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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well I got several bits of info at the doctors today. First my bloodwork looks great as far as cholesteral, and my PSA came back perfect for Prostate anogens which I thought had been rather sensitive to diet pills and the like but not so apparently. It seems it is not my prostate causing me trouble but something else with urine flow. That is good and bad news. Bad because now I have to go to a uroligist and get a full workout including them shoving something up my urethra... Good in the fact that if I want to run a PH or DS I can without worry which is the reason I was actually not going to run them any longer. I may very well add in some Epi to this run in a pulse due to that. That or I thought about trying my hand at the Trenazone.

    Now for my testosterone levels, not quite what I had hoped for, but basically sealing the deal for me to crash them the rest of the way and go get on TRT. My total serum levels were only 487, in case you don't know that sucks! It isn't "low" by the dumb standard they use for the average range of people tested which includes un healthy people, but for the androgen levels by age it is pathetic. Here is a chart of averages done in studies by age groups. You will not my level falls in the 65-74 range and in the lower end of that actually. That explains why I get so much out of test boosters that free up testosterone, but don't seem to have major succes with ones that just boost total test. My levels are sub par and getting my free test up makes me feel like someone my age should.

    that just tells ya, UR NOT NORMAL! lol. I love you babe

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I can always look on the bright side they are above halfway between low and the highest. What are your levels now being treated Big T? I mean there isn't much reason to worry about it if I wouldn't really go above what I am now on replacement therapy. I just know libido isn't what it was a few years ago, it isn't like I am losing muscle mass or anything I just don't feel as good or amped for life if I am not running something. Also I was on EndoSurge when they did the test which I thought would make them come out higher than that. I definitely felt it was up, but was more likely due to the free test levels being higher.
    my last test i was 817 on total test....
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    Quote Originally Posted by KleensQueen View Post
    that just tells ya, UR NOT NORMAL! lol. I love you babe
    Awwww shucks Ma'am your making me blush! I love you too!
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    my last test i was 817 on total test....
    See that is what I am talking about right there. I would be loving that. I figure at 38 and the shape I am in, I should be enjoying the best life has to offer and it sounds like that is much better than 487. Heck I might have to start buying the wife more jewelry then tho...
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    Okay so now I am done with my hissy fit about my testosterone levels. I knew when I started this that it may have not been long enough to have fully recovered even though I felt like a stud for a bit. Well I had to have my silly reactionary time and reflect on things a bit. I have come up with a few things that are going to happen here.

    1. I am going t have to pause this run of Transaderm temporarily as I do not believe my HPTA has fully recovered from the long azz run I just came off of. I forgot that I need to go 2 times time on and time on was in 10 weeks. Although this may not be very suppressive it will definitely inhibit hurtthe recovery of which I truly believe my HPTA system is capable of.

    2. Make a new plan of attack to both increase total and free testosterone levels back up to 600, while continuing to improve my performance and physique.

    3. Come back in 4-6 weeks and kick ass on this log. Well it will probably be another one. However I have a STRONG feeling that my next log will include **** Bridge. I do hope that is okay with Rick and **** but I have to do what is right for me and tanking my HPTA system to go on TRT is the easy way out of a hard situation so I have to give recovery a shot first. Give me a day or two to get my plan set in stone and I will announce it here. I WILL CONTINUE THIS LOG AT A LATER DATE!!!!! Well Start up a new one more than likely but need to handle my HPTA situation first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay so now I am done with my hissy fit about my testosterone levels. I knew when I started this that it may have not been long enough to have fully recovered even though I felt like a stud for a bit. Well I had to have my silly reactionary time and reflect on things a bit. I have come up with a few things that are going to happen here.

    1. I am going t have to pause this run of Transaderm temporarily as I do not believe my HPTA has fully recovered from the long azz run I just came off of. I forgot that I need to go 2 times time on and time on was in 10 weeks. Although this may not be very suppressive it will definitely inhibit hurtthe recovery of which I truly believe my HPTA system is capable of.

    2. Make a new plan of attack to both increase total and free testosterone levels back up to 600, while continuing to improve my performance and physique.

    3. Come back in 4-6 weeks and kick ass on this log. Well it will probably be another one. However I have a STRONG feeling that my next log will include **** Bridge. I do hope that is okay with Rick and **** but I have to do what is right for me and tanking my HPTA system to go on TRT is the easy way out of a hard situation so I have to give recovery a shot first. Give me a day or two to get my plan set in stone and I will announce it here. I WILL CONTINUE THIS LOG AT A LATER DATE!!!!! Well Start up a new one more than likely but need to handle my HPTA situation first.
    Good idea man, dont wanna take your HPTA system down to 200 or something. What will you do to raise your levels you think? And coming off a stinging nettle root your SHBG should have been lowered freeing up some test right? What other pathways will you try to access to get more test/ less conversion into estrogen?

    Also, dont let this get too far into your head Mood can affect hormone levels too I find.
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    Good luck brother. Best to listen to your body, and do whats right for you. If you start up a new LOG for anything be sure to hit me with a link. Thanks for the info about the liver on my thread, definitely made me feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Good idea man, dont wanna take your HPTA system down to 200 or something. What will you do to raise your levels you think? And coming off a stinging nettle root your SHBG should have been lowered freeing up some test right? What other pathways will you try to access to get more test/ less conversion into estrogen?

    Also, dont let this get too far into your head Mood can affect hormone levels too I find.
    Thanks man, I still need to talk to RickRock. I wish I had the cash to buy some HCGhenerate I know that would lick this for sure, but I don't so I will try using the bottle of Bridge I have which has about half the dose of the Fadogia and I plan on using some Formula X I have on the way. It has LCLT and 3 grams of DAA per serving. I have some Testopro which I will run more than likely depending on what I come up with. So that is a good month worth of stuff right there. I will have to add some type of mucana product or high doses of vitamin b to counter the prolactin elevating side effect of DAA so either I will add in Ghenerate, PowerFULL or Bulk 1-Carboxy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thanks man, I still need to talk to RickRock. I wish I had the cash to buy some HCGhenerate I know that would lick this for sure, but I don't so I will try using the bottle of Bridge I have which has about half the dose of the Fadogia and I plan on using some Formula X I have on the way. It has LCLT and 3 grams of DAA per serving. I have some Testopro which I will run more than likely depending on what I come up with. So that is a good month worth of stuff right there. I will have to add some type of mucana product or high doses of vitamin b to counter the prolactin elevating side effect of DAA so either I will add in Ghenerate, PowerFULL or Bulk 1-Carboxy.
    yea HCgenerate is pricey. I have heard that high dose Vit B6 can actually have negative effects on the androgen receptor, I'm not 100% sure on the research, but I have heard some steroid guru's state that mega dosing Vit B can have negative effects on test levels. Just something to think about.

    Good luck man, hopefully rick will let you run this short recover cycle to get your test levels back.
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    Yeah I have powerfull and generate both have mucana so more than likely one of those will be used. Probably powerfully to go ahead and use it before it gets old. I have had it a little bit.
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    Chris, do you think using l dopa for months on end could have side effects ?
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    From everything I have read no. WITH a 5 on 2 off dosing pattern it can be used without any attenuation or sides.
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    You know you better than anyone else and I'm sure Rick will completely understand. Shoot me link when you get back up and running as I am always grateful to be allowed to benefit from your knowledge and training routines.


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    Chris I was kind of wondering when you started this, you are in pretty much the same boat as me and I had decided to wait till the new year. I did make a comment but I though Chris knows what he is doing and this is pretty mild but I think you've made a good decision to opt for recovery....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73

    Thanks man, I still need to talk to RickRock. I wish I had the cash to buy some HCGhenerate I know that would lick this for sure, but I don't so I will try using the bottle of Bridge I have which has about half the dose of the Fadogia and I plan on using some Formula X I have on the way. It has LCLT and 3 grams of DAA per serving. I have some Testopro which I will run more than likely depending on what I come up with. So that is a good month worth of stuff right there. I will have to add some type of mucana product or high doses of vitamin b to counter the prolactin elevating side effect of DAA so either I will add in Ghenerate, PowerFULL or Bulk 1-Carboxy.
    Returned your PM brother. I'm doing my best to get you set up with some HCGenerate. I know a lot of people would be very interested in that bloodwork. If I have to I may just send you one out of my personal stash for now...I will let you know something soon my man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    You know you better than anyone else and I'm sure Rick will completely understand. Shoot me link when you get back up and running as I am always grateful to be allowed to benefit from your knowledge and training routines.
    Will do, and thanks for the compliment!

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    Chris I was kind of wondering when you started this, you are in pretty much the same boat as me and I had decided to wait till the new year. I did make a comment but I though Chris knows what he is doing and this is pretty mild but I think you've made a good decision to opt for recovery....
    Yeah I had thought about it pretty hard but with how awesome I felt on the EndoSurge I figured my T Levels must have been up pretty high. That just tells you what the Testosterone Freeing capability of it is. With my own levels not too high it was still about to give me major boost and a 3 lb gain while getting a tiny bit leaner. I mentioned to Rick that I had some concerns about it when i started but in the end went with what my impression of my testosterone levels were instead at least until I got the results.

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    Returned your PM brother. I'm doing my best to get you set up with some HCGenerate. I know a lot of people would be very interested in that bloodwork. If I have to I may just send you one out of my personal stash for now...I will let you know something soon my man
    Excellent! I got your PM and appreciate the understanding of the situation. I guess when you get shut down on something for a while it is pretty easy for you to feel pretty recovered even when in low normal range. For now I am running my T911 and a little testopro I had lying around. If the HCGenerate comes through I will start a new log with it in the title.

    In the interim let me go ahead and talk about my workout from this morning which in no way reflects low test levels.

    Bench - 135x8, 225x8, 250x8, 255x6 > 205x3 - I got an 6 last time with 250 and 255 is the highest I have been since surgery.

    HS Rows - 45x8, 90x8, 95x8, 100x10>55x10 - I didn't try to go up on these this time I just made sure to have nice clean pulls and get a good contraction. I hit back thickness pretty hard on the Dead lifts which is where my strength effort is on the back thickness at this point. These are just for added volume and good muscle contraction through a full range of motion.

    Dips- BW+90x8, BW+90x10, BW+90x10 > BWx12 - Added volume and shoulders are feeling the cold weather the dips were aggravating them a little bit. I figured the extra volume would take care of them and it sure did.

    Squats - 135x12, 225x12, 245x12, 275x12 > Front squats 135x12 Just wanted to do something a little different here. The front squats acually felt really good too. I may see about doing them instead for a little bit. @75x12 was the highest I have been since my hip issue. Not bad at all and no hip pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    yea HCgenerate is pricey. I have heard that high dose Vit B6 can actually have negative effects on the androgen receptor, I'm not 100% sure on the research, but I have heard some steroid guru's state that mega dosing Vit B can have negative effects on test levels. Just something to think about.

    Good luck man, hopefully rick will let you run this short recover cycle to get your test levels back.
    my personal experience says this is wrong-at least in my case...i mega dose vit6 often and my t level is at an all time high.
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    Well once you are fully recovered you're going to get a lot more out of this in the long run...I was just saying on Phins thread that I will blow up come new year.. look out!!
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    Good move Kleen. TRT will b there when u r ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Well once you are fully recovered you're going to get a lot more out of this in the long run...I was just saying on Phins thread that I will blow up come new year.. look out!!
    I think so too. I have no doubt I can recover beyond this. I just haven't given myself the right amount of time. Good to stop and fully recovery before I hit up anything hormonal that could blunt recovery or or worse get my body used to a lower level of testosterone.

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    Good move Kleen. TRT will b there when u r ready.
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    Accessory weights.


    I didn't get a chance to post up in here yesterday regarding the lift it was an accessory day. Here is the workout very little rest and was in and out in less than 35 minutes once warmed up. Was sweating something fierce when it was all said and done. I have not heard back from Rick yet so I assume he did not hear anything back from **** on the HCGenerate. Not a big deal but I will be starting a new more generic log some time this weekend that accurately portrays what I am doing to increase my testosterone levels. I will definitely pick up logging the RS-Transaderm as soon as my testosterone levels are back up to snuff. I will more than likely be running some Bridge in my quest for testosterone optimization also since I have a bottle of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73
    I didn't get a chance to post up in here yesterday regarding the lift it was an accessory day. Here is the workout very little rest and was in and out in less than 35 minutes once warmed up. Was sweating something fierce when it was all said and done. I have not heard back from Rick yet so I assume he did not hear anything back from **** on the HCGenerate. Not a big deal but I will be starting a new more generic log some time this weekend that accurately portrays what I am doing to increase my testosterone levels. I will definitely pick up logging the RS-Transaderm as soon as my testosterone levels are back up to snuff. I will more than likely be running some Bridge in my quest for testosterone optimization also since I have a bottle of it.

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    PM sent to you earlier bro. Check your inbox. Send me your shipping info and we will get a bottle of HCGenerate out to you. I'm anxious to see what the bloodwork looks like after a good run of it.
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    AWESOME! I had just checked it and nothing but went back and saw the PM. Too weird! That rocks! I will post a new log up this weekend for that. Very cool!
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    Hehe. Good luck man. Hope the hcgenerate gives your natty test a boost!
    Should be good.
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    Yeah the I have used HCGen before with what felt like great results. I will have a baseline to go from on this one which will be good. Even if I can't get my levels all the way back up to over 600 I will just use EndoSurge and still kick ass. I got 3 lbs out of it with sub par levels. Says a lot about the Free Test increase right there.

    The HCGen should be nice though. lots of testofen in there which I would rate my second favorite ingredient for increasing free test and a relatively close second to Divanil. I know my libido is probably going to get crazy on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73
    Yeah the I have used HCGen before with what felt like great results. I will have a baseline to go from on this one which will be good. Even if I can't get my levels all the way back up to over 600 I will just use EndoSurge and still kick ass. I got 3 lbs out of it with sub par levels. Says a lot about the Free Test increase right there.

    The fadogia and testofen(fenugreek extract) is a great combo for freeing up test. Should help out considerably.
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    Yeah the fadogia will give me the boost in production I need and the testofen should really amplify it. I am looking forward to it for sure.
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    Great log. Looking forward to seeing what HcGenerate will do to your T.
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    Kleen, you going to log this here? Or start a new one?
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    I picked up a couple bottles of fadogia when iForce was running that sale but I never used it. Felt I didnt know enough about it at the time.. Be sure to link me when the fadogia log goes up! Interested to see how it treats you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    Great log. Looking forward to seeing what HcGenerate will do to your T.
    Thanks Frank!

    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Kleen, you going to log this here? Or start a new one?
    I will start a new one. Nothing like coming to a log labeled one thing and finding out it is for a completely different product.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I picked up a couple bottles of fadogia when iForce was running that sale but I never used it. Felt I didnt know enough about it at the time.. Be sure to link me when the fadogia log goes up! Interested to see how it treats you
    It is good stuff. There are some studies out there on it. I used the T-Force and it worked well. Add in that Free Test of AN's and you will have one hell of a ride.
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    I will more than likely be doing a deload or strategic de-conditioning week next week. I have been pushing myself pretty hard and hitting a lot of increases in weight recently and my joints are starting to feel it. Not anything alarming but it is time to take the week and take care of them.

    I think we will do a circuit of push ups, DB Swings, body weight rack chins, and hindu squats maybe 15-20 reps of each and 4 or 5 sets then walk it out on the treadmill and finish with some abs. Jo can maybe do 10 on the upper body stuff cuz I know her she won't do girl push ups.

    Also more likely than not we will do 2 circuits a week Tues and Thurs and lift heavy on Saturdays for a while since the focus is going to be leaning up a bit more. As for this weekend I am eating. I plan on really dropping the hammer on cutting up the next few weeks so I might as well really enjoy some grub and a few drinks this weekend.

    Todays workout was pretty good but I went a little lighter and did a few more reps as well as used machines for shoulders and curls. I went lighter on legs because my knees feel a little creaky. Must be hard work and change in the weather combined but my legs are fine so not sweating it.

    Pull Ups - - warm up with 165x12 on lat pull down, BWx10, BWx10, BWx10>BW-100x6 felt good the added reps wore me out not feeling awesome today either.

    Life Fitness Shoulder Press Machine - 80x12, 140x12, 155x9, 140x11>80x6 - Shoulders had a massive pump and triceps were swole up nicely too.

    Life Fitness Arm Curl (preacher) - 95x12, 95x12, 95x12 > 50x7 had a nice pump really concentrated on contraction with everything I did today. Arms were looking massive after this.

    Leg Press - (weight per side) - 3p x15, 4p x15, 5p x15, 5p+25 x35 - I didn't see a need to do a strip set here so I just pushed it until it got extremely hard to get more reps. Considering the slower tempo 35 reps isn't too bad with that weight. Felt great and the pump was ridiculous.
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    you and dreamweaver have the best logs when it comes to discussions.
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    I just got a little jealous when I was reading about your leg presses. I love to do them, but my back...not so much.
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    Yeah they felt great. I can still feel them in my quads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    you and dreamweaver have the best logs when it comes to discussions.
    Thanks Man, I really try to have good convo to me it makes the logs better. I am getting ready to go do some cardio here in a bit. Stayed home for the roofer to come check out some leaks from yesterdays big rain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thanks Man, I really try to have good convo to me it makes the logs better. I am getting ready to go do some cardio here in a bit. Stayed home for the roofer to come check out some leaks from yesterdays big rain.
    Really. Leaks already. I would be one mad mofo. Hope it is nothing major.
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    Well the house has dropped probably 5 inches in the parts that don't already have piers it buckled some of the rolled roofing, and pulled some away from the flashing. Not his fault not much you can do and that is part of the reason why nobody likes to use rolled roofing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well the house has dropped probably 5 inches in the parts that don't already have piers it buckled some of the rolled roofing, and pulled some away from the flashing. Not his fault not much you can do and that is part of the reason why nobody likes to use rolled roofing.
    Man I had no idea. Sorry to hear that.
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    take a break for sure when joints are telling you to

    have you tried daa yet as a test booster?

    One of the best in my opinion-hands down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well the house has dropped probably 5 inches in the parts that don't already have piers it buckled some of the rolled roofing, and pulled some away from the flashing. Not his fault not much you can do and that is part of the reason why nobody likes to use rolled roofing.
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