man lemme tell you, this stuff has been GREAT! haha, i 4 troughout the day on workout day, and 2 on non workout days. i stack this with monstermass, creatine mono, and bcaa. i just started the creatine 2 days ago so iknow i havent gotten bigger from that. but this hica max has exploaded my strength! and my mass has increased a ****load. im pretty damn big now. best stuff ive used in awhile! im hoping to become a rep for labrada so i can give out discounted and free jugs of this stuff! everybody needs to try it. it really has worked great.