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  1. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i agree about the skelly.....also look into something called wobenzyme n.
    This^^^
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Oh haha... They fooled me into thinking you were getting test.

    I'm thinking, Kleen going to the darkside???? Noooo way!
    I think it was 91-92 when I gave them a shot. Worked well of course but no PCT and I got into a car wreck right after couldn't train for about a year and lost everything. Have other reasons not to now. One of them is only 7 and needs her Daddy living at home.

    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    This^^^
    Thanks AZ, will have to check it out for sure since both of you are giving it the thumbs up.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I think it was 91-92 when I gave them a shot. Worked well of course but no PCT and I got into a car wreck right after couldn't train for about a year and lost everything. Have other reasons not to now. One of them is only 7 and needs her Daddy living at home.
    And a brother in law that would be pissed should anything happen. Not to mention i got back in the game because of him and want to complete my mission being all natty with him. He has come so far in his own right. And watching his progress is extremely motivational to someone like me. Even with a small set back like this.

  4. Sorry brother just had to clear my mind. Delete if you wish..

  5. So you guys have tried this Wobenzym? I just read up on it and it looks awesome but it is also expensive did you have to take 10 pills 3 times a day to get results? It says something along those lines for arthritic inflammation. At 30 a day an 800 count bottle won't last a month and it is over 100 bucks. Just curious what you guys experience was.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Onlychevy6 View Post
    And a brother in law that would be pissed should anything happen. Not to mention i got back in the game because of him and want to complete my mission being all natty with him. He has come so far in his own right. And watching his progress is extremely motivational to someone like me. Even with a small set back like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Onlychevy6 View Post
    Sorry brother just had to clear my mind. Delete if you wish..
    No need to delete. You just paid me a compliment. Thanks Bro!

    Okay I am going to try to go to bed now...
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    So you guys have tried this Wobenzym? I just read up on it and it looks awesome but it is also expensive did you have to take 10 pills 3 times a day to get results? It says something along those lines for arthritic inflammation. At 30 a day an 800 count bottle won't last a month and it is over 100 bucks. Just curious what you guys experience was.
    I was seeing results with 12 ed, but I only need 400mg of Advil to get relief from other aches and pains so take that as you may.
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  8. In way late but i'm always in for a good Kleen log!
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  9. Lower Body Day


    Today marks the 2 week point and I just upped my dose to 5 caps a day. I took 3 this morning and will take 2 later. Scotty, what is the half life of the 1-Andro? As my dose increases I want to play into the half life of the product as well so that info would be great to have. Oh yeah started taking my PURE TEST last night. Hopefully it invogorates the testes.

    Todays lift went well, it was a lower body day and I replaced my deads with a widow maker on squats.

    5 min Elliptical
    Leg Press 315x12, 585x8, 855x12, 865x12 - up another 10 lbs here, was not hard compared to last time.
    Squats - 135x12, 225x20 - Considering it has been a while since I tried a Widow Maker on Squats I am satisfied with this effort.
    Calve press - 270x12, 330x12 - just maintaining.
    Leg Abductions - 90x15, 110x15 - Working the uter hip to avoid imbalances. The adductors get hit with all leg pressing / squating movements but the abductors pretty much need direct training.
    Roman Chair Hangs - 90 seconds, 90 seconds - Feels so good to feel the blood filling in the decompressed areas of the spine.



    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    I was seeing results with 12 ed, but I only need 400mg of Advil to get relief from other aches and pains so take that as you may.
    I think the 400 for pains is typical, but my ortho told me that 400 makes the pain go away and 800 will stop inflammation. That it takes a higher dose to do it than just what is needed to releive the pain. How long did you take it for to achieve results and did it heal the problem as opposed to just treating the pain or did it return after? Looking at that 800 count bottle and could get almost 2 months out of one at 15 a day. Did you just take one bottle?


    Quote Originally Posted by punthra View Post
    In way late but i'm always in for a good Kleen log!
    Punthra, glad you are here man!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    The skelly balm works wonders. Been using that on my left knee, which was giving me wicked pain when I do squats. Been applying skelly for 2 weeks now pre workout/post w/o and before bed and today my knee was fine during squats. Was very happy about that!

    Kleen - Did you say you'll be going on Test? How much?
    I have some of this and I know Kleen does to. It is helping my ailing left shoulder from hurting all the time though it is not solving the problem since it is tendon/muscle related more than anything. As far as a joint supplement is concerned, it is as effective I have found and I don't have to take another 6 pills a days. For acute joint issues, I will say it is the best I have used and blows blue emu out of the water (which I used to use a lot). My only beef with topicals is I have to time the applications such as after morning shower, after post workout shower and before bed. I am lucky to get 2 out of 3 where as I will most often take the pills with more consistency as I have others to take at the same time.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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  11. I stretched my bottle out to 2 months by starting high and tapering as the problem decreased. Mine was a hematoma near my hip from a road cycling mishap. Chronic problems could be another story though.
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  12. KLEEN... I read some reviews on that wobenzym n. and I didn't see one single review that had anything super positive to say about it? I saw a few saying it elevated the BP (blood pressure), experiencing fatigue, malaise, intestinal cramping, & diarrhea! I found all this information on their website! http://www.wobenzymn.org/wobenzym-n-review/
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  13. Keep killing it Kleen!! How are you splitting doses right now? 8 hrs apart?
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Scotty, what is the half life of the 1-Andro? As my dose increases I want to play into the half life of the product as well so that info would be great to have.
    I agree, that would be great information to know, I honestly do not know! The owners are currently in China and will return Tuesday, I will ask them, if anyone would know, it would be them and I'm sure they can at least find out, if they don't know, they will probably just ask Patrick Arnold, they have him on retainer for such questions. So as always I'll do my best to get you that info as quick as I can!

    As what I would do and have always done with 1-Andro is try my best to space it out like RickRock13 said, space my doses as evenly as possible every 8hrs... (1 dose in morning as soon as I wake, 1 dose around mid day, and 1 dose in the evening before bed) I mean there aren't any stimulants in it that could mess with your sleep so why not keep the dose as constant as possible in your body all throughout the day and night, that is my opinion on it anyway!
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  15. Well just depends on your goals, if trying to keep shutdown minimal keeping extra androgens lower at bedtime is more likely to keep shut down at bay longer. Many people actually run things like D-Bol taking only in the morning to avoid shutdown. I read about it in one of the anabolics books floating around.

    On another note, I am looking much better now, cleaned up pretty good and am up about 2-3 lbs, about same bodyfat as the beginning of this run. I will let you know the exact weight and BF tomorrow. On another note, I just now realized what has been wrong with me the past 2 days. I have just been a little blah, and unmotivated but once I get started on a workout all the intensity shows up. I am guessing it could be the lethargy that is mentioned a lot in some of the logs with 1-Andro. Either way I plan to manscape a bit today and take some pics tomorrow. Not sure if the extra weight will be noticeable in the pics but as long as I am showing as lean as before I am pleased with a 2-3 lb gain in 2 weeks on the second half of a bridge.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well just depends on your goals, if trying to keep shutdown minimal keeping extra androgens lower at bedtime is more likely to keep shut down at bay longer. Many people actually run things like D-Bol taking only in the morning to avoid shutdown. I read about it in one of the anabolics books floating around.
    Do you have any more information on this and the science or theory behind it, very interesting?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    On another note, I am looking much better now, cleaned up pretty good and am up about 2-3 lbs, about same bodyfat as the beginning of this run. I will let you know the exact weight and BF tomorrow. On another note, I just now realized what has been wrong with me the past 2 days. I have just been a little blah, and unmotivated but once I get started on a workout all the intensity shows up. I am guessing it could be the lethargy that is mentioned a lot in some of the logs with 1-Andro. Either way I plan to manscape a bit today and take some pics tomorrow. Not sure if the extra weight will be noticeable in the pics but as long as I am showing as lean as before I am pleased with a 2-3 lb gain in 2 weeks on the second half of a bridge.
    Yes, unfortunately lethargy can be noted with taking 1-ANDRO, Hmmm would probably make a good argument to stack some PRO XANTHINE with it, to combat the lethargy and help burn a few extra calories and curb appetite, Hmmm Thanks for the idea!
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  17. Well it has been several years but the idea is that night time is when the body checks it's levels to create more testosterone, if androgen levels are still to high then the body does not send the signal to produce more testosterone. The orals with their shorter half life are used in the mornings, too even early afternoon but have already been used up before the body does it's checks and balances to see how much testosterone it needs to produce. I will run a quick search to see if I can find it. Others who run anabolics regularly have concurred this practice is legit, or at least thought to be.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well it has been several years but the idea is that night time is when the body checks it's levels to create more testosterone, if androgen levels are still to high then the body does not send the signal to produce more testosterone. The orals with their shorter half life are used in the mornings, too even early afternoon but have already been used up before the body does it's checks and balances to see how much testosterone it needs to produce. I will run a quick search to see if I can find it. Others who run anabolics regularly have concurred this practice is legit, or at least thought to be.
    Yeah, that's the "theory" mainly used by Dr. D and his PH/DS pulsing approach. There's a huge thread on it somewhere on AM.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well it has been several years but the idea is that night time is when the body checks it's levels to create more testosterone, if androgen levels are still to high then the body does not send the signal to produce more testosterone. The orals with their shorter half life are used in the mornings, too even early afternoon but have already been used up before the body does it's checks and balances to see how much testosterone it needs to produce. I will run a quick search to see if I can find it. Others who run anabolics regularly have concurred this practice is legit, or at least thought to be.
    plus the fact than many ph's tend to interfere with sleep if taken too close to bedtime.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  20. Here is a thread discussing it, it came from Bill Philips Anabolics book way back in early 90's. I don't have the book anymore. It was called a burst cycle I think. Now these are older posts so some of the stuff the other guys ention is a little questionable but the bottom line is that the body checks for t levels at night and then begins production for what is needed. If to high no test is needed. If low enough it signals to produce test.

    http://sourceauthority.net/index.php...y-on-the-hpta/

    http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/stero...134224208.html

    http://forums.steroid.com/archive/in.../t-95244.html?
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Here is a thread discussing it, it came from Bill Philips Anabolics book way back in early 90's. I don't have the book anymore. It was called a burst cycle I think. Now these are older posts so some of the stuff the other guys ention is a little questionable but the bottom line is that the body checks for t levels at night and then begins production for what is needed. If to high no test is needed. If low enough it signals to produce test.

    http://sourceauthority.net/index.php...y-on-the-hpta/

    http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/stero...134224208.html

    http://forums.steroid.com/archive/in.../t-95244.html?
    Awesome, U da Man, Thanx!
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    Looking forward to those new pics, Kleen! Up 2-3 lbs at the same bodyfat is awesome; especially with as lean as you already are.

    I just wanted to share that I went ahead and made the Layne Norton cheesecake last night, except I doubled it (because I bout a 9" cake pan instead of a 9" pie pan for some reason lol) and added in 4 scoops of vanilla Isology for a total of 432g protein in my cake lol.

    Tasted it today and it tastes really good; tastes best with some natty pb and light cool whip on top, but MAN is it filling for as little calories as it has.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    plus the fact than many ph's tend to interfere with sleep if taken too close to bedtime.
    Agreed. Back in 20089 when i did 14ad I found out you cant take it before bed or it caused sleep interruptions.
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  24. 1-Andro 2 Week Review


    1-Andro 2 Week Review

    So I am really enjoying the 1 -Andro so far I am up 2.5 lbs and my bodyfat is exactly the same as when I started. I have definitely taken some liberties with food choices and this is pretty nice. My caliper measurements were exactly the same this morning as the day I started and I will take it.

    So I will give my opinions here on a few key points.

    Aggression - Honestly the aggression has waned a bit.

    Attitude – I still have alpha male attitude and can be quick to be assertive. In good mood most of the time.

    Libido – I was kind of slowing again and then the PURE TEST has brought it back more.

    Strength– Honestly Strength is really up. I have to try to keep it not too heavy for my joints because things are going up easy. Today first time in a long time maybe even since my surgery I did Barbell Incline, and I stepped it up to 185 for 12 slow reps and could have 15-20 if I really pushed. On my legs I have been able to continue to push and I projected dropping from 10 lb jumps to 5 lb jumps aclose to the end of my progestin run. I had even had to slow it down then, but now I am hopping 10 lbs at a tme a gain and it is almost too easy.

    Composition – I would call it neutral, I think this will react to what you give it. Carbs seem to make me hold more of both water, and glycogen. If I was going for mass and kept eating 4-5 lbs would have been easy.

    Mass Gains – Like I said above I think if I really fed the beast I could have added 4-6 in that time but I am trying to keep the fat off. However a little over 2.5 lb LBM gain in just over 2 weeks is nothing to sneeze at.

    PUMP - I had to put this one in caps, I always have a pump. I also always want to flex and feel the contraction as it slowly tightens and loosen each muscle fiber. It is kind of a delicious feeling to flex. LOL

    Sides - So far this is an enjoyable run. I know now to just get up when feeling tired and get moving and the lethargy will drop of with activity. I have had a few more pimples. A couple flares of temper in the beginning. Can easily cause to hold water when given high amounts of carbs. My blood pressure on this and a dexaprine stays pretty steady around 121/75 and lower when not on a stimulant so no blood pressure issues for me.

    Pec 6mm
    Ab 12mm
    Thigh 6 MM.

    203 8% 186.76 LBM 16.24 FM
    205.5 8% 189.06 LBM 16.44 FM

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  25. good update....nice results!
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    Lookin great, Kleen!

    Making me think about a 1-andro run down the line myself
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    good update....nice results!
    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Lookin great, Kleen!

    Making me think about a 1-andro run down the line myself
    Thanks Gentlemen, I think the biggest difference is in my shoulders and my legs throughout the entire run from progestin to starting 1-Andro to now. I can't wait to see what the end result as I gradually clean up over the next 4 weeks hopefully still adding a little LBM and dropping fat and we will see how close we can get to a 205 and 6% by the end of the run. Wouldn't that be something.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thanks Gentlemen, I think the biggest difference is in my shoulders and my legs throughout the entire run from progestin to starting 1-Andro to now. I can't wait to see what the end result as I gradually clean up over the next 4 weeks hopefully still adding a little LBM and dropping fat and we will see how close we can get to a 205 and 6% by the end of the run. Wouldn't that be something.
    yes, 205 at 6% would indeed be something!
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  29. Amazing work Kleen! 205 at 6% would be sick!! You aren't too far from that now so its very realistic. Nice job!!
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    yes, 205 at 6% would indeed be something!
    Totally agree with the all of you on this one! Honestly Chris, with you being completely in the Zone with your body and diet, if anyone can make that happen on a good cycle of 1-ANDRO, it would be you! I honestly think you can realistically achieve this goal!
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