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  1. Quote Originally Posted by laserbluess View Post
    you weren't kidding about the taste. not bad at all. and that blue cap thing is pretty ingenious / handy for measuring out the liquid once the bottle starts to get low. somebody was using the ole noggin on that one.
    too bad I broke mine

    definitely not looking forward to the end of the bottle, lol


  2. Are you taking any kind of pre-workout mix with this?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Are you taking any kind of pre-workout mix with this?
    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewNico View Post

    Agmatine, Citrulline Malate, and Assault (have been taking this for about 3 weeks now, so they will not skew results). I will note any changes in BP from the assault, but I think it will be negligible.
    1g agmatine + 5-7g cit mal + 1-2 servings assault

  4. Today was hypertrophy legs. Tough to gauge strength on days like today as it's all pretty light stuff.

    • Lower Body Power Exercise speed work: Squats
      bar x13, bar x13, 140x8, 230x3x6
    • Hypertrophy pressing movement: Front Squats
      140x8, 160x8, 180x8 => I usually do 140x8x3, but today I felt good
    • Hypertrophy pressing movement: Walking BB Lunges (22 total lunges down&back)
      bar, 100, 100
    • Hypertrophy curling movement: Hamstring Raises
      x8, x8, x8
    • Hypertrophy curling movement: Seated leg curls
      120x15x2
    • Hypertrophy extension movement: Leg extensions
      180x15x3
    • Hypertrophy calf movement: Seated calf raises (plate loaded)
      140x10, 140x10, 90x10, 90x13
    • Hypertrophy calf movement: Calf raises on leg press machine (30s rest in between sets)
      400x10, 400x8, 300x10, 300x13


    So, technically I did do more than I usually do with my front squats, but I dont know if it is because of the compound, or I just pushed myself harder today. Im thinking its a little bit of both.

    Weight is around 163 right now, which Im a little confused on. It was 165 sunday which I expect because I had a family party and ate the **** out of everything . . . but I figured it would get out of me by now. Confused, but not upset



    But I swear, no one better say '4lbs gain nice work bro!' because Im not trying to gain weight. If I was Id be up past 170 by now (srs). Im still somewhat impressed by this gain without much change to my body composition though . . .

  5. From what ive read and seen and know about the compound I can see how your still holding a little higher then normal as its really good at shuttling carbs into muscles n then keeping the muscles fuller.

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AndrewNico View Post
    1g agmatine + 5-7g cit mal + 1-2 servings assault
    LOL.. sorry I missed that somehow..

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewNico View Post

    Weight is around 163 right now, which Im a little confused on. It was 165 sunday which I expect because I had a family party and ate the **** out of everything . . . but I figured it would get out of me by now. Confused, but not upset



    But I swear, no one better say '4lbs gain nice work bro!' because Im not trying to gain weight. If I was Id be up past 170 by now (srs). Im still somewhat impressed by this gain without much change to my body composition though . . .
    Do you have access to do a BF test?



    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    From what ive read and seen and know about the compound I can see how your still holding a little higher then normal as its really good at shuttling carbs into muscles n then keeping the muscles fuller.

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    Hmmm,... interesting. First I have seen about any nutrient shuttling effects. I cant wait till I get my 5aO bottle to try this stuff out myself!
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    LOL.. sorry I missed that somehow..

    Do you have access to do a BF test?

    Hmmm,... interesting. First I have seen about any nutrient shuttling effects. I cant wait till I get my 5aO bottle to try this stuff out myself!
    S'alright, it happens.

    If I did get access . . . it would either be an inaccurate digital one (probably reading 5-6%) or a caliper 3-point estimation (which last time I did it *fairly* lean gave me a %bf of 4.3%). These probably wouldnt be accurate means of measurement, and I didnt take either test before starting, so now I dont even have the deltas of either to go by

    Interdasting indeed.

  8. weight makes sense again, was 160.2 this morning. glad it leveled back out.

    today was an off day, spent time with the family a couple days before I move out.


    tomorrow is hypertrophy chest and arms . . . with some massive cheating going on. olive garden endless pasta bowl. easily hitting 2.5k cals with that alone

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AndrewNico
    weight makes sense again, was 160.2 this morning. glad it leveled back out.

    today was an off day, spent time with the family a couple days before I move out.

    tomorrow is hypertrophy chest and arms . . . with some massive cheating going on. olive garden endless pasta bowl. easily hitting 2.5k cals with that alone
    I notice weight will go up and down a few pounds but it always seems to even out. Like right now I'm going between 220&225. Which is why I try not to weigh myself that much and just go off how I look in the mirror


  10. Quote Originally Posted by AndrewNico View Post
    I hear this a lot. You guys need to start looking at bodybuilders more often, lol



    Oh, and I dont think I mentioned it in this thread, but Im taking this with 2g LCLT if anyone is interested.


    Also running glucosamine (3g/day) and fish oil (which I just bumped up to about 2g combined epa/dha) for joints.

    Agmatine, Citrulline Malate, and Assault (have been taking this for about 3 weeks now, so they will not skew results). I will note any changes in BP from the assault, but I think it will be negligible.
    lclt is legit, i take it every day...
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    I notice weight will go up and down a few pounds but it always seems to even out. Like right now I'm going between 220&225. Which is why I try not to weigh myself that much and just go off how I look in the mirror
    Aye, that's what I usually go by as well (the mirror), hence why I was confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    lclt is legit, i take it every day...
    Indeed my good sir. nice to see you back!


    Chest and Arms Hypertrophy Day

    Strength/Endurance Test Exercise: Flat dumbbell presses
    60x8, 70x8, 80x8, 90x8 => was easier this week, will go up to 95s next week

    Pressing Power Exercise speed work: Flat bench press (pause reps)
    bar x15, 140x5, 190x3x6

    Hypertrophy pressing movement: Incline dumbbell presses
    70x8, 70x8, 70x8 => 30s rest in between sets, was also easier from last week

    Hypertrophy fly movement: Incline cable flyes
    40x15, 50x15, 50x15

    Hypertrophy pressing movement: Hammer strength chest press
    110x15, 110x15, 110x15 => little rest in between

    Hypertrophy curling exercise: Ez-bar preacher curls
    70x8x3

    Hypertrophy curling exercise: Dumbbell concentration curls
    30x13, 30x13, 25x13

    Hypertrophy curling exercise: Spider curls bracing upper body against an incline bench
    50x15, 50x15

    Hypertrophy extension exercise: Seated tricep extension withEz-bar
    70x8, 70x8, 75x8 => will also go up next week

    Hypertrophy extension exercise: Cable pressdowns with rope attachment
    70x15, 70x15, 80x15 => slight increase

    Hypertrophy extension exercise: Cable kickbacks
    15x15, 15x15, 10x15, 10x15, 10x15


    So, nothing huge today. I noted increases in the numbers from last week, and what I'll be doing next week. All good news , but nothing like 'holy s*^t this stuff is crazyyyyyyyy', which I assume (when it comes) will be more subtle than that.


    Heavy legs tomorrow. Was thinking I might change up my rep range and do 5 reps instead of 3 with my working sets for squats. We'll see . . . I'll be up near albany moving into my temporary housing preparing to start my new job, so at least I'll have my old workout partner there for some spotting if necessary.

  12. btw, arms looked freakin huge today.


    AND . . . olive garden was such a f*%king let down. Portions were even smaller than I remember, they skimped on sauce HARD (could tell how watered down it was), only put about .5oz of chicken in my first bowl (2nd and 3rd were a lot more since I told the waitress that the amount of chicken was bull****)

    ****, if I knew they were going to screw me with the sauce I wouldve taken some slin sane before the meal (since the fats wouldve been low). whatever

  13. oh olive garden. we had a family friend who was from Italy and they despised Olive Garden. They had no clue how it was related to Italian cooking other than the fact that there was noodles and sauce. she hate it with an undying passion lol.

    andrewnico - noticed any hardening / leaning out effects? I'm only on day 4 of my run of it and im feeling a bit tighter and less bloated.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by laserbluess View Post
    andrewnico - noticed any hardening / leaning out effects? I'm only on day 4 of my run of it and im feeling a bit tighter and less bloated.
    not so much. keep in mind a few weeks before I started my %bf was extremely low, so even now I feel fat compared to then lol.

    really the only place I look at leanness is my abdominal area, which has not changed since I started. places like my arms and legs are always really lean so trying to gauge it from them is difficult.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AndrewNico View Post
    not so much. keep in mind a few weeks before I started my %bf was extremely low, so even now I feel fat compared to then lol.

    really the only place I look at leanness is my abdominal area, which has not changed since I started. places like my arms and legs are always really lean so trying to gauge it from them is difficult.
    i am in the opposite position-i went thru a 2 week lay off from workouts before starting endosurge. between the endosurge and combustion i am impressed with how fast things are reurning to where they were a month ago.
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    Whew, worked out at the Bally's up in Albany . . . gym was legit. Mad juicers though, haha.

    Lower Body Power Day
    • Pressing Power Movement: Squats
      bar x15, bar x10, 135x8, 225x5, 275x3, 305x3, 315x3 drop 225x8 drop 135x15 => wanted to feel out the weights there. Squat rack is nice and I felt really strong today
    • Assistance pulling movement: Deadlifts
      135x5, 225x5, 315x3, 405x2 => Felt meh, lower back was kind of tired from squats and I wasnt too concerned.
    • Assistance pressing movement: Hack Squats
      90x8, 180x6, 230x6. 230x6 => Haven't done these FOREVER, they felt reallllllllll good
    • Assistance pulling/curling movement: Lying leg curls
      120x8x3
    • Assistance extension movement: Leg extensions
      140x8, 200x8x2
    • Auxiliary calf movement: Standing calf raise (machine)
      360x8, 400x8x3 => (racked)
    • Auxiliary calf movement: Seated calf raise (plate loaded)
      90x10, 180x10, 180x6 drop 135x10, 135x10, 90x10



    Overall, considering I was alone in a new gym after moving in today, I felt real good. Didnt go for any PR's or anything, but I feel like I could have. Still dont know if this bar is 45 or 50ish so I assumed the lower. Could very well be heavier though, I'll have to ask tomorrow when I go in for back.

  17. Sick upper back workout today. back width was

    * Bent over dB Rows
    60x8, 80x8, 100x5, 105x5 => thought the dB's went up higher here . . . I was wrong
    * Bent over BB Rows
    225x5, 225x5, 245x5 drop 225x5
    * Nautilis Lat Pulldowns (plate loaded)
    180x8, 270x6, 270x6, 270x6 drop 180x8
    * Yates Pulls (google if you dont know what they are) with lat pulldown bar, normal grip
    110x13, 130x13, 150x13
    * BB Shrugs (raw)
    135x10, 225x10, 315x8, 365x7 (last three had bad form), 315x8 => havent done shrugs in a long time
    * Seated Rows (cable)
    150x8, 200x5, 250x5 (rack) drop 200x5 drop 150x5


    I noticed some additional hardness last night and this morning around my abdominals. Nice

    Still not feeling any crazy strength though, considering buying another bottle and extending the cycle/increasing the dosage. Still have another 2ish weeks to decide though.

  18. Usualy takes 2-3 weeks for most. I think if you pick up another bottle ull get more out of. You could also increase the dose by 2mls or so.

    How are the pumps? I assume good?

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  19. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Usualy takes 2-3 weeks for most. I think if you pick up another bottle ull get more out of. You could also increase the dose by 2mls or so.
    Yeah, if it does kick in this week, I'll definitely pick up another and maybe even up the dosage to 6ml

    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    How are the pumps? I assume good?
    Surprisingly not too different from before (Still using 1g agmatine, 6g cit malate and 2 servings of assault). TBH I dont think the pumps could get much better, lol

  20. If you decided to pick up a bottle let me know I got a coupon for u


  21. Quote Originally Posted by AndrewNico View Post
    Yeah, if it does kick in this week, I'll definitely pick up another and maybe even up the dosage to 6ml



    Surprisingly not too different from before (Still using 1g agmatine, 6g cit malate and 2 servings of assault). TBH I dont think the pumps could get much better, lol
    I can imagine the pump has got to be good on those supps.
    I never really gave agmatine a fair go, you find it usefull for anything other then pumps?
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    If you decided to pick up a bottle let me know I got a coupon for u
    sounds good, I'll let you know whenever I figure it out myself, haha


    Alright, today was chest power day. Ive been getting up earlier and earlier each day to get me ready for my 5.45 wake up tomorrow morning, so today was 6.15. Was pretty slugish till I packed up and went off to the gym.

    * Flat Bench Press
    bar x15, bar x15, 135x8, 185x5, 225x5, 235x4 30s rest 235x1, 235x4 20s rest, 235x1, 225x5 drop 135x10 (pause reps)
    * Incline Nautilus Chest Press (plate loaded)
    90x8, 180x8, 270x6, 270x6
    * Flat/Decline Cable Flys
    55x10, 70x10, 70x10, 70x10
    * Flat Nautilus Chest press (plate loaded)
    90x8, 180x8, 230x8 drop 90x10
    * Flat dB Flys
    50x8, 60x8, 60x8


    Didnt realize till just now how much I neglected my upper chest (fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu), oh well I'll get it back in a few days.
    Strength has pretty well remained the same (small increase from last week) . . . wouldve probably cranked out some more if random people didnt run over to spot me every time I looked like I was 'struggling'. Freakin throws me off every time someone puts their hands randomly under the bar. Oh well.

    Diet unfortunately has not been where I would like it to be the past 2 days. I just went food shopping today so everything will be good this coming week . Now, its not that my diet has been crap, I have kept my cals to 2500 and my protein intake the same, but the quality of food was a bit less (i.e. muffins, 4 milano cookies for carbs&fat yesterday). I hear 'a calorie is a calorie' but the way I feel today is reason enough to not eat stuff like that again (stomach & gastrointestinal issues)

    But! That's all behind me now. Some things never change . . .

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  24. Great day strength wise for my triceps. heavy arms day today

    * Close Grip Bench Press (Hammer grip bar)
    bar x15, bar x15, 135x8, 185x5, 205x3, 220x3 => felt good, going up to 2 plates next week

    * Flat Skull Crushers (ez curl bar)
    65x5, 95x5, 105x4 drop 85x5, 95x5

    * Vbar tricep pushdowns (very different weight stack)
    75x5, 85x5, 85x5 drop 65x5 drop 55x5 drop 45x5
    * Standing Ez-bar curls
    65x5, 85x5, 105x5, 125x4 drop 105x5

    * Seated dB curls (supinating from hammer at bottom to bicep curls on top)
    50x5, 60x5, 60x5, 60x5

    * Lying bicep curls on seated row machine
    70x8, 70x8, 60x8, 60x8, 50x8, 50x8, 40x10

    Snapped this just a few minutes ago when I got back.



    Feeling BIG!


    Honestly, I hoped the strength aspect wouldve been better than this. 2 weeks are pretty much done and I haven't really gotten much other than some nice endurance 1 week ago. We'll see how this week turns out.
  25. Ugh . . .


    So, today at around 2.30pm (an hour before I am supposed to get off work), my mentor grabs me and takes me to a conference room to discuss some stuff. I was about to eat my preworkout meal, but I thought, eh I can wait till he finishes.

    Got out of the room at 4pm. I was pretty pissed, didnt want to eat and train immediately after, and I sure as hell didnt want to wait till 6 to train so I took 2 servings of maniac (had 2 sample packs with me) and hit the gym fasted. I hate working out fasted and today reminded me why. Not a bad day at all, energy levels were just shot.


    • Lower Body Power Exercise speed work: Squats
      bar x8, bar x8, 135x8, 225x3x6 => felt more explosive than usual today
    • Hypertrophy pressing movement: Front Squats
      135x8, 185x8, 205x6 => pretty much to failure
    • Hypertrophy extension movement: Leg extensions
      125x15, 180x15, 180x15
    • Hypertrophy curling movement: Lying leg curls
      95x15x3
    • Hypertrophy calf movement: Seated calf raises (plate loaded)
      135x13, 135x13, 90x13, 90x13, 90x15

    Was a really quick workout (about an hour), I knew I had to get back to my hotel and make rice and chicken. good news is that I found out the place Im staying has a working bbq right outside . . . grilled my chicken and was sooooo happy . Thinking about dropping by sams club and just picking up a whole ****load of chop meat from the freezer and just grilling it all.

    I have also had to alter my dosing schedule, and for the past two days Ive been doing 2ml at 6.15am, 1ml at 4pm, 1ml at 9.30pm. Definitely not optimal but I dont know what security would do if I tried bringing that stuff into work

    Not sure if Im going to do an off day or shoulders&back tomorrow. As long as I leave work when Im supposed to I'll make it to the gym and kill it.



    I should mention that Im still maintaining a low %bf at 2500 cal but I can feel that I wont be able to keep my cals this low for very long . . . my body is craving for bulking season to get into full swing, haha.


    edit: maybe not on the chop meat . . . even the 85/15 sirloin has 24g fat, 29g pro, 330 cal

  26. great updates here.I agree on the olive garden when you have been to a real Italian restaurant its almost like going to taco bell trying to get real Mexican food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewNico View Post
    Honestly, I hoped the strength aspect wouldve been better than this. 2 weeks are pretty much done and I haven't really gotten much other than some nice endurance 1 week ago. We'll see how this week turns out.
    I'm not quite as far aslong as you are in the cycle, but i'm not noticing significant strength gains either. But what I am seeing is lowered fatigue on muscles, i'm adding reps and/or an additional set even at the same weights. First set the effort feels the same as before but I can power through for longer on later sets.
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  28. I decided to go heavy on my shoulders today for my initial presses. Finally got word from the company handling my relocation and I will be getting some reimbursements which is a big relief for me financially.

    * Power shoulder movement: Standing Military Press
    bar x15, 95x5, 135x4, 135x4, 135x3 => blah, freakin weak. also my shoulders were grinding (I guess?) when I was going through the motions . . . i dunno

    * Pulling Power Exercise: Bent over BB rows
    135x10, 225x5, 245x5, 245x5 drop 225x3 drop 135x10 => grip is most of my limiting factor here

    * Hypertrophy shoulder pressing movement: Nautilus Shoulder Press (plate loaded, weight/side)
    45x8, 90x8, 100x5 drop 90x3 drop 45x8 => got some imbalances coming through, right side is weak

    * Hypertrophy lat movement: Lat Pulldowns
    120x8, 200x8, 220x8, 220x8 drop 170x8 drop 120x8

    * Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Seated dB lateral raises
    30x10, 35x8, 40x8 drop 30x8

    * Hypertrophy pulling movement: Yates Pulls (seated row with lat pulldown bar)
    120x10, 150x10, 170x8, 170x8 drop 120x8

    * Hypertrophy shoulder movement: Arnold dB Presses
    50x8, 55x8, 55x8

    * Finishing Death SuperSet: Bent over rear delt dB flys // Front lateral dB raises
    20x10 // 35x5, 20x10 // 25x6, 20x10 // 25x10


    So, while my strength took a little hit today, I gotta say my delts were pumped up. It wasnt even like the end of the workout pumped up (although that happened as well), my delts were huge after my 1st warm up set with my military's. I had to stop for a second and be like, whoa, I havent even started my workout yet lol.

    Unfortunately, my bottle of 5aOHP is getting kind of low . . . low to the point where it is becoming difficult to get the stuff out . All my fault obviously because I broke the blue cap and got the metered dropper stuck and ended up tossing it, but annoying none the less. Might be enough of a reason to get a second bottle all together, lol.

  29. So today was hypertrophy chest and arms. felt good, also some nice strength increases.



    * Strength/Endurance Test Exercise: Flat dumbbell presses
    60x8, 70x8, 80x8, 95x8 => where I was before my cals got too low, but still not as easy as before

    * Pressing Power Exercise speed work: Flat bench press (pause reps)
    bar x10, 135x5, 185x3x6

    * Hypertrophy pressing movement: Incline dumbbell presses (30s rest in between)
    75x8, 75x8, 75x8 => more than I was doing before, PR I guess, lol

    * Hypertrophy pressing movement: Nautilus chest press (plate loaded)
    90x15x3 => 30s rest in between

    * Hypertrophy curling exercise: Ez-curl bar preacher curls
    65x8, 75x8, 80x8 => more than last week, not a fan of the preacher bench here though

    * Hypertrophy curling exercise: dB curls on incline bench
    30x15, 25x15, 25x15

    * Hypertrophy curling exercise: Dumbbell concentration curls
    30x13, 25x13, 25x13

    * Hypertrophy extension exercise: Seated overhead tricep extension with Ez-curl bar
    75x8, 85x8, 80x8 => much better than last week

    * Hypertrophy extension exercise: Cable pressdowns with rope attachment
    60x13, 70x13, 70x13 => different weight stack from last week, no real change

    * Hypertrophy extension exercise: Cable kickbacks
    10x15, 10x15, 10x15, 10x15


    So, I got some strength gains from last week, nothing big though . . . could easily be contributed to my training.

    Still waiting for some gainz . . . but it looks like they may not come



    I have been noticing an very sharp increase in my hunger. I havent increased my cals at all, but I can tell that Im starving during the day. Good thing saturday is cheat day (ihop, workout, all you can eat sushi for dinner )
    ^^ The sushi is apparently very fresh and good quality. I havent been to this place, but it's reputation warrants a visit. for 20$, eh, cant really go wrong.

  30. hunger is def a good sign
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