DC training? Recommended is 1 set 10-15 rest pause reps.
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    I think his 3 working sets means the 3 RP sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    I think his 3 working sets means the 3 RP sets.

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    i do a warmup of 15 reps then a 3 minute break (somewhere around there). then i do my first set of 12 reps followed by 30 sec break then 6 - 8 reps then 30 second break then 2-4 reps then stretch
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
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    i do a warmup of 15 reps then a 3 minute break (somewhere around there). then i do my first set of 12 reps followed by 30 sec break then 6 - 8 reps then 30 second break then 2-4 reps then stretch
    I did DC for a bit, I definitely liked it, but it wasn't a fit for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I did DC for a bit, I definitely liked it, but it wasn't a fit for me.
    this is the best 3 day routine for me other than the one i created and during school, i only have time to go 3x a week so i cycle my own routine with DC. sometimes i add more volume to DC as well.
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    i dont think i did a week 1 review, so here it is

    Week 1 Review


    Endurance - 8/10 not as good as while on AM, but for PCT, its great

    Pump - 8/10 not as good as AM, but its pretty darn close.

    Recovery - 10/10 really great so far! im not getting as sore and it doesnt last as long either. my body feels refreshed as well

    Libido - 7/10 its only week one, so cant expect too much, but i can really feel it getting alot higher.

    Strength - 5/10 i rated it a 5 because nothing has changed that much. at the end of PCT, i will go back to normal training to see where i stand. hard to tell on DC. Those of you who have done DC know what i mean.

    Sleep - 10/10

    Anxiety - 3/10 mainly from school

    Acne - 4/10 not much, it comes in spurts but im also taking medicine and started to tan again

    Really feel full and body pump all day. really vascular now. not really any new veins showing, but the ones that show are more prominent. i feel pretty dry right now. have a slight stomach bloat but im still clean bulking until this stack is over then i will do a slight cut then recomp/clean bulk for the summer


    Im in the middle of week 2 now, and that update was my thoughts for end of week 1, i just forgot to post a review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
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    i do a warmup of 15 reps then a 3 minute break (somewhere around there). then i do my first set of 12 reps followed by 30 sec break then 6 - 8 reps then 30 second break then 2-4 reps then stretch
    gotcha. I did DC for a few months last year, definitely awesome / deadly, lol.
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    3/26 Monday

    Great workout. LOVING this stack for PCT!!!! would suggest it to anyone running androseries stuff!!! havent taken TRS products all at once, but I am sure that is great as well. I am only going to weigh once every week. Therefor i wont stress or flip if im not gaining. I can keep on going and eating good then see what i weigh each week. I will weigh in on Wednesday since it will be the last workout for my first half of the stack.

    Close Grip EZ Bar curl - warmed up with 50 x 15 3 sets DC with 90

    DB Hammer - 3 sets with 50s

    Squat - Stretched before and after each set. stayed at 225

    Standing Deads - worked with 185. This kills my lower back and i already have a vertebrae thats too close to another one that causes me back pain so i stayed relatively light.

    Donkey Calf raises - 3 sets with 90
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Sorry but from this post I see a lack in the understanding of how to use any hormonal products. Most users are keeping gains through PCT as well.
    Mm, Well, this is just my opinion and personal experience, which has coincided with a lot of guys using mass that ive read reviews or logs from. I see people starting their first 2 weeks with stuff like "i feel bloated, softer, libido has suffered, etc" kind of observation.
    I will tell you straigth, this is what is happening in the body when you take andromass or any other ph. Weeks 1-2 you start shutting your own production of hormones, you will have a hard time gaining muscle and loosing fat, libido will suffer, and all the good stuff. Since you are inducing an external hormone you will gain accordingly to what this new hormone will provide. Since andromass is not test, you wont gain like test, feel like you do on test or gain what you'd gain with test, etc. By the time you exit the exogenous hormone you will have a hard time loosing fat , gaining muscle. until the body comes back to the original homeostasis , if it happens that is cause there is no 100 percent guarantee you'll bounce back even w the best pct in the world.

    Yes, i will stick to natty supps , but i have learned the hard way. Like i said i read numerous time what shutdown felt like at even the smallest degree, but till i felt this i know ph are not for me. I have nothing against pp, and in fact i love the company and love their products, however, i think what is wrong is to market something as "safe" or literally "side free" ph product when it actually has the same bad effects that regular ph share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinivan View Post
    Yes, i will stick to natty supps , but i have learned the hard way. Like i said i read numerous time what shutdown felt like at even the smallest degree, but till i felt this i know ph are not for me. I have nothing against pp, and in fact i love the company and love their products, however, i think what is wrong is to market something as "safe" or literally "side free" ph product when it actually has the same bad effects that regular ph share.
    I respect your opinion to stay natural, no push to have you try a PH if you are not ready or don't want to. But these products claims of safety are backed by bloodwork. All testers bloodwork was completely analyzed before release.
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    3/28 Wednesday

    Couldnt do everything i wanted cause i went to the gym at night and it was packed. i usually go around 4 before the after work people arrive. oh well. at least i went. btw, i really like the fact the erase pro is only one capsule.

    DB Bench - worked with 90s

    Hammer Strength Incline - 100 on each side DC

    Tricep Rope Extension - 3 sets DC

    Skull Crushers - 4 sets, not DC. warmed up with 50s x 15 70 x 12 80 x 10 90 x 8

    BB Row - 185

    going to the gym early tomorrow so i will get a two week update up here tomorrow after i weigh in and all.
  

  
 

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