AK's Preworkouts DeathMatch! Craze, SPMax, Lit-Up, Pumpbol, Ultima, etc..
- 12-01-2011, 09:27 AM
AK's Preworkouts DeathMatch! Craze, SPMax, Lit-Up, Pumpbol, Ultima, etc..
So I just got my tub of DS Craze finally,
still sealed but I will pop it open soon enough.
Since I have a bunch of different prewo (and I tried *a lot* more)
I decided to do this deathmatch, mentally run thru them and just write down
my experience with them.
Also to do a small review of Craze since it seems a whole new game in
prewo dept. and compare it with my favorites prewo so far.
Would have been nice to add also Supersize and UltraReps (I won them)
but I didn't receive 'em yet, maybe I'll add them later.
Disclaimer: no pimping is gonna happen in this 3d, only real, honest
So let's start with the one I've been using this month,
Pbol is stim free, it became my favorite stim free
Taste 7/10: It taste ok for me, doesn't bother me,
is not the best tasting prewo ever but I have no
problem keeping it in my mouth and squish it around
every sip (that's how you're suppose to take it).
It's a bit sour and it numb by tongue a bit but w/e
Mixability 9/10: Keeping in mind that it has nitrates
in it, it mixes pretty well, quick shaking and it's done,
really lil residue at the bottom which you easily swallow
with the last sip
Focus/Nootropic effect 6/10: is not meant to
have much of a nootropic effect, this product
doesn't really help with focus BUT, with that said,
the crazy pumps that gives you do have - while not
a nootropic effect - a good drive and motivation as
Pump 10/10: I never cared much about pumps,
never hunted down products that give you pump really
not I tried a lot of pump oriented ones, but
this thing is no joke: pumps on Pbol are just insane,
never experienced anything like it before.
Do they last for hours like TL claims? Hell yes!
They last the whole damn day and more, on leg day
is just painful for days (and I'm used to DOMS and i actually want
them every wo). But the pumps with this one are not just aesthetic
at least not for me: what I feel is a deeper muscle stimulation
since the very first warmup set. This is why it became my fav
stim free pwo and one of my top5 overall.
Energy 6.5/10: I'm spoiled with prewo, I train fasted and
I can tell the difference between a prewo that gives you actual
energy, it's a very important part of a prewo for me.
Pbol being stim free lacks of that energy that others give me,
same goes for endurance, doesn't really help with that, despite this,
once again, the muscle stimulation is so strong that somewhat helps
going on, at the same time pumps can get really painful
Price/Servings 8/10: I use this at 1 scoop,there are 42 servings meaning, it last a month and a half
for me working out 6 days a week. Pretty good if you ask me
and another thing to be notices is the packaging is amazing
and it comes with a mini plastic tub so you can bring your serving
in your pocket without taking the big tub with you.
I tried dosing it at 1.5 and 2 scoops, in both cases the effects
didn't change, at 2 scoops nitrates seem to give me a lil bit of headache.
Nice thing about stim free, you don't really need to overdose them.
Overall experience: Very good product, I like other products fromTL and this one is indeed very cost effective, stackable, and the perfect choice
for me when taking time off stims. I always keep a tub of it on the shelf.
all for now, I'll go on later
- 12-01-2011, 09:41 AM
Nice review. I've never tried pump-bol but I've tried a similar PWO dosed higher in nitrates (creatine and BCAA), pump aspect is off the charts. I didn't recognize any tangible benefits beyond a pump unfortunately.
- 12-01-2011, 09:47 AM
I've never tried creatine nitrates, Pbol has beta ala nitrates and arginine i think,
like i said, it does lack in energy and focus really but the muscle stimulation is indeed
real, it last a ridiculous amount of time and considering I use to cut the prewo completely
when going off stims, this one is nice. I added in past 150/200mg of caffeine to it
and it does the trick. Cheap, effective.
12-01-2011, 09:55 AM
12-01-2011, 10:20 AM
12-01-2011, 11:47 AM
Gaspari SuperPump Max
I took more than one tub to understand this one
at first I wasn't too fond of it, but later on I discovered
the reason was because I was used to 1,3, which yes,
it works but f#ck that sideways.. I don't do 1,3 anymore,
I hate it.
So here we go
Taste: Grape 7.5 - Watermelon 8/10
Grape tastes pretty much like every other grape
sup, which I like.
Watermelon is pretty awesome, I'm a fan of
watermelon flavor tho', but this one is pretty good
It mixes ok, you need to shake it tho
but if you shake it too much it gets a bit foamy
which I hate. 7 tho' because there's no residue
Not really where it shines, but it does give you
some sort of tunnel vision, I'll explain better later in
the energy part, but it does help with focus indeed.
Nothing crazy, but good
Not much of a pump product for me at least,
once again, I don't really care I wouldn't even
put this as a "category" but I did because of Pbol
This one gives you some vascularity but is more
due to the energy that gives you, driving you to push more
than the product itself.
Best part of the product.
The energy is jittery free, and it's quite a lot
A sup that you can indeed "feel" coming, it find it
great for strength and hypertrophy workouts,
it's the best you have to "call" a massive effort, ya know?
A short burst of power, that's when I find this one giving the
best performance, it does help with endurance too, but
more for big weights than higher/lighter reps
The energy lasts for all my 2+/3 hours workout
and I get no crash after.
It's pretty steady overall but once you know it
and pay attention you can feel the "curve" of the energy
going down a bit during time. I hit quite some PR on this one.
I use 2 scoops and even so, the product is not only well priced,
but I can't remember NOT finding a deal somewhere on this one
and you always end up paying it a lot less, and for a very effective product.
I'll admit it, it's a pretty good bonus
Prewo are not all the same.
Meaning - beside the obvious - some seem to be cut
for a specific kind of wo, or a situation
For this one I took 3 tubs to really understand it
but once I did it, it became one of my usual prewo (since I cycle them all the time)
I actually keep track of when I'm gonna use it vs workout program, because like I mentioned
i did hit some good PR on this one exactly due the most noticeable effects on hypertrophy
and power wo.
Never an issue with stomach or anything like that with it.
12-01-2011, 01:30 PM
12-01-2011, 08:13 PM
12-01-2011, 10:09 PM
Why aren't SAN Fierce or Launch on this list?! PM me for samples so you can add to your review thread
12-01-2011, 10:18 PM
12-02-2011, 04:12 AM
This one use to me my fav stim free..
lately I found out it causes me such an odd
reaction that I can't use it anymore
let's get to it
Better than the previous version but still
kinda bad. I'm not a fan of lemon/lime flavors
but - just to compare another one - Pbol
Especially considering that you're suppose to hold it
in your mouth before swallowing, well it's pretty bad lol
It mixes ok, it dissolves pretty quickly and
adding more water makes the flavor a bit better,
Here's the problem.
Without getting into details the nootropic matrix on this one
is *hella potent*, too potent. Too weird.
In my opinion NOT meant for workouts. I use to take HALF
scoop of it and it was already quite a lot, why? Because the thing
makes me sleepy and "slowed down". You focus, but you focus on
EVERYTHING around you, not your workout. I focus on dust in the corner,
a fly in the room, a random thought.. But this last run, working out
fasted in the morning - while I usually have no prob waking up and be
full power within 40 min - after taking it had the hardest time getting started,
keeping concentration and the whole wo felt like I was dragging myself around.
I managed to have good workouts DESPITE it. I tried different dosing and timing
effect is the same.
The most annoying thing is this: it completely killed my aggression. You take
that out of me, I'm done. I couldn't care about the world when on this and couldn't
for the life of me reach that mind/muscle connection. Plus the more I took, the worse
it was, even in split doses.
Not a pump product really, never noticed - nor expected - pumps from it.
If you take a look at the formula, this thing is top-notch,
it has ALL the good stuff and more, I think it has the longest
ingredient list of any other prewo, but really it might be a bit
too much, or it might not be the one for me because well,
it ain't working that good.. Being stim free it lack on that energy rush
we're used to get from stimmed prewo, and there is really no much in
the "performance enhancement" either, how could it be when it makes you
sleepy? The only thing I might have noticed is overtime you get some endurance
going on but it's more like dragging yourself because you feel in this odd state
It's not cheap at first glance, but the 40 servings EASILY turn into 80 servings for me
and the product has so many ingredients, dosed to high that you'd save on
probably 70% of your sups with this.. Would have been great, if it worked lol
Nonetheless, price/serving ratio is great on paper.
I use to mix half scoop of Ultima with pretty much any stimmed prewo
before (version V2) for concentration boost, I've never noticed the bad
sleepy effect that I'm getting with the V3 version, don't know if the formula
changed that much, or is me reacting differently for some reason, bottom line is
for me this one became a big no-no.
Maybe before bed when you have hard time sleeping, but def not prewo.
12-02-2011, 04:19 AM
I would like to see some Beast Mode in this review pm me your shipping info if interested and I will try and get the Beast guys to send some out to you.
12-02-2011, 04:41 AM
VPX No Shotgun MHF-1
I liked this one quite a bit in past,
for several reason, but I built tolerance to
it quickly and despite I cycle prewo even month
or two, despite I took a year+ off from this one
it kinda stopped being effective like it was at first
Taste: Watermelon 8.5/10 Lime 2/10 Grape 7/10
Watermelon is one of the best tasting sup, I'd drink it
just for how much I liked it, grape taste like every other grape
sup, maybe a tad better, a fan of both, lemon/lime is just gawdawuful bad
I tried once and tossed the whole tub for how bad it tastes.
The product can be considered "old" somehow,
I think VPX came out with a new prewo recently,
this requires some work to be mixed well, and the scoops
are pretty damn big, a lot of powder and if you use it at
2 scoops like me it requires a lot of water to mix,
but there's one thing I've always hated about it:
when you shake it it gets *foamy*, like thick a## foamy
and the foam is nasty, you can toss it but you will toss quite some
product along with it, so whether you wait for it to die
or you swallow and try to keep the stuff down :/
Not a nootropic/concentration oriented product,
it give you some "drive" but is more due to the stims
than some actual action on your brain, I wouldn't pick this one
if one's looking at that on a prewo
Pumps on this are there, better than SPMax in this, by lil but better.
Especially vascularity, nothing crazy like Pbol but definitely it makes your
blood flowing nicely and pump you up, especially during wo and it also
kicks in pretty freaking fast.
Best part of the product imo. NoShotgun at 2 scoops
use to give me plenty of stimmed energy, jittery, nervous, snappy
exactly what you need sometimes, I'm not after that kind of prewo anymore
but energy-wise, this one delivers big time.
Again, similar to SPMax it's great for hypertrophy and rage-driven kinda
workouts, increases my aggression (big time actually) and
you can feel bursts of energy during workouts. It also help with endurance,
but make sure you time it well because as opposed to SPMax this one will give you
a crash when it fades away, pretty noticeably too.
For today's standards is a bit pricey, stimmed prewo
prices went down a bit with the "concentrated", considering I needed
to run this at 2 full scoops is not the best deal.
NoShotgun was one of the first prewo I use to use regularly
but as mentioned in the beginning, I built tolerance to it pretty
quickly, I stopped using it at all for more than a year, maybe two
and recently got a tub, I was running it at 3 scoops and got really
lil out of it, it just doesn't work on me anymore.
One very good thing to say about it tho', is that I noticed
I *always* lean out with on it, even recently - despite the other
effects were "watered down" - probably because that touch of Redline in it,
dunno, but it gives plenty of vascularity and definitely helps with fat loss.
Crashes are not too bad, but they are there, nothing compared to the 1,3 but
still.. I remember working quite well with the No Synth, that happened years ago
but I remember thinking they were more like one product split in two tubs.
12-02-2011, 05:07 AM
12-02-2011, 05:13 AM
12-04-2011, 06:53 AM
Applied Nutriceuticals Lit-Up
At the moment this is my favorite preworkout,
and really what I'm interested here to see if
Craze will take the crown against this one
Let's break it down:
Taste: Cherry (old) 7.5/10 Peach 7./10
While I am NOT a fan of cherry flavored sups
at all, and at first I didn't like this one so much
either (wasn't offending but..) it totally grew on me.
An acquired taste I'd say. I started to love it the more
I used it and I found out adding just a lil but more water
to it made it very good. That's the only reason I'm not giving
it 8 on 10, since the new cherry is suppose to be less "strong"
most likely that'll get a full 8.
Peach is ok, it has some alcohol-y taste that I'm not quite
sure about, but is ok. If you mix one scoop of each tho',
they get surprisingly awesome try it!
It mixes well, no problems here,
just a bit of residue but really nothing.
As for right now I get the best nootropic
effect from this one. I'm VERY sensitive to nootropics (see Ultima)
and too much or some of them just fcuk up with my head
instead of helping me. I wanna say what DOESN'T happend with Lit-Up: I
don't get sleepy, paranoid, distracted, overfocused (staring at random things)
Instead I'm very concentrated in a very natural way, and I STAY concentrated
for the whole wo (2/3hours). It improves my aggression nicely without turning me
into a walking weapon of mass destruction.
Pumps are nothing noticeable on this one, but w/e as said
before I care not about that.
This is gonna be hard to describe as the energy you get from this
is not a burst, not a rush that hits you fast and hard and then fades
but instead it slowly enter your system, clearly making you feel plain stronger.
And the *best* part is, it lasts. It lasts more than any other prewo I've tried
and since my sessions are way too long, this is probably what makes it the best
atm for me. Even at my last set I can still feel it working, well I can tell the difference
when I'm not using it, so yeah, definitely.
Good point also is NO crash at all, never experienced a crash from it,
end up on the floor panting and almost passing out because of the great wo? Yes
but that's what I'm after. It's a very versatile kind of energy too, I wouldn't say
this one is for endurance more than hypertrophy, it works the same and it works well
on all my workouts.
I use it at two scoops, that's also how you get the full daily
dose of sodium DAA contained in it. Taken this way the price
is slightly more then other prewo because one tub will only be 20
servings but you also get the DAA not only a prewo, so it ain't bad.
Now if you wanna lower it down a bit .. I'll welcome that
'nuff said I guess, this is right now my fav,
I look forward a direct comparison with Craze as A) they are priced the same,
but Craze (as I read around) is usually used at 1 scoop, 1.5 max, and it should
be cheaper if that's the case, B) Craze seems to be a whole new game and of course
I'm interested to see if it's gonna be better than my favorite.
About the DAA in Lit-Up, in my book is a great addiction, it seems to really work well on me
because the effects on strength seem to improve with use, alpha-male feeling,
better mood and well, overall is just a great product that i miss when I cycle it off.
Doesn't happen often.
12-04-2011, 07:25 AM
Ive been looking arund for a good stim free product. Thanks for posting those reviews!
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12-04-2011, 07:39 AM
12-04-2011, 08:23 AM
Im not a big fan of Lit Up cherry either but I may give it another try to see if it "grows" on me as well
Thanks for the review bud!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
12-04-2011, 10:48 AM
Wow, sick thread, I'm in! Can tell your itching to try craze!! From my experience, it shouldn't let ya down! It's good stuff!
I pick things up... and i put em down...
12-04-2011, 11:03 AM
An Ultima sample I used put me to sleep too
Excited for your thoughts on Craze, to me its the greatest discovery since I first ingested caffeine.
12-04-2011, 11:52 AM
Glad to have you all here guys
I've loved all the DS products so far
I cycle prewo constantly to keep 'em working, it'll be nice to have this one in the loop as well.
for several days, the effect was repeatable every time. Big let down, I really wonder if one could benefit (since I still have 3/4 of a
tub) of the ingredients before bed or something like that..
Yep I'm itching badly to try Craze feedback left and right are nothing but great
12-04-2011, 01:48 PM
Ultima makes me sleepy also. I feel strong in the gym with it but feel lethargic.Originally Posted by AutoKal47
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12-04-2011, 03:47 PM
12-04-2011, 04:04 PM
literally dragging myself thru the wo, and most important for me, it KILLED my aggression.. Man you take
that away from me we have a problem :/ So unless Craze makes me SO hyper that I actually have to calm down
lol, I can't see using Ultima prewo anytime soon (that would be pretty awesome tho' )
I was under the impression that Craze wasn't much about stims, especially
having only 80mg of caffeine x scoop, but I'm reading around some people
really feel the stims in it, I guess is the PEA metabolites?
Ah, just few days and I'll get on it (probably it'll fall on legs day or back..)
12-04-2011, 04:10 PM
Its something else for me man, if you like volume(and I know you do) and if you respond well to Craze it will be your new favorite pre. I hear you on the Ultima though, the one time I used it I was mentally in the zone for like 30 minutes then caught myself literally falling asleep on the bench like wtf
Craze is something else, I hope the Genomyx pre coming out soon(Protocol Evolved) surpasses it in the strength test for me though. Like PE on Power days, Craze on volume days. On Craze I'm too impatient and bust right into the next and sometimes it brings my strength down just because I can't give myself enough rest, my progress on it already has been stellar though. These 2-3 hour gym sessions are ****ing awesome on 2 scoops of Craze
12-04-2011, 05:02 PM
but I need to stop leaving tubs open and yes you know, I do like volume indeed bro
I read on FB about the new Genomyx prewo, and I'm looking forward to it big time
and always up for beta-testing and logging, I do trust Genomyx, no doubt
12-04-2011, 05:29 PM
12-04-2011, 05:39 PM
The price isnt that bad I do think considering all the solid ingredients (TMG, DAA, Sam-E, etc). Only thing I wish was it had more serving per tub as I use it daily. On workout days for pre workout and off days I just drink two scoops in the morning when I wake up.
Again don't hesitate to hit me up if you need a discount to get more
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
12-04-2011, 06:09 PM
could work here in EU :/ would be nice if it was because well regardless,
I don't see Lit-Up leaving my shelf regardless, like I said atm is my fav
and I do cycle prewo, I can't imagine not getting more of it anytime soon
I do take it everyday the 6 days on and lol the 1 day off
seemed silly to stop the DAA for ONE day off
Yeah some more servings would be a great plus
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