KLEEN - Satisfies his Needtobuildmuscle with Transaderm - An NTBM Sponsored Log

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  1. Good luck brother. Best to listen to your body, and do whats right for you. If you start up a new LOG for anything be sure to hit me with a link. Thanks for the info about the liver on my thread, definitely made me feel better.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Good idea man, dont wanna take your HPTA system down to 200 or something. What will you do to raise your levels you think? And coming off a stinging nettle root your SHBG should have been lowered freeing up some test right? What other pathways will you try to access to get more test/ less conversion into estrogen?

    Also, dont let this get too far into your head Mood can affect hormone levels too I find.
    Thanks man, I still need to talk to RickRock. I wish I had the cash to buy some HCGhenerate I know that would lick this for sure, but I don't so I will try using the bottle of Bridge I have which has about half the dose of the Fadogia and I plan on using some Formula X I have on the way. It has LCLT and 3 grams of DAA per serving. I have some Testopro which I will run more than likely depending on what I come up with. So that is a good month worth of stuff right there. I will have to add some type of mucana product or high doses of vitamin b to counter the prolactin elevating side effect of DAA so either I will add in Ghenerate, PowerFULL or Bulk 1-Carboxy.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thanks man, I still need to talk to RickRock. I wish I had the cash to buy some HCGhenerate I know that would lick this for sure, but I don't so I will try using the bottle of Bridge I have which has about half the dose of the Fadogia and I plan on using some Formula X I have on the way. It has LCLT and 3 grams of DAA per serving. I have some Testopro which I will run more than likely depending on what I come up with. So that is a good month worth of stuff right there. I will have to add some type of mucana product or high doses of vitamin b to counter the prolactin elevating side effect of DAA so either I will add in Ghenerate, PowerFULL or Bulk 1-Carboxy.
    yea HCgenerate is pricey. I have heard that high dose Vit B6 can actually have negative effects on the androgen receptor, I'm not 100% sure on the research, but I have heard some steroid guru's state that mega dosing Vit B can have negative effects on test levels. Just something to think about.

    Good luck man, hopefully rick will let you run this short recover cycle to get your test levels back.
    RecoverBro ELITE

  4. Yeah I have powerfull and generate both have mucana so more than likely one of those will be used. Probably powerfully to go ahead and use it before it gets old. I have had it a little bit.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  5. Chris, do you think using l dopa for months on end could have side effects ?
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  6. From everything I have read no. WITH a 5 on 2 off dosing pattern it can be used without any attenuation or sides.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  7. You know you better than anyone else and I'm sure Rick will completely understand. Shoot me link when you get back up and running as I am always grateful to be allowed to benefit from your knowledge and training routines.


    Good Luck
    "THE DARK SIDE"

  8. Chris I was kind of wondering when you started this, you are in pretty much the same boat as me and I had decided to wait till the new year. I did make a comment but I though Chris knows what he is doing and this is pretty mild but I think you've made a good decision to opt for recovery....
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73

    Thanks man, I still need to talk to RickRock. I wish I had the cash to buy some HCGhenerate I know that would lick this for sure, but I don't so I will try using the bottle of Bridge I have which has about half the dose of the Fadogia and I plan on using some Formula X I have on the way. It has LCLT and 3 grams of DAA per serving. I have some Testopro which I will run more than likely depending on what I come up with. So that is a good month worth of stuff right there. I will have to add some type of mucana product or high doses of vitamin b to counter the prolactin elevating side effect of DAA so either I will add in Ghenerate, PowerFULL or Bulk 1-Carboxy.
    Returned your PM brother. I'm doing my best to get you set up with some HCGenerate. I know a lot of people would be very interested in that bloodwork. If I have to I may just send you one out of my personal stash for now...I will let you know something soon my man
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    You know you better than anyone else and I'm sure Rick will completely understand. Shoot me link when you get back up and running as I am always grateful to be allowed to benefit from your knowledge and training routines.
    Will do, and thanks for the compliment!

    Good Luck
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Chris I was kind of wondering when you started this, you are in pretty much the same boat as me and I had decided to wait till the new year. I did make a comment but I though Chris knows what he is doing and this is pretty mild but I think you've made a good decision to opt for recovery....
    Yeah I had thought about it pretty hard but with how awesome I felt on the EndoSurge I figured my T Levels must have been up pretty high. That just tells you what the Testosterone Freeing capability of it is. With my own levels not too high it was still about to give me major boost and a 3 lb gain while getting a tiny bit leaner. I mentioned to Rick that I had some concerns about it when i started but in the end went with what my impression of my testosterone levels were instead at least until I got the results.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Returned your PM brother. I'm doing my best to get you set up with some HCGenerate. I know a lot of people would be very interested in that bloodwork. If I have to I may just send you one out of my personal stash for now...I will let you know something soon my man
    Excellent! I got your PM and appreciate the understanding of the situation. I guess when you get shut down on something for a while it is pretty easy for you to feel pretty recovered even when in low normal range. For now I am running my T911 and a little testopro I had lying around. If the HCGenerate comes through I will start a new log with it in the title.

    In the interim let me go ahead and talk about my workout from this morning which in no way reflects low test levels.

    Bench - 135x8, 225x8, 250x8, 255x6 > 205x3 - I got an 6 last time with 250 and 255 is the highest I have been since surgery.

    HS Rows - 45x8, 90x8, 95x8, 100x10>55x10 - I didn't try to go up on these this time I just made sure to have nice clean pulls and get a good contraction. I hit back thickness pretty hard on the Dead lifts which is where my strength effort is on the back thickness at this point. These are just for added volume and good muscle contraction through a full range of motion.

    Dips- BW+90x8, BW+90x10, BW+90x10 > BWx12 - Added volume and shoulders are feeling the cold weather the dips were aggravating them a little bit. I figured the extra volume would take care of them and it sure did.

    Squats - 135x12, 225x12, 245x12, 275x12 > Front squats 135x12 Just wanted to do something a little different here. The front squats acually felt really good too. I may see about doing them instead for a little bit. @75x12 was the highest I have been since my hip issue. Not bad at all and no hip pain.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    yea HCgenerate is pricey. I have heard that high dose Vit B6 can actually have negative effects on the androgen receptor, I'm not 100% sure on the research, but I have heard some steroid guru's state that mega dosing Vit B can have negative effects on test levels. Just something to think about.

    Good luck man, hopefully rick will let you run this short recover cycle to get your test levels back.
    my personal experience says this is wrong-at least in my case...i mega dose vit6 often and my t level is at an all time high.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  12. Well once you are fully recovered you're going to get a lot more out of this in the long run...I was just saying on Phins thread that I will blow up come new year.. look out!!
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  13. Good move Kleen. TRT will b there when u r ready.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Well once you are fully recovered you're going to get a lot more out of this in the long run...I was just saying on Phins thread that I will blow up come new year.. look out!!
    I think so too. I have no doubt I can recover beyond this. I just haven't given myself the right amount of time. Good to stop and fully recovery before I hit up anything hormonal that could blunt recovery or or worse get my body used to a lower level of testosterone.

    Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Good move Kleen. TRT will b there when u r ready.
    Thanks Morry. Sometimes it is hard to reign in the desire to continue bull dozing through things via sheer will and fortitude. That is after all how those of us who live for this game are designed isn't it?
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html
  15. Accessory weights.


    I didn't get a chance to post up in here yesterday regarding the lift it was an accessory day. Here is the workout very little rest and was in and out in less than 35 minutes once warmed up. Was sweating something fierce when it was all said and done. I have not heard back from Rick yet so I assume he did not hear anything back from NTBM on the HCGenerate. Not a big deal but I will be starting a new more generic log some time this weekend that accurately portrays what I am doing to increase my testosterone levels. I will definitely pick up logging the RS-Transaderm as soon as my testosterone levels are back up to snuff. I will more than likely be running some Bridge in my quest for testosterone optimization also since I have a bottle of it.

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    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  16. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73
    I didn't get a chance to post up in here yesterday regarding the lift it was an accessory day. Here is the workout very little rest and was in and out in less than 35 minutes once warmed up. Was sweating something fierce when it was all said and done. I have not heard back from Rick yet so I assume he did not hear anything back from NTBM on the HCGenerate. Not a big deal but I will be starting a new more generic log some time this weekend that accurately portrays what I am doing to increase my testosterone levels. I will definitely pick up logging the RS-Transaderm as soon as my testosterone levels are back up to snuff. I will more than likely be running some Bridge in my quest for testosterone optimization also since I have a bottle of it.

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    PM sent to you earlier bro. Check your inbox. Send me your shipping info and we will get a bottle of HCGenerate out to you. I'm anxious to see what the bloodwork looks like after a good run of it.
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  17. AWESOME! I had just checked it and nothing but went back and saw the PM. Too weird! That rocks! I will post a new log up this weekend for that. Very cool!
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  18. Hehe. Good luck man. Hope the hcgenerate gives your natty test a boost!
    Should be good.
    RecoverBro ELITE

  19. Yeah the I have used HCGen before with what felt like great results. I will have a baseline to go from on this one which will be good. Even if I can't get my levels all the way back up to over 600 I will just use EndoSurge and still kick ass. I got 3 lbs out of it with sub par levels. Says a lot about the Free Test increase right there.

    The HCGen should be nice though. lots of testofen in there which I would rate my second favorite ingredient for increasing free test and a relatively close second to Divanil. I know my libido is probably going to get crazy on this one.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  20. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73
    Yeah the I have used HCGen before with what felt like great results. I will have a baseline to go from on this one which will be good. Even if I can't get my levels all the way back up to over 600 I will just use EndoSurge and still kick ass. I got 3 lbs out of it with sub par levels. Says a lot about the Free Test increase right there.

    The fadogia and testofen(fenugreek extract) is a great combo for freeing up test. Should help out considerably.
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  21. Yeah the fadogia will give me the boost in production I need and the testofen should really amplify it. I am looking forward to it for sure.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  22. Great log. Looking forward to seeing what HcGenerate will do to your T.

  23. Kleen, you going to log this here? Or start a new one?
    RecoverBro ELITE

  24. I picked up a couple bottles of fadogia when iForce was running that sale but I never used it. Felt I didnt know enough about it at the time.. Be sure to link me when the fadogia log goes up! Interested to see how it treats you
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    Great log. Looking forward to seeing what HcGenerate will do to your T.
    Thanks Frank!

    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Kleen, you going to log this here? Or start a new one?
    I will start a new one. Nothing like coming to a log labeled one thing and finding out it is for a completely different product.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I picked up a couple bottles of fadogia when iForce was running that sale but I never used it. Felt I didnt know enough about it at the time.. Be sure to link me when the fadogia log goes up! Interested to see how it treats you
    It is good stuff. There are some studies out there on it. I used the T-Force and it worked well. Add in that Free Test of AN's and you will have one hell of a ride.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html
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