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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Maybe your injury is down to bad karma.

    If you want you can send me some money via paypal and all will be resolved.
    Are you the Karma Police...
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I am just some sort of hyper-responder to this diet. To the point that it's freaking me out a bit... I mean it's easily changed me from and endo to a meso with less effort than I have ever used on any eating protocol. I'm leaner harder dryer (some of that is supps). This is the look I have been going for all my life and frankly I have pretty much already achieved it. Now I just want to see how far I can push it... man no extra cardio and I get to stuff my face!! You should have seen the look on the faces of people who were watching me chow down this weekend lol then I would say to them "Yah and I will continue to get leaner". They couldn't get their head around it. I did a lean bulk and gained 8 lbs in 4.5 weeks so I know it works that way too. Now it has always been easy for me to bulk up but now I can do it and lose a bit of fat while I do it leaving me bigger in the long run.
    You definitely are a hyper responder, and your results show it Doug. It's finding what's right for you and maintaining it that's important IMO. I'm all in favor of trying new stuff out, it's the spice of life after all, and it teaches us more about ourselves!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    I'd say honestly my results have not been as stellar as Doug or Chris on LeanGains. I believe you could attribute most progress to diet control versus timing and LG. Personally, I can manipulate my calories during the day and clean up things here and there to cut, or add in oats and I add weight (something about me and oats!). I wouldn't say I've had TONS more freedom than what I typically do.

    On the other hand, I've remained relatively lean and added muscle strength back after my last severe cut. I wouldn't say my bf% has magically gone down just through LG, or that I've miraculously built muscle/recomp. I think it's following the normal pattern of managed nutrition and exercise.

    Honestly, I will likely drop LG at the end of this in favor of my normal eating patterns. Missing morning meals really sucks on workout days, and my wife notices I'm more irritable/testy/on-edge when I don't eat in the morning.

    In my opinion, LeanGains is a way for people to control the amount of calories they take in, I feel it's really kinda hard to get enough calories to bulk on LG. With meals spread throughout the day, it's a lot easier for calories here and there to add up without people realizing it. With LG, you get a much shorter period of time and thus more controlled intake of calories.

    I've learned some things from it, but there are some tried and true methods out there that can be just as effective as another. It's really up to what works for you and what can you maintain control over. There's no "miracle diet" IMO, it's calories in vs. calories out and the macro/micro nutrients that go with it, and some slight play in timing (mainly around workouts).

    So, long story short is that it CAN work but it doesn't fit my preference or lifestyle, and my progress has been nothing out of the ordinary. IMO if you have something that works for YOU, stick with it until you stop making the progress you want, and try something different.
    Same for me, overall my mental focus suffers from not eating in the morning after working out as I start work right after very depleted. And I've seen maybe slight results, but nothing earth shattering beyond what i'd expect from dietary control. Then too, I was already pretty insulin sensitive to begin with, which is one of the big helps that IF gives. And even if its maximized my GH output, it may be that my maximal output isn't that much more than my normal and is still low...

  4. Yeah I definitely think it is all more about preference and natural inclinations. THis fits right in with how my body wants to run. I also want to try the method of having a small post workout meal in the AM then starting my feast later in the day. Kind of along the lines of Burn the Fat Build the Muscle, or the Warrior Diet for bodybuilding.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    You definitely are a hyper responder, and your results show it Doug. It's finding what's right for you and maintaining it that's important IMO. I'm all in favor of trying new stuff out, it's the spice of life after all, and it teaches us more about ourselves!
    Yah I am pretty happy about the way things are going. I know this works best for people like me, who a) don't need to eat frequently b) like to eat till they're very full and c) gain very easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Same for me, overall my mental focus suffers from not eating in the morning after working out as I start work right after very depleted. And I've seen maybe slight results, but nothing earth shattering beyond what i'd expect from dietary control. Then too, I was already pretty insulin sensitive to begin with, which is one of the big helps that IF gives. And even if its maximized my GH output, it may be that my maximal output isn't that much more than my normal and is still low...
    My mental focus has improved by a fair margin not so much at first but as time goes on I am much more alert. It's actually when I eat I get more drowsy. Again as far bulking goes I gain easily and it does not require a large calorie surplus. I can easily do 4000 if need be all that aside and still I think that is probably too high for me anyway so no problems in that department.
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  6. Day 24: 7/21 Chest/Hamstring

    1.5 Scoops Modern BCAA
    1 Scoop Maximize V2
    1 cap AnaBeta

    Good Mornings
    155 x 10 (5 sets)

    Seated Leg Curls
    130 x 12
    150 x 12
    170 x 12
    190 x 10
    210 x 8

    GHR
    bw x 10 (5 sets)

    Dips
    bw x 15
    +25 x 15
    +45 x 15
    +70 x 15
    +90 x 10
    +115 x 5
    +115 x 5

    High Cable Cross Over
    25 x 12 (5 sets)

    Low Calbe Cross Over
    25 x 12 (5 sets)


    Put this in by memory, so numbers may be a bit off. Overall good effort on hamstrings and chest (at least what I can do). I tried neutral grip DB presses, but still put too much pressure on my shoulder. I want to be more recovered before I try anything that really bothers my shoulder.
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  7. Day 25-27: off

    Took some time off, slept in on Friday and skipped arms/shoulder day. I was up late and didn't want to sacrifice rest for arms/shoulders when I've done bis/tris already, and my shoulder is still recovering.

    Day 27 I didn't eat until 6PM, then went to Texas de Brazil and GORGED myself on endless piles of meat and potatoes!!! I took 1 cap AnaBeta before dinner and 3 caps during dinner. When I got home I LITERALLY passed out. I didn't help my wife with ANYTHING, like helping put our son to be. She said it was the last time she does a date night with me, LOL! I topped it all off with homemade banana bread and a greens/probiotic drink, SERIOUS food coma! I woke back up around 12:30AM and took care of some business, took another cap of AnaBeta, and went back to bed. Now THAT'S an anabolic meal!
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  8. Day 28: 7/25 Chest/Tris

    1.5 Scoops Modern BCAA
    1 Scoop Maximize V2
    1 cap AnaBeta

    Dips
    bw x 15
    +25 x 15
    +45 x 15
    +70 x 15
    +90 x 12
    +115 x 6 (rest pause x 3)
    +90 x 8 (rest pause x 4)

    Incline Bench Cable Fly ss w/ Flat Bench Cable Fly ss w/ Rope Press Down
    22.5 x 12 / 22.5 x 12 / 60 x 12
    25 x 12 / 25 x 12 / 60 x 12
    27.5 x 12 / 27.5 x 12 / 60 x 12
    30 x 12 / 30 x 12 / 60 x 12
    30 x 12 / 30 x 12 / 60 x 12

    Low Pulley Cable Cross-Over ss w/ Pushups (decline/flat/incline) ss w/ Overhead Cable Tricep Extension
    20 x 12 / 10x10x10 / 35 x 12
    25 x 12 / 10x8x8 / 40 x 12
    27.5 x 12 / 8x6x6 / 45 x 12
    30 x 10 / 6x5x5 / 50 x 12
    35 x 8 / 5x5x5 / 55 x 12


    Chest was dead after this, it was really taxing on the supersets. I'm really hoping with my time off from bench that I'll improve my inner, outer, and lower pec definition with all the dips and flys. I'm not expecting as much mass, but hoping for more crisp lines and maybe some power in lagging areas. We'll see, I've never done this before...

    Triceps are getting a good workout too, doing a few different exercises. I felt it a lot more in my triceps today on dips, so I guess my chest is getting stronger on them and my triceps aren't keeping up? I try to lean forward a lot when doing dips to put more emphasis on chest, but maybe not enough today? Regardless, I like loading up the dip belt and going at it!

    I took some update pics yesterday too, and measurements this morning. I'll be posting results soon...
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  9. Results after 1st bottle:

    weight: 200 --> 204 (+ or - 2lbs)

    Measurements (cold and unflexed):

    Chest: 42.5" --> 43" (+0.5")
    Arms: 14.5" --> 14.6" (+0.1")
    Forearms: 12.5"
    Waist: 34.5" --> 34.5" (same)
    Neck: 15"
    Left Leg: 23" --> 24" (+1")
    Right Leg: 24" --> 25" (+1")
    Left Calf: 15.5" --> 15.75" (+0.25")
    Right Calf: 16" --> 16.5" (+0.5")


    So the biggest improvement was in legs, which is right where I wanted it, and you'll notice it in the pictures when I load them. Also good improvement in chest given my situation with an injured shoulder preventing me from benching.

    My wife noticed it really in my legs and shoulders. Arms didn't grow much, it was between 14.5" and 14.75" this time, so small improvement, but my arms RARELY grow much. I may need to put more emphasis on them...

    I'm still disproportionate in my lower body, I'm going to have to step up my isolateral work to get my left caught up. Either that or I can look like the dude from "Lady in the Water" who only worked the one side of his body for the lulz... NAH!

    So, from here, I'm looking forward to seeing what a 2nd bottle of AnaBeta will do! I might even extend out and add a 3rd bottle depending on how things are progressing!!! So far, I'd compare my time on AnaBeta to that of a low-dosed mild prohormone, like Bold or 1-Andro. Both work best 6-8 weeks, so I'm interested to see where I'll be at those points in time, but progress is on track...
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  10. "Isolateral"? Two can play this game!

    Great update. A quarter of an inch on arms is awesome. This is what I got on my run as well.

    Love the detailed feedback. I would rep you for being meticulous but it doesn't have the feature on my phone.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    "Isolateral"? Two can play this game!

    Great update. A quarter of an inch on arms is awesome. This is what I got on my run as well.

    Love the detailed feedback. I would rep you for being meticulous but it doesn't have the feature on my phone.
    You could always just neg me for being a bloody Yank'!

    Sounds like we are quite "similar" in many ways...
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  12. I would never be racist. Even when you lot gang up on me.

    Keep up the good work my man, great log. I might start negging people who don't supply lots of detail in their reviews in hope of making everyone step their games up!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I would never be racist. Even when you lot gang up on me.

    Keep up the good work my man, great log. I might start negging people who don't supply lots of detail in their reviews in hope of making everyone step their games up!
    American is a race now??? Is it because we speak American? I'm not racist either, I just don't like stupid people of any ethnicity!

    All good fun, chap! I hope you take no offense at my digs to you, they are all said in good jest since I know you can take it (and dish it out)!
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    I'm still disproportionate in my lower body, I'm going to have to step up my isolateral work to get my left caught up. Either that or I can look like the dude from "Lady in the Water" who only worked the one side of his body for the lulz... NAH!
    Funny that you say that because when someone posted one time about being disproportionate I searched high and low for a good picture or video of that and could not find one to save my life, I remember when I first saw that movie I was like Whoa, how did they do that, LoL!
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  15. Ask and though shall receive, found it...

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Results after 1st bottle:

    weight: 200 --> 204 (+ or - 2lbs)

    Measurements (cold and unflexed):

    Chest: 42.5" --> 43" (+0.5")
    Arms: 14.5" --> 14.6" (+0.1")
    Forearms: 12.5"
    Waist: 34.5" --> 34.5" (same)
    Neck: 15"
    Left Leg: 23" --> 24" (+1")
    Right Leg: 24" --> 25" (+1")
    Left Calf: 15.5" --> 15.75" (+0.25")
    Right Calf: 16" --> 16.5" (+0.5")


    So the biggest improvement was in legs, which is right where I wanted it, and you'll notice it in the pictures when I load them. Also good improvement in chest given my situation with an injured shoulder preventing me from benching.

    My wife noticed it really in my legs and shoulders. Arms didn't grow much, it was between 14.5" and 14.75" this time, so small improvement, but my arms RARELY grow much. I may need to put more emphasis on them...

    I'm still disproportionate in my lower body, I'm going to have to step up my isolateral work to get my left caught up. Either that or I can look like the dude from "Lady in the Water" who only worked the one side of his body for the lulz... NAH!

    So, from here, I'm looking forward to seeing what a 2nd bottle of AnaBeta will do! I might even extend out and add a 3rd bottle depending on how things are progressing!!! So far, I'd compare my time on AnaBeta to that of a low-dosed mild prohormone, like Bold or 1-Andro. Both work best 6-8 weeks, so I'm interested to see where I'll be at those points in time, but progress is on track...
    Not bad!

  17. This week's Trivia will take place today... Monday, July 25th at 3:00pm Eastern Standard time!
    REDEFINE NUTRITON Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Trivia...

    (posted for ScottyDoc)
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    This week's Trivia will take place today... Monday, July 25th at 3:00pm Eastern Standard time!
    REDEFINE NUTRITON Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Trivia...

    (posted for ScottyDoc)
    Thanks Bro, I never post it on someone else's thread unless they have given me permission, so thank you, I appreciate that!
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  19. Permission granted.

    As a 2 time previous winner, I owe it to you! Plus at some point I need a challenger... LOL!
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Permission granted.

    As a 2 time previous winner, I owe it to you! Plus at some point I need a challenger... LOL!
    LoL... hear ye... hear ye, calling all challengers, come put your trivia knowledge to the test and challenge the MASTER!!!
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    LoL... hear ye... hear ye, calling all challengers, come put your trivia knowledge to the test and challenge the MASTER!!!
    LOL, I'm only the Master at Baiting...
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  22. Day 29: 7/26 off due to travel

    Day 30: 7/27 Quads

    1.5 Scoops Modern BCAA
    1 Scoop Maximize V2
    1 cap AnaBeta

    Squats
    135 x 10
    225 x 10
    315 x 10
    365 x 5
    385 x 3
    405 x 2
    315 x 10
    335 x 9

    Leg Press / Calf Press supersets
    450 x 10
    540 x 10
    630 x 10
    720 x 5
    810 x 3

    Left Leg/Calf Only Press superset
    180 x 10
    230 x 10
    270 x 10


    I started off late, and only got 4.5hrs of sleep, but damn did those squats feel GOOD!!! The 315 is easy to bust out 10 straight now, quite a feat when I was struggling for 5 reps when I started. 405 was my PR on box squats, however I didn't go low enough for my liking, so I'm not counting it as a PR yet. Next week I should be ready to do it though!

    Leg press I was just too gassed from the squats to put up much weight. I did some extra work for my left leg, I don't know how I'm going to bring it up a whole inch though relative to my right leg! Synthol? LOL!

    Really though, great leg workout just for the squats, I'm really making significant improvements while on AnaBeta.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    LOL, I'm only the Master at Baiting...
    I too am a master of baiting! Tons of hands on experience!

    Honestly the dips are a superior chest exercise to flat bench. You may need to go a tiny bit wider if you aren't feeling much in the chest. Should really bring up the lip under your chest as well is make the lower inside portion of your chest thicker which once defined will make the difference between your torso and chest that much more severe. Hell of a workout and impressive gains. Getting a 1/4 inch on arms for someone whose arms don't like to grow is awesome I know because it is hard for me to put any more size on my arms.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I too am a master of baiting! Tons of hands on experience!

    Honestly the dips are a superior chest exercise to flat bench. You may need to go a tiny bit wider if you aren't feeling much in the chest. Should really bring up the lip under your chest as well is make the lower inside portion of your chest thicker which once defined will make the difference between your torso and chest that much more severe. Hell of a workout and impressive gains. Getting a 1/4 inch on arms for someone whose arms don't like to grow is awesome I know because it is hard for me to put any more size on my arms.
    LOL, I'd give you a high five, but, uhhhhh, well...

    I am liking the dips, they're working pretty well, though it's just a macho/ego thing about benching that I want to be hitting 300+ (350 really) for reps as a goal. No reason why, I just do... But yeah, the dips should really help bring up some of my neglected areas in my chest, so not a bad thing, though I feel my WHOLE chest needs development!
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    LOL, I'd give you a high five, but, uhhhhh, well...

    I am liking the dips, they're working pretty well, though it's just a macho/ego thing about benching that I want to be hitting 300+ (350 really) for reps as a goal. No reason why, I just do... But yeah, the dips should really help bring up some of my neglected areas in my chest, so not a bad thing, though I feel my WHOLE chest needs development!
    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Day 28: 7/25 Chest/Tris

    Dips
    bw x 15
    +25 x 15
    +45 x 15
    +70 x 15
    +90 x 12
    +115 x 6 (rest pause x 3) + your body weight of 202 = 317 for reps!
    +90 x 8 (rest pause x 4)
    You are forgetting to add your body weight to those dips brother. You are repping with over 300lbs.
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