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  1. Quote Originally Posted by gwls View Post
    Minimal detergent, light cycle... Something like a wool wash (which is what we do) and hang dry (weather permitting) if not I stick them on top of a radiator cabinet (we have central heating for winter)

    Been doing that over a year now, no issues at all
    Thanks!
    PESCIENCE.COM

    "The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates


  2. Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    Nothing beats a good broke in pair of wrestling shoes for leg work in my opinion. I hate squatting and or deads with my flippin' heels elevated.
    I just do em in socks
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  3. Yah I was looking at the New Balance version a few days back, they wanted 130 bucks for them. Seemed excessive to me...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  4. Quote Originally Posted by illriginalize View Post
    I just do em in socks
    If I am gonna do that (like if I brought the wrong shoes) I'll just DL or Squat barefoot.
    Recoverbro

  5. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    I love my vibrams!! I think I get a chance to talk about them in just about every one of Kleens threads!! ha ha
    And I always take the opportunity to remind you that God called and He wants His shoes back!!

    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."
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  6. Thumbs up Workout Log and RS-Transaderm Week 1 Review


    I am going to give my first week impressions of RS-Transaderm here so you have an idea of what to expect from a slightly higher than normal dose of the product. Keep in mind I came off a run of EndoSurge that had me feeling pretty high on the testosterone axis, so anywhere I mention things have not changed should be considered great and any improvements should seem that much more impressive.

    Alpha Male - I was already feeling very much like an Alpha on the Endosurge and the RS- Transaderm has not let me down on this aspect. I continue to feel a great amount of confidence and like I automatically command attention and respect when I walk in a room.

    Aggression - I have not experienced any increase in negative aggression that I or my wife has noticed other than sounding more aggressive due to vocal projection when on my pre workout which is typical of me when I am stimmed. So not anything negative here.

    Composition - It is to early to tell however I don't seem to notice much at this point. There are some visual changes but not sure if any actual change in body fat or muscular composition. I will touch on this comment in the sides section.

    Strength - I am already noticing an increase in strength that seem above and beyond the progression I was having even while on the testosterone booster. You will see this reflected in my workout posted below as I always comment on the difference between this workout and the one prior to it there.

    Size - I have gained about 2 pounds. However I know this is not muscle mass or at least not all of it. Once again I will touch on this in the sides section.

    Libido - Libido remains consistently high as it was before on the test booster.

    Appetite - My appetite has not increased but it was already high before. I will be seeing how this goes shortly as I have made a decision to begin a cut with my wife since she is cutting to make things easier on her.

    Sides - Here is the rub... Yeah PUN intended. Even though RS-Transaderm has some AI properties to keep the conversion to Estrogen lower, they do not appear to be sufficient even at one pump above a normal dose. I am obviously holding water and my abs have smoothed over a bit, making it hard to tell what part of the 2 lbs I put on this week is water and what is muscle. I am not overly excited about this and have decided as a 1-2 punch to try to keep my Testosterone elevated during the run as well as estrogen down I am adding in T-911 which has some natural SERMS in it as well as AI's. Thanks to ThunderGod for reminding me about it. I had some here saw it the other day and thought HMMMM. The he recommended it highly for this and I knew better than to second guess Thunder from his thrown high on the mountain!

    The Workout -

    Pull Ups - (Warmed up on pull downs) 165x8, Pull Ups - BWx8, BW+25 x8, BW+25 x8 > Chins BWx5 - these work sets were a little easier this week than last, I also got an extra 2 reps on the drop set to BW chins.

    Standing Military Press - 95x8, 135x8, 155x8, 155x10 > 115x6 - Nice increase here on reps! I only got 7 reps on my second set of 155 last week and got 10 this week. I felt I could have went up a little in weight so I pushed for more reps and got them. I also had 10 more lbs on the drop set this week and still got 2 more reps there. Strength is definitely up.

    Curls - 75x8, 125x4, 105x10 > 75x5 - This was a different set scheme last time I started at 125 and got 8 then dropped immediately. Here obviously I tired the biceps out a little with that first set and then skewed things with the second. I think next week I will start with 110-115 and see where I can progress from there to get a better read on what is happening here.

    Dead Lifts - 225x8, 315x8, 375x8, 380x9 > 315x3 - It has been 2 weeks since I dead lifted last. In that time MAJOR improvements have taken place here. My 3rd set then was 365x8, so up 10lb there, 4rth was 275x5, so up 5 lbs here and 4 reps, considering I did the weght I did before for only 5 on the first really heavy work set, and then went up to get 4 more reps than I could with it last week at a lower weight I am REALLY impressed with this.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  7. Awesome workout Kleen.

    Let us know when u get the estro under control.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  8. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I am going to give my first week impressions of RS-Transaderm here so you have an idea of what to expect from a slightly higher than normal dose of the product. Keep in mind I came off a run of EndoSurge that had me feeling pretty high on the testosterone axis, so anywhere I mention things have not changed should be considered great and any improvements should seem that much more impressive.

    Alpha Male - I was already feeling very much like an Alpha on the Endosurge and the RS- Transaderm has not let me down on this aspect. I continue to feel a great amount of confidence and like I automatically command attention and respect when I walk in a room.

    Aggression - I have not experienced any increase in negative aggression that I or my wife has noticed other than sounding more aggressive due to vocal projection when on my pre workout which is typical of me when I am stimmed. So not anything negative here.

    Composition - It is to early to tell however I don't seem to notice much at this point. There are some visual changes but not sure if any actual change in body fat or muscular composition. I will touch on this comment in the sides section.

    Strength - I am already noticing an increase in strength that seem above and beyond the progression I was having even while on the testosterone booster. You will see this reflected in my workout posted below as I always comment on the difference between this workout and the one prior to it there.

    Size - I have gained about 2 pounds. However I know this is not muscle mass or at least not all of it. Once again I will touch on this in the sides section.

    Libido - Libido remains consistently high as it was before on the test booster.

    Appetite - My appetite has not increased but it was already high before. I will be seeing how this goes shortly as I have made a decision to begin a cut with my wife since she is cutting to make things easier on her.

    Sides - Here is the rub... Yeah PUN intended. Even though RS-Transaderm has some AI properties to keep the conversion to Estrogen lower, they do not appear to be sufficient even at one pump above a normal dose. I am obviously holding water and my abs have smoothed over a bit, making it hard to tell what part of the 2 lbs I put on this week is water and what is muscle. I am not overly excited about this and have decided as a 1-2 punch to try to keep my Testosterone elevated during the run as well as estrogen down I am adding in T-911 which has some natural SERMS in it as well as AI's. Thanks to ThunderGod for reminding me about it. I had some here saw it the other day and thought HMMMM. The he recommended it highly for this and I knew better than to second guess Thunder from his thrown high on the mountain!

    The Workout -

    Pull Ups - (Warmed up on pull downs) 165x8, Pull Ups - BWx8, BW+25 x8, BW+25 x8 > Chins BWx5 - these work sets were a little easier this week than last, I also got an extra 2 reps on the drop set to BW chins.

    Standing Military Press - 95x8, 135x8, 155x8, 155x10 > 115x6 - Nice increase here on reps! I only got 7 reps on my second set of 155 last week and got 10 this week. I felt I could have went up a little in weight so I pushed for more reps and got them. I also had 10 more lbs on the drop set this week and still got 2 more reps there. Strength is definitely up.

    Curls - 75x8, 125x4, 105x10 > 75x5 - This was a different set scheme last time I started at 125 and got 8 then dropped immediately. Here obviously I tired the biceps out a little with that first set and then skewed things with the second. I think next week I will start with 110-115 and see where I can progress from there to get a better read on what is happening here.

    Dead Lifts - 225x8, 315x8, 375x8, 380x9 > 315x3 - It has been 2 weeks since I dead lifted last. In that time MAJOR improvements have taken place here. My 3rd set then was 365x8, so up 10lb there, 4rth was 275x5, so up 5 lbs here and 4 reps, considering I did the weght I did before for only 5 on the first really heavy work set, and then went up to get 4 more reps than I could with it last week at a lower weight I am REALLY impressed with this.

    Incredible week one review Kleen! Thank you very much for all your feedback! Interested in hearing what you think in another week or so...
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  9. Nice detailed review man! Looking forward to seeing how the rest of your transaderm works for ya!

  10. Awesome workout! Increasing strength and keeping the body composition stable. Nice man. I cant wait to start mine.
    RecoverBro ELITE

  11. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Here is the rub... Yeah PUN intended. Even though RS-Transaderm has some AI properties to keep the conversion to Estrogen lower, they do not appear to be sufficient even at one pump above a normal dose. I am obviously holding water and my abs have smoothed over a bit, making it hard to tell what part of the 2 lbs I put on this week is water and what is muscle. I am not overly excited about this and have decided as a 1-2 punch to try to keep my Testosterone elevated during the run as well as estrogen down I am adding in T-911 which has some natural SERMS in it as well as AI's. Thanks to ThunderGod for reminding me about it. I had some here saw it the other day and thought HMMMM. The he recommended it highly for this and I knew better than to second guess Thunder from his throne high on the mountain!
    I merely confessed with my mouth what you already believed in your heart. How should it not then come to pass? AMEN.
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  12. Based on your review how would Formastanzol stack with this when used at a higher dose.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  13. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    I merely confessed with my mouth what you already believed in your heart. How should it not then come to pass? AMEN.
    Love it!

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Based on your review how would Formastanzol stack with this when used at a higher dose.
    I think it would stack great, I think a lower dose would do nicely though maybe 3 pumps a day thne moving up to 6 or so during the PCT. The bottle of Forma lasts plenty long to do this also.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  14. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Love it!



    I think it would stack great, I think a lower dose would do nicely though maybe 3 pumps a day thne moving up to 6 or so during the PCT. The bottle of Forma lasts plenty long to do this also.
    Yah lower dose Forma but when using Higher dose Transaderm is what I was eluding to... yah you'd dose the forma only as needed.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
  15. Total Testosterone Results.


    Well I got several bits of info at the doctors today. First my bloodwork looks great as far as cholesteral, and my PSA came back perfect for Prostate anogens which I thought had been rather sensitive to diet pills and the like but not so apparently. It seems it is not my prostate causing me trouble but something else with urine flow. That is good and bad news. Bad because now I have to go to a uroligist and get a full workout including them shoving something up my urethra... Good in the fact that if I want to run a PH or DS I can without worry which is the reason I was actually not going to run them any longer. I may very well add in some Epi to this run in a pulse due to that. That or I thought about trying my hand at the Trenazone.

    Now for my testosterone levels, not quite what I had hoped for, but basically sealing the deal for me to crash them the rest of the way and go get on TRT. My total serum levels were only 487, in case you don't know that sucks! It isn't "low" by the dumb standard they use for the average range of people tested which includes un healthy people, but for the androgen levels by age it is pathetic. Here is a chart of averages done in studies by age groups. You will not my level falls in the 65-74 range and in the lower end of that actually. That explains why I get so much out of test boosters that free up testosterone, but don't seem to have major succes with ones that just boost total test. My levels are sub par and getting my free test up makes me feel like someone my age should.

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    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  16. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well I got several bits of info at the doctors today. First my bloodwork looks great as far as cholesteral, and my PSA came back perfect for Prostate anogens which I thought had been rather sensitive to diet pills and the like but not so apparently. It seems it is not my prostate causing me trouble but something else with urine flow. That is good and bad news. Bad because now I have to go to a uroligist and get a full workout including them shoving something up my urethra... Good in the fact that if I want to run a PH or DS I can without worry which is the reason I was actually not going to run them any longer. I may very well add in some Epi to this run in a pulse due to that. That or I thought about trying my hand at the Trenazone.

    Now for my testosterone levels, not quite what I had hoped for, but basically sealing the deal for me to crash them the rest of the way and go get on TRT. My total serum levels were only 487, in case you don't know that sucks! It isn't "low" by the dumb standard they use for the average range of people tested which includes un healthy people, but for the androgen levels by age it is pathetic. Here is a chart of averages done in studies by age groups. You will not my level falls in the 65-74 range and in the lower end of that actually. That explains why I get so much out of test boosters that free up testosterone, but don't seem to have major succes with ones that just boost total test. My levels are sub par and getting my free test up makes me feel like someone my age should.

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    1st off, if you are peeing to much and it's not prostrate, it could be your kidneys are making too much urine. 2nd-psi tests are nortiously inaccurate.

    as to your test, you are right-no doc will put you on trt with those numbers...i know you think they are low, but they have set ridiculous standards. tren will lower your total test way down, if thats what you are looking for.

    btw-look at the graphs, they have a 44 year old higher than a 25, lol.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    1st off, if you are peeing to much and it's not prostrate, it could be your kidneys are making too much urine. 2nd-psi tests are nortiously inaccurate.

    as to your test, you are right-no doc will put you on trt with those numbers...i know you think they are low, but they have set ridiculous standards. tren will lower your total test way down, if thats what you are looking for.

    btw-look at the graphs, they have a 44 year old higher than a 25, lol.
    I can always look on the bright side they are above halfway between low and the highest. What are your levels now being treated Big T? I mean there isn't much reason to worry about it if I wouldn't really go above what I am now on replacement therapy. I just know libido isn't what it was a few years ago, it isn't like I am losing muscle mass or anything I just don't feel as good or amped for life if I am not running something. Also I was on EndoSurge when they did the test which I thought would make them come out higher than that. I definitely felt it was up, but was more likely due to the free test levels being higher.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  18. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Now for my testosterone levels, not quite what I had hoped for, but basically sealing the deal for me to crash them the rest of the way and go get on TRT. My total serum levels were only 487, in case you don't know that sucks! It isn't "low" by the dumb standard they use for the average range of people tested which includes un healthy people, but for the androgen levels by age it is pathetic. Here is a chart of averages done in studies by age groups. You will not my level falls in the 65-74 range and in the lower end of that actually. That explains why I get so much out of test boosters that free up testosterone, but don't seem to have major succes with ones that just boost total test. My levels are sub par and getting my free test up makes me feel like someone my age should.
    I've seen this scenario played out so many times. Guys will assume and comment, "I feel like my testosterone levels are high. I feel good. Libido is decent, etc."
    But when the truth is told, their testosterone levels are low. They just aren't aware how good they really could be feeling if they were to make the decision and get on TRT. And if your doctor won't prescribe it, try another doctor.
    And if that fails, medicate yourself. ha ha "Physician, heal thyself" type scenario.
    Make the plunge Kleen, you will NEVER regret it!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  19. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    I've seen this scenario played out so many times. Guys will assume and comment, "I feel like my testosterone levels are high. I feel good. Libido is decent, etc."
    But when the truth is told, their testosterone levels are low. They just aren't aware how good they really could be feeling if they were to make the decision and get on TRT. And if your doctor won't prescribe it, try another doctor.
    And if that fails, medicate yourself. ha ha "Physician, heal thyself" type scenario.
    Make the plunge Kleen, you will NEVER regret it!!
    You fugger!! always wavin that damn fuggin carrot!! lol
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  20. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I am going to give my first week impressions of RS-Transaderm here so you have an idea of what to expect from a slightly higher than normal dose of the product. Keep in mind I came off a run of EndoSurge that had me feeling pretty high on the testosterone axis, so anywhere I mention things have not changed should be considered great and any improvements should seem that much more impressive.

    Alpha Male - I was already feeling very much like an Alpha on the Endosurge and the RS- Transaderm has not let me down on this aspect. I continue to feel a great amount of confidence and like I automatically command attention and respect when I walk in a room.

    Aggression - I have not experienced any increase in negative aggression that I or my wife has noticed other than sounding more aggressive due to vocal projection when on my pre workout which is typical of me when I am stimmed. So not anything negative here.

    Composition - It is to early to tell however I don't seem to notice much at this point. There are some visual changes but not sure if any actual change in body fat or muscular composition. I will touch on this comment in the sides section.

    Strength - I am already noticing an increase in strength that seem above and beyond the progression I was having even while on the testosterone booster. You will see this reflected in my workout posted below as I always comment on the difference between this workout and the one prior to it there.

    Size - I have gained about 2 pounds. However I know this is not muscle mass or at least not all of it. Once again I will touch on this in the sides section.

    Libido - Libido remains consistently high as it was before on the test booster.

    LIBIDO IS ALWAYS HIGH, DON'T LET THIS FOOL YOU PEOPLE... HE'S ALMOST 40 YRS OLD AND STILL WANTS TO HIT IT LIKE HE'S A TEEN..

    Appetite - My appetite has not increased but it was already high before. I will be seeing how this goes shortly as I have made a decision to begin a cut with my wife since she is cutting to make things easier on her.

    APPETITE.. your always HUNGRY! I can't keep up with you and eating. lol

    Sides - Here is the rub... Yeah PUN intended. Even though RS-Transaderm has some AI properties to keep the conversion to Estrogen lower, they do not appear to be sufficient even at one pump above a normal dose. I am obviously holding water and my abs have smoothed over a bit, making it hard to tell what part of the 2 lbs I put on this week is water and what is muscle. I am not overly excited about this and have decided as a 1-2 punch to try to keep my Testosterone elevated during the run as well as estrogen down I am adding in T-911 which has some natural SERMS in it as well as AI's. Thanks to ThunderGod for reminding me about it. I had some here saw it the other day and thought HMMMM. The he recommended it highly for this and I knew better than to second guess Thunder from his thrown high on the mountain!

    The Workout -

    Pull Ups - (Warmed up on pull downs) 165x8, Pull Ups - BWx8, BW+25 x8, BW+25 x8 > Chins BWx5 - these work sets were a little easier this week than last, I also got an extra 2 reps on the drop set to BW chins.

    yeah, a lil transformerish..

    Standing Military Press - 95x8, 135x8, 155x8, 155x10 > 115x6 - Nice increase here on reps! I only got 7 reps on my second set of 155 last week and got 10 this week. I felt I could have went up a little in weight so I pushed for more reps and got them. I also had 10 more lbs on the drop set this week and still got 2 more reps there. Strength is definitely up.

    Curls - 75x8, 125x4, 105x10 > 75x5 - This was a different set scheme last time I started at 125 and got 8 then dropped immediately. Here obviously I tired the biceps out a little with that first set and then skewed things with the second. I think next week I will start with 110-115 and see where I can progress from there to get a better read on what is happening here.

    Dead Lifts - 225x8, 315x8, 375x8, 380x9 > 315x3 - It has been 2 weeks since I dead lifted last. In that time MAJOR improvements have taken place here. My 3rd set then was 365x8, so up 10lb there, 4rth was 275x5, so up 5 lbs here and 4 reps, considering I did the weght I did before for only 5 on the first really heavy work set, and then went up to get 4 more reps than I could with it last week at a lower weight I am REALLY impressed with this.
    MINUS my ears hurting from the picking up and dropping down, then hearin r u f'in kiddin me.. you KILLED it babe!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well I got several bits of info at the doctors today. First my bloodwork looks great as far as cholesteral, and my PSA came back perfect for Prostate anogens which I thought had been rather sensitive to diet pills and the like but not so apparently. It seems it is not my prostate causing me trouble but something else with urine flow. That is good and bad news. Bad because now I have to go to a uroligist and get a full workout including them shoving something up my urethra... Good in the fact that if I want to run a PH or DS I can without worry which is the reason I was actually not going to run them any longer. I may very well add in some Epi to this run in a pulse due to that. That or I thought about trying my hand at the Trenazone.

    Now for my testosterone levels, not quite what I had hoped for, but basically sealing the deal for me to crash them the rest of the way and go get on TRT. My total serum levels were only 487, in case you don't know that sucks! It isn't "low" by the dumb standard they use for the average range of people tested which includes un healthy people, but for the androgen levels by age it is pathetic. Here is a chart of averages done in studies by age groups. You will not my level falls in the 65-74 range and in the lower end of that actually. That explains why I get so much out of test boosters that free up testosterone, but don't seem to have major succes with ones that just boost total test. My levels are sub par and getting my free test up makes me feel like someone my age should.

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    that just tells ya, UR NOT NORMAL! lol. I love you babe

  22. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I can always look on the bright side they are above halfway between low and the highest. What are your levels now being treated Big T? I mean there isn't much reason to worry about it if I wouldn't really go above what I am now on replacement therapy. I just know libido isn't what it was a few years ago, it isn't like I am losing muscle mass or anything I just don't feel as good or amped for life if I am not running something. Also I was on EndoSurge when they did the test which I thought would make them come out higher than that. I definitely felt it was up, but was more likely due to the free test levels being higher.
    my last test i was 817 on total test....
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by KleensQueen View Post
    that just tells ya, UR NOT NORMAL! lol. I love you babe
    Awwww shucks Ma'am your making me blush! I love you too!
    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    my last test i was 817 on total test....
    See that is what I am talking about right there. I would be loving that. I figure at 38 and the shape I am in, I should be enjoying the best life has to offer and it sounds like that is much better than 487. Heck I might have to start buying the wife more jewelry then tho...
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  24. Okay so now I am done with my hissy fit about my testosterone levels. I knew when I started this that it may have not been long enough to have fully recovered even though I felt like a stud for a bit. Well I had to have my silly reactionary time and reflect on things a bit. I have come up with a few things that are going to happen here.

    1. I am going t have to pause this run of Transaderm temporarily as I do not believe my HPTA has fully recovered from the long azz run I just came off of. I forgot that I need to go 2 times time on and time on was in 10 weeks. Although this may not be very suppressive it will definitely inhibit hurtthe recovery of which I truly believe my HPTA system is capable of.

    2. Make a new plan of attack to both increase total and free testosterone levels back up to 600, while continuing to improve my performance and physique.

    3. Come back in 4-6 weeks and kick ass on this log. Well it will probably be another one. However I have a STRONG feeling that my next log will include NTBM Bridge. I do hope that is okay with Rick and NTBM but I have to do what is right for me and tanking my HPTA system to go on TRT is the easy way out of a hard situation so I have to give recovery a shot first. Give me a day or two to get my plan set in stone and I will announce it here. I WILL CONTINUE THIS LOG AT A LATER DATE!!!!! Well Start up a new one more than likely but need to handle my HPTA situation first.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  25. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay so now I am done with my hissy fit about my testosterone levels. I knew when I started this that it may have not been long enough to have fully recovered even though I felt like a stud for a bit. Well I had to have my silly reactionary time and reflect on things a bit. I have come up with a few things that are going to happen here.

    1. I am going t have to pause this run of Transaderm temporarily as I do not believe my HPTA has fully recovered from the long azz run I just came off of. I forgot that I need to go 2 times time on and time on was in 10 weeks. Although this may not be very suppressive it will definitely inhibit hurtthe recovery of which I truly believe my HPTA system is capable of.

    2. Make a new plan of attack to both increase total and free testosterone levels back up to 600, while continuing to improve my performance and physique.

    3. Come back in 4-6 weeks and kick ass on this log. Well it will probably be another one. However I have a STRONG feeling that my next log will include NTBM Bridge. I do hope that is okay with Rick and NTBM but I have to do what is right for me and tanking my HPTA system to go on TRT is the easy way out of a hard situation so I have to give recovery a shot first. Give me a day or two to get my plan set in stone and I will announce it here. I WILL CONTINUE THIS LOG AT A LATER DATE!!!!! Well Start up a new one more than likely but need to handle my HPTA situation first.
    Good idea man, dont wanna take your HPTA system down to 200 or something. What will you do to raise your levels you think? And coming off a stinging nettle root your SHBG should have been lowered freeing up some test right? What other pathways will you try to access to get more test/ less conversion into estrogen?

    Also, dont let this get too far into your head Mood can affect hormone levels too I find.
    RecoverBro ELITE
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